Is 4 starting caliber DT's too many?

[Fritz]

This is what Scott Wright said about who could be the BPA at #30 based on the depth of the draft

[Comment From Scott Wright]
Honestly, that is tough to say at this point. There should be solid value left at offensive tackle and cornerback late in round one though and a good defensive end could fall too.




Wow, this would be ideal. I'd love any of these positions. A talented DE, CB or OT would be perfect for this team.

This concept of a "value" pick has long been a mystery to me. I remember Mel Kiper calling a Packers' pick - was it Darrell Thompson? - a good "value" pick. My sense is that what this means is that a value pick is a guy with a big name who hasn't been picked yet. He may be a sucky pro, but dammit, he's a "value" pick. For example, let's say a guy like Mike Hart from Michigan is sitting around in round four. I like Mike Hart - great college player - but he's a third down back, tops, in the NFL. Yet when teams draft in the fourth round, Hart will be called a "value" pick. This although TT might draft an offensive tackle from New Mexico State of whom we've never heard but has a better chance to be a starting NFL right tackle than Hart does of being a starting running back.

So this value thing - I don't get it.

[Bretsky]

As far as CW goes, he is still not going to be worth the money we might give him in a longer deal even if he gives us a discount. I'd rather hope for Harrel and/or Jolly to send CW packing next year with their improved play than hope CW will elevate his current game. Paying CW 4-5 million a year, (what I think it takes to satisfy him and his agent, minimum), is a waste unless he all of a sudden turns into Tuck next season, I don't see that happening.

wow, have to wholeheartedly disagree with that!

7 sacks from the DT position? Not worth big dollars? Him being there allows us to generate a pass rush inside and outside is very valuable. And don't give me that stuff about him not being an every down player, not a starter, etc.

The reality is that a player of CW skill is worth that, or near to it. Throw in that he is a FA and he is easily worth that. Tuck would probably get 8 mil or so on the FA market.

How many of those seven sacks came as a result of Kamp and/or KGB getting behind the QB and flushing him right into CW? I can remember seeing CW clean up on at least a couple of sacks in this manner. CW was not bullrushing all by himself and getting 7 solo sacks on pure power. One could argue that CW was often there to clean up the mess that was made by our outside pressure. For 5-6 million a year he should be constantly generating pressure all by himself. Just being there in the area when the QB scrambles towards him is not enough.

Regardless 14 sacks from a DT in two years cannot be discounted much. There are other DT's better than CW, but this stat is quite telling that Williams is an effective pass rusher and our most effective pass rushing DT.

I actually think AK has a lot of effort sacks. It would be interesting to see, but I think most of CW's sacks were earned as opposed to from other DL flushing the QB up.

Earlier this year in JS Insider there was a nice article on how two other scouts graded out Williams and I think they considered him our best pass rushing DT and our 2nd best all around DT behind Pickett. They figured he's strike gold in free agency. It was smart IMO to franchise him.

[RashanGary]

Fritz, value as they see it (or as we see it) is often skewed.

Right now though, we don't get to peek at Thompsons board, so we have to base value off what the publications say it is.

At the end of the day, I'm going to take the assumption that Thompsons pick is far better than any of theirs. Thompson is getting quite a reputation. He was chosen at teh SR bowl to speak to all of the players before the combine began. He told them it was a buisness and to work hard like they would at any job or something like that. Anyway, for the SR Bowl to select Thompson to give that speech, they must have respect for him as a personal man.

Also, if you look at articles written by media members about draft success, Thompson is quickly rising to the forefront.

Last year the local media tore into him with as much arrogance as little queers with artsy degrees can muster. This year I have a feeling it's going to be a very different story because he'll shove their arrogance back in their face with winning records, playoff success and maybe a championship and they know it.