Favre is pissing me off!

[PackerBlues]

A couple of weeks ago while flipping through the channels on tv, I came across the NFL network re-showing the Packers vs. Giants game. Since I caught it at the start of the game, I decided to watch it............... until the first time I saw Harris get burned, and I actually found myself yelling "WTF HARRIS!!!!!!". lol, yelling at a rerun. At that point, I started flipping through the channels again, cause I just couldnt take it.

Can anyone really blame Favre for wanting to take his time to make this decision? I can only imagine how hard it must be for him to put last year behind him, and I think the guy deserves time to just relax for a while without worrying about football.

As far as Free Agents not wanting to come to GB if Favre is not here, I just do not buy into the idea. I have not seen Thompson sign a big name player in free agency yet, and that was with Favre still on the roster.

Listing in order of what a Free agent thinks when considering coming to GB:

#1 How much money will I make?

#2 Is this a team that can make the playoffs?

#3 Isn't it supposed to be cold in GB?

#4 Will I "fit in" in GB?

#5 Can I get an electric uniform?.....cause I heard it was cold in GB.

#1,051 I wonder if Brett Favre is gonna play this year.

[Patler]

Listing in order of what a Free agent thinks when considering coming to GB:

#1 How much money will I make?

#2 Is this a team that can make the playoffs?

#3 Isn't it supposed to be cold in GB?

#4 Will I "fit in" in GB?

#5 Can I get an electric uniform?.....cause I heard it was cold in GB.

#1,051 I wonder if Brett Favre is gonna play this year.

Do you really think that free agent players do not consider your reason #1,051 impacts your reason #2? I would be willing to bet that in most player's minds the two are directly related.

[The Leaper]

Do you really think that free agent players do not consider your reason #1,051 impacts your reason #2? I would be willing to bet that in most player's minds the two are directly related.

I completely agree.

If a player is wondering whether or not Green Bay is a legitimate title/playoff contender, then Favre's return certainly would weigh heavily into their decision.

This team isn't going to do shit if we have to rely on Aaron Rodgers behind that mediocre interior OL. Rodgers might be a decent QB, but only a highly experienced QB can make things happen behind the OL we currently have. Experience is something Rodgers does not have.

So, in some respect, Favre's return DOES impact Thompson...you have to think he might value bringing in a veteran interior OL player more if he knew Favre was not returning.

[PackerBlues]

Listing in order of what a Free agent thinks when considering coming to GB:

#1 How much money will I make?

#2 Is this a team that can make the playoffs?

#3 Isn't it supposed to be cold in GB?

#4 Will I "fit in" in GB?

#5 Can I get an electric uniform?.....cause I heard it was cold in GB.

#1,051 I wonder if Brett Favre is gonna play this year.

Do you really think that free agent players do not consider your reason #1,051 impacts your reason #2? I would be willing to bet that in most player's minds the two are directly related.

I am sure that you are right, but I am also sure that no free agent is going to make a decision based solely on Favre being in GB or not. It is Thompson's job to bring talent to GB. If he cannot convince a free agent that Rogers can lead this team, or that the team can win without Favre, then I would argue that Thompson is not doing his job, long before I started crying about Favre needing to make a decision right away, or before the start of Free Agency.

[Patler]

I am sure that you are right, but I am also sure that no free agent is going to make a decision based solely on Favre being in GB or not. It is Thompson's job to bring talent to GB. If he cannot convince a free agent that Rogers can lead this team, or that the team can win without Favre, then I would argue that Thompson is not doing his job, long before I started crying about Favre needing to make a decision right away, or before the start of Free Agency.

I doubt that a player looking for a shot at the Super Bowl is that analytically. It is simple in their miinds, "Do you have a proven QB to lead the team? No? I'll see you next time my contract expires!"

[Brando19]

Listing in order of what a Free agent thinks when considering coming to GB:

#1 How much money will I make?

#2 Is this a team that can make the playoffs?

#3 Isn't it supposed to be cold in GB?

#4 Will I "fit in" in GB?

#5 Can I get an electric uniform?.....cause I heard it was cold in GB.

#1,051 I wonder if Brett Favre is gonna play this year.

Do you really think that free agent players do not consider your reason #1,051 impacts your reason #2? I would be willing to bet that in most player's minds the two are directly related.

I am sure that you are right, but I am also sure that no free agent is going to make a decision based solely on Favre being in GB or not. It is Thompson's job to bring talent to GB. If he cannot convince a free agent that Rogers can lead this team, or that the team can win without Favre, then I would argue that Thompson is not doing his job, long before I started crying about Favre needing to make a decision right away, or before the start of Free Agency.

You're not making any sense. Favre being in Green Bay is HUGE in signing certain free agents...especially one's like Feneca who's older and wanting to win. Let's look at the NBA. Does anyone...ANYONE want to be traded to the Knicks? Absolutely not! What if the Knicks had a Kobe or a Shaq? Do you think that would sway their decision? Yes. The same goes for Green Bay this year. Favre needs to make up his mind. I agree he deserves time to decide. But why the hell does he tease with "I'd like to continue playing," about a month ago...then they lose the NFC Championship...then he says his decision will be quicker than last year...but it hasn't been. AHHH! It's just a little annoying as a fan.

[twoseven]

It is Thompson's job to bring talent to GB. If he cannot convince a free agent that Rogers can lead this team, or that the team can win without Favre, then I would argue that Thompson is not doing his job, long before I started crying about Favre needing to make a decision right away, or before the start of Free Agency.

How is TT supposed to convince a prospective free agent pickup that AR is good enough (to pick up right where Brett left off) when AR has been holding a clipboard for three years? If TT can swing that he is truly magical.

[PackerBlues]

Well then I suppose everyone here must believe that GOD told Reggie White to come to GB, because Favre was a nobody at that time.

How about when Moss signed with the Raiders in 2005? It must have been because he knew that Kerry Collins could lead the team to the Super Bowl.

A free agent can be motivated by a lot of different things, and personally, I think it is kind of silly for anyone to say that GB's ability to attract free agents hinges on Favres return/decision. It is Thompson's job to find out what it will take to bring a guy to a GB team that may or may not have Favre on the roster. If you do not see the free agent that you like sign with GB, blame Thompson, he gets paid to bring in the talent. Favre is just the QB. (Hopefully )

[oregonpackfan]

I truly appreciate all Favre has accomplished in leading the Packers. In addition, he has my respect as a player and a person.

That said, I never considered Favre a thoughtful, insightful, person the past few years when it comes to making a decision. He does not seem to be the type of person to reflectively weigh the pros and cons about retiring.

He seems much more evasive as well as impulsive in making the retirement decision. It appears he just procrastinates about the decision. In time, he will consider such factors as his wife's influence, the Packers' Super Bowl chances, etc. than suddenly make a decision.

My viewpoint is not intended as derogatory towards Favre. It just is my perspective on how he comes to make his decision.

[twoseven]

Well then I suppose everyone here must believe that GOD told Reggie White to come to GB, because Favre was a nobody at that time.

Favre IS one of the reasons Reggie came to GB. Reggie came right out and said the toughness Brett exhibited against his Eagles, playing hurt after Reggie smoked him and leadng GB to a win (I think), was one of the things that showed him Brett was capable of leading a winning team, the kind of QB that could lead a team to a championship. I'm confused by the rolling eyes.

[PackerBlues]

Wasn't it around this time last year that people in these very same forums were bitching because Favre made it known that he wanted Randy Moss to play in GB.

I seem to remember people saying that Favre should keep his mouth shut, because he is just a player, and that he had no right to talk to the media about who he wanted Thompson to sign. That it was Thompson's job to worry about free agents, and not Favre's.

Well, Favre is under contract to play as the QB for the Packers.......... and he is keeping his mouth shut. What does it take to make a fan happy?

[twoseven]

A free agent can be motivated by a lot of different things, and personally, I think it is kind of silly for anyone to say that GB's ability to attract free agents hinges on Favres return/decision.

Patler didn't say it was all about Favre, he said it was about coming to a team that was 13-3 and one away from the SB. It's not about Brett, it's about Brett as QB makes GB one of the best teams in the league, AR does not. FAs wanting primarily to go to one of the best teams in the league are out there, and they know (or at least can guess) the difference between the Favre Packers and the Rodgers Packers.

[Patler]

Well then I suppose everyone here must believe that GOD told Reggie White to come to GB, because Favre was a nobody at that time.

How about when Moss signed with the Raiders in 2005? It must have been because he knew that Kerry Collins could lead the team to the Super Bowl.

A free agent can be motivated by a lot of different things, and personally, I think it is kind of silly for anyone to say that GB's ability to attract free agents hinges on Favres return/decision. It is Thompson's job to find out what it will take to bring a guy to a GB team that may or may not have Favre on the roster. If you do not see the free agent that you like sign with GB, blame Thompson, he gets paid to bring in the talent. Favre is just the QB. (Hopefully )

OK, now you have me confused. I'm not sure when you are being sarcastic in the above.

Reggie White specifically said one of the reasons he came to GB was BECAUSE of Favre. He said he hit him with everything he had, and Favre just shook it off (later to find out he had a partial separation of a shoulder). White said that and the way Favre played convinced him the Packers were headed in the right direction.

Who said their ability to attract FAs "hinges on Favres return/decision"? It may not affect some at all. But for some, like a vet looking for a Super Bowl, or a receiver comparing opportunities with teams with proven QBs or possibly the unproven Rodgers, I think it is unreasonable to assume it will have no effect.

I don't remember, how much control did Moss have in going to Oakland? Wasn't it a straight trade without a renegotiated contract? He may not have had much influence on it at all. His departure from Oakland was much different, because any trade hinged on a new contract with Moss. He had much more control.

[RashanGary]

Eh, who cares about Favre. Stay or go, I could care less. He's short term anyway.



I think he's holding off because he wants McCarthy to tell him he can stay home for OTA's and minicamps. Instead, MM told him to take his time and to make sure he's completely committed. I'd consider completely committed to mean committed to coming to all of the practices in their completeness just like the rest of the team


Good. If you don't like it, hang up the cleats. The NFL will march right on with him or without you.

[PackerBlues]

Sorry Patler, not trying to be sarcastic. Not really anyway. The fact that the title of the main post was "Favre is pissing me off!" kind of offends me, because as you all know, I do like to defend Favre.


I get so sick of hearing about the retirement talk, especially when it is not Favre who is bringing it up. So let me just make this one last statement on the subject before I go to find another post to throw my opinions around in.............


If you put yourself in Brett's shoes, if you take the time to try to understand things from his point of view, then you would not be pushing for him to make his decision so soon. I would think that a major part of Brett's decision to come back would have to depend on what Thompson does with his draft picks, and on what moves (if any) Thompson makes in Free Agency. While some of you contend that if Brett would just make his decision known before Free Agency begins, it would make Thompsons job in signing free agents easier. Then you should understand that its a two way street, and I am sure that if Thompson would commit to signing better talent (O-line, hint hint), it would make Brett's decision to return for another season easier.