Time for TT to hit a blue chipper

[Bretsky]

We just got a wii. They're still really hard to get. But maybe this year I'll take you on...

Do they have Wiii Mud Wrestling

[MJZiggy]

Partial, what are you going to do if Favre retires this week?

If Favre retires next week we aren't going to the Super Bowl next year; I'd think TT would want to bring in another QB to compete and continue to stock the pot as he has in the past. Maybe even bring in another 11 draft picks and if he goes for a free agent focus on the less established longer term guy who is not as good now but may develop in the next few years.

Careful there, B. You were the one last year who insisted to me repeatedly that we couldn't possibly have a winning season because TT hadn't done anything in FA. We won a lot last year and it may not be probable, but a SB COULD happen.

And the point in me mentioning the article to Partial is just as a reminder to him that there is still a very real possibility that the QB he talks so definitely about having for another year, might not come back. That was the point of the article, that everything's been quiet about it because everyone is just assuming he'll be back and that may not be the case.

[Bretsky]

Partial, what are you going to do if Favre retires this week?

If Favre retires next week we aren't going to the Super Bowl next year; I'd think TT would want to bring in another QB to compete and continue to stock the pot as he has in the past. Maybe even bring in another 11 draft picks and if he goes for a free agent focus on the less established longer term guy who is not as good now but may develop in the next few years.

Careful there, B. You were the one last year who insisted to me repeatedly that we couldn't possibly have a winning season because TT hadn't done anything in FA. We won a lot last year and it may not be probable, but a SB COULD happen.

And the point in me mentioning the article to Partial is just as a reminder to him that there is still a very real possibility that the QB he talks so definitely about having for another year, might not come back. That was the point of the article, that everything's been quiet about it because everyone is just assuming he'll be back and that may not be the case.

You are misquoting me; I may have said I don't see how we can win the division or the NFC....but not a winning season. I formally predicated 8-8 and said we'd have between seven and nine wins. Nine wins is a winning season.

That being said, GB crushed the highest expectations I had for this squad.
You can pound the crap out of me with that point and I'll bend over (not literally) and take it. Much of that was due to a MVP like performance and another 16 games of health from our QB.

I can't see Rodgers taking us to the Super Bowl in his first year as the QB; if Favre retires I'd continue the rebuilding process with the most focus on the future.

And if my bold predications result on AROD taking up to the Super Bowl, I'll be very very happy to be wrong again.

[CaliforniaCheez]

1) Tauscher is a blue chipper worth an extension. Isn't his contract up after 2008?

2) Poppinga also done after 2008 is a red chipper.

3) Punter Ryan is a white chipper and his contract is over after 2008.

24 million less 5.5 to sign rookies and all three above can be done.

[Bretsky]

1) Tauscher is a blue chipper worth an extension. Isn't his contract up after 2008?

2) Poppinga also done after 2008 is a red chipper.

3) Punter Ryan is a white chipper and his contract is over after 2008.

24 million less 5.5 to sign rookies and all three above can be done.

I like Tauscher and it looks like he'll keep his play up for a while

We won't need to break any bank on Poppinga.

I'm not sure Ryan will be our punter two years from now; it would not surprise me if TT loads up on picks and takes a flyer on a punter

[Partial]

We have an ice cubes chance without Favre.

I no longer believe that.

I think Rodgers has the skills and shown that he can be alright, but he has not ever won a game, he hasn't stayed healthy for an entire game, etc. He has the P word but that isn't a sure thing.

Remember, without a strong passing game the running game was abysmal. 2.5 ypc-ish.

Let's wait until we go through a full season with an established RB until we make verdicts about the running game.

We saw against Dallas that A-Rod has the ability to manage the game and give this team a chance to win games. He's not going to give you the magic that Favre can bring (MNF in Denver is a great example) but then again he's not going to give you the "chuck 'em up" INTs that Favre throws (albeit they became fewer in number last year)

I'm not making the arguement that A-Rod is on the level that Favre is, but to say that we don't have a chance without Favre is foolish. Believe me, if A-Rod is the QB next season, we will win the division, and we will have a legit chance of making the SB.

We just went through an entire season and it became evident to me that we could not run without our passing game rocking the house.

To say that A-Rod won't chuck up dumb interceptions is idiotic. C'mon man, you're better than that. Favre makes mistakes but he is so good because he can read a defense like a book and is extremely accurate. If anything, he'll throw more.

I think if Favre is gone, Donald Lee is average, Jennings doesn't catch half the bombs for touch downs, Grant rushes for 3 ypc, etc.

[Partial]

I want to win now with Favre. Obviously, you can't do that long term.

Perhaps you need to read the article on the homepage and tuck a copy under your pillow tonight just to be sure the idea sinks in...

I don't understand what this means; when I read the article the focus I get out of it is nobdy believes Favre will retire and there would be great disappointment if he does.

I see a couple "maybe we'll be OK if he does" suggestions, but if that was suppose to be the focus point I bet several, including myself, would not agree with that point

Same here. Ryan Grants looks like a 6th round pick, and A-Rod is one of the most sacked QBs in the league.

[Partial]

Partial, what are you going to do if Favre retires this week?

If Favre retires next week we aren't going to the Super Bowl next year; I'd think TT would want to bring in another QB to compete and continue to stock the pot as he has in the past. Maybe even bring in another 11 draft picks and if he goes for a free agent focus on the less established longer term guy who is not as good now but may develop in the next few years.

Careful there, B. You were the one last year who insisted to me repeatedly that we couldn't possibly have a winning season because TT hadn't done anything in FA. We won a lot last year and it may not be probable, but a SB COULD happen.

And the point in me mentioning the article to Partial is just as a reminder to him that there is still a very real possibility that the QB he talks so definitely about having for another year, might not come back. That was the point of the article, that everything's been quiet about it because everyone is just assuming he'll be back and that may not be the case.

You are misquoting me; I may have said I don't see how we can win the division or the NFC....but not a winning season. I formally predicated 8-8 and said we'd have between seven and nine wins. Nine wins is a winning season.

That being said, GB crushed the highest expectations I had for this squad.
You can pound the crap out of me with that point and I'll bend over (not literally) and take it. Much of that was due to a MVP like performance and another 16 games of health from our QB.

I can't see Rodgers taking us to the Super Bowl in his first year as the QB; if Favre retires I'd continue the rebuilding process with the most focus on the future.

And if my bold predications result on AROD taking up to the Super Bowl, I'll be very very happy to be wrong again.

Bohica baby! Bohica!

[BallHawk]

We just went through an entire season and it became evident to me that we could not run without our passing game rocking the house.

To say that A-Rod won't chuck up dumb interceptions is idiotic. C'mon man, you're better than that. Favre makes mistakes but he is so good because he can read a defense like a book and is extremely accurate. If anything, he'll throw more.

I think if Favre is gone, Donald Lee is average, Jennings doesn't catch half the bombs for touch downs, Grant rushes for 3 ypc, etc.

If Rodgers is the QB next season he will throw about the same amount of INTs as Favre did this season, which was 15. I'd say Rodgers throws no more than 20. Rodgers does not have a big arm, MM knows that, the WRs know that, and most importantly, Aaron knows that. Our WRs can get the YAC if Aaron gets them the ball. I have confidence that he can do that. Not to mention, he has the ability to run which is intriguing.

I want Favre back, I pray that he comes back. If he doesn't come back, however, that is that and we move forward with Aaron. Move forward we will and succeed we will.

[Partial]

We just went through an entire season and it became evident to me that we could not run without our passing game rocking the house.

To say that A-Rod won't chuck up dumb interceptions is idiotic. C'mon man, you're better than that. Favre makes mistakes but he is so good because he can read a defense like a book and is extremely accurate. If anything, he'll throw more.

I think if Favre is gone, Donald Lee is average, Jennings doesn't catch half the bombs for touch downs, Grant rushes for 3 ypc, etc.

If Rodgers is the QB next season he will throw about the same amount of INTs as Favre did this season, which was 15. I'd say Rodgers throws no more than 20. Rodgers does not have a big arm, MM knows that, the WRs know that, and most importantly, Aaron knows that. Our WRs can get the YAC if Aaron gets them the ball. I have confidence that he can do that. Not to mention, he has the ability to run which is intriguing.

I want Favre back, I pray that he comes back. If he doesn't come back, however, that is that and we move forward with Aaron. Move forward we will and succeed we will.

How can you even think that? He isn't as accurate, and doesn't have nearly as strong of an arm or as quick of a release. Favre didn't make a lot of stupid throws this year.

He can run more than Favre, but defensive ends are faster as are linebackers. I don't think he's much of a threat on the ground.

Favre was the most valueable player to a team in the league this year. I predict 8-8 with Rodgers, with as low as 5-11.

[BallHawk]

Favre was the most valueable player to a team in the league this year. I predict 8-8 with Rodgers, with as low as 5-11.

Agree with your first sentence.

However, 8-8? Either you're saying we completely overachieved or Favre got us 5 more wins than we deserved.

Rodgers will manage the game if he becomes QB. He doesn't need to chuck bombs or make underhand flips. All he has to do is throw slants, dump offs, and the occasional long throw. He can be our Phillip Rivers without the attitude problem.

[Partial]

Except Phillip Rivers has a hall-of-fame running back (up to this stage in his career, he is arguably the best ever), and a menacing defense.

We have neither of those.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Except Phillip Rivers has a hall-of-fame running back (up to this stage in his career, he is arguably the best ever), and a menacing defense.

We have neither of those.

Add a couple of picks the defense and we might.

Plenty of teams have won with a good/great defense and a decent QB. That is what TT is doing.

Think Ravens. Think Steelers. Think Patriots.

[GrnBay007]

Plenty of teams have won with a good/great defense and a decent QB. That is what TT is doing.

IF Favre retires, I'd like to see Rodgers be a decent QB that can manage the game...........BUT....I don't see how TT can not get another good QB in there as A-Rod appears to be a bit fragile. Maybe things would change if he was starting every week ....only time will tell.

....and I'm still hoping we don't have to worry about that this next season...............COME BACK BRETT! :P

[MJZiggy]

That being said, GB crushed the highest expectations I had for this squad.
You can pound the crap out of me with that point and I'll bend over (not literally) and take it. Much of that was due to a MVP like performance and another 16 games of health from our QB.

I can't see Rodgers taking us to the Super Bowl in his first year as the QB; if Favre retires I'd continue the rebuilding process with the most focus on the future.

And if my bold predications result on AROD taking up to the Super Bowl, I'll be very very happy to be wrong again.

(So noted) You forgot that much of it was also due to the development of a great running game, an o-line that finally seemed to figure out how to protect the quarterback and a team that carried whoever might be having a rough day and won despite their problems.

And they don't have wii mud wrestling, but they do have wii boxing so I can beat you up this time. Sorry, last time I forgot you wanted me to abuse you...