Jason Taylor to the pack???

[Lurker64]

Taylor is so beloved by Dolphin fans that trading him is going to be hard for Parcells to do even if he was actively doing so. He won't be traded for anything that's not a clearly good value in picks (2nd and 4th sounds about right), picks and a young up and coming player, or picks on draft day that allow the Dolphins to immediately pick up a player who is perceived to be an exceptional value. This changes, however, if Taylor demands a trade to a contender.

If Parcells trades Taylor for a low fourth round pick, he's looking at an abject public relations disaster on his hands. Dolphin fans are happy to keep Taylor, no matter how bad the team is around him because he's really the soul and face of the franchise.

A few years ago, after we finished 4-12 remember how you felt when all of the media outlets were banging the drum calling for Favre to be traded to a contender because we "obviously weren't going anywhere" and "you might as well get something for him." I imagine that's kind of how Dolphins fans feel about this.

[MadtownPacker]

#1 reason Taylor will not come to GB...........

Thompson's sale pitch to Taylor: "We really want you to come play for GB. We want you in GB so much, that we are willing to give up a late 4'th round draft pick. We will of coarse want to put a few clauses in your contract because we are worried about your behavior becoming a problem, but just as long as you realize that Kampman is the man in GB, and that you are not to step on his toes, you should be a great fit in GB."

Your pathetic attempt to take a swipe at TT has only solidified my opinion that you dont really want to argue about Taylor or any FA. Instead you just wanna talk about your mancrush on the GM.

Taylor is is pretty much the anti-moss. A dominant player who plays hard every play even on a shitty team that isnt going anywhere. Plus I have read he is a health freak. Thats why he is still putting up great stats at his age.

And before you pull the "no black man wants to play in GB" card (because eventually you will), you do know he was married to Zach Thomas' sister (a whitegirl) right?

[PackerBlues]

#1 reason Taylor will not come to GB...........

Thompson's sale pitch to Taylor: "We really want you to come play for GB. We want you in GB so much, that we are willing to give up a late 4'th round draft pick. We will of coarse want to put a few clauses in your contract because we are worried about your behavior becoming a problem, but just as long as you realize that Kampman is the man in GB, and that you are not to step on his toes, you should be a great fit in GB."

Your pathetic attempt to take a swipe at TT has only solidified my opinion that you dont really want to argue about Taylor or any FA. Instead you just wanna talk about your mancrush on the GM.

Taylor is is pretty much the anti-moss. A dominant player who plays hard every play even on a shitty team that isnt going anywhere. Plus I have read he is a health freak. Thats why he is still putting up great stats at his age.

And before you pull the "no black man wants to play in GB" card (because eventually you will), you do know he was married to Zach Thomas' sister (a whitegirl) right?

huh?

[MadtownPacker]

huh?

I guess I covered everything huh?

[Partial]

Are you serious Fritz? This guy was defensive player of the year two years ago.

Bold=emphasis.

OK, but if he was named that about 400 days ago, do you think he went from the best defensive player in the NFL to terrible that quick? At the very least, he'd be solid. I am all for getting him.

He's 34 years old. You just don't see trading a 2nd and 4th for a guy who might have two years left.

I wouldn't trade a 4th, but I'd lose Corey Williams gladly if it meant two years of JT.

[KYPack]

I wouldn't trade a 4th, but I'd lose Corey Williams gladly if it meant two years of JT.

Does this mean you would trade the 2nd.

er what?

[Bretsky]

Is he really going to put this team over the top next year?

I might - might - risk a fourth rounder for him, and a two year, front-loaded deal. And that's if I'm feeling crazy.

Oh stop being such a wimp Giving up a fourth is not much of a risk if we want to try to win near term

[pack4to84]

If TT trades our 2nd rd and 4th rd pick to get Taylor. We basicly just trade Williams who didn't want to be here for Taylor. Plus moved up in the 2nd rd.

Our 2nd rd pick 60 = 284 points
4th rd = 46 points
both together = 344 points

Browns 2nd rd pick =340

[Partial]

I wouldn't trade a 4th, but I'd lose Corey Williams gladly if it meant two years of JT.

Does this mean you would trade the 2nd.

er what?

Precisely. If you look at which player would have a greater impact in 2008, than answer is clearly JT. Super bowl or bust guys.

[MadtownPacker]

If TT trades our 2nd rd and 4th rd pick to get Taylor. We basicly just trade Williams who didn't want to be here for Taylor. Plus moved up in the 2nd rd.

Our 2nd rd pick 60 = 284 points
4th rd = 46 points
both together = 344 points

Browns 2nd rd pick =340

Very interesting. I still wouldnt give up a #2 but those numbers are convincing.

[twoseven]

Taylor is so beloved by Dolphin fans that trading him is going to be hard for Parcells to do even if he was actively doing so. He won't be traded for anything that's not a clearly good value in picks (2nd and 4th sounds about right), picks and a young up and coming player, or picks on draft day that allow the Dolphins to immediately pick up a player who is perceived to be an exceptional value. This changes, however, if Taylor demands a trade to a contender.

If Parcells trades Taylor for a low fourth round pick, he's looking at an abject public relations disaster on his hands. Dolphin fans are happy to keep Taylor, no matter how bad the team is around him because he's really the soul and face of the franchise.

A few years ago, after we finished 4-12 remember how you felt when all of the media outlets were banging the drum calling for Favre to be traded to a contender because we "obviously weren't going anywhere" and "you might as well get something for him." I imagine that's kind of how Dolphins fans feel about this.

IMO Favre is different, he WON a title in GB amongst numerous other achievements, Taylor has not been a part of anything other than a playoff caliber team in his time in Miami. Favre leaving GB is a much bigger deal than JT leaving MIA.

Let's say 06' and 07' would have been 4-7 wins for Favre here in GB instead of 8 and 13. I would have rather had AR getting to play and had Brett's cap space to build on than Brett hanging on with us versus retired OR traded for picks to a contender and trying to win one more ring elsewhere. The Dolphins were 1-15 and are years away from actually contending.

I know JT is still under contract, but considering the whole nostalgic feelings towards long time players angle and how the fans would react, what about Zach Thomas and how his MIA days ended? He went off to a contender when he was deemed no longer worthwhile in MIA. I bet there are some MIA fans that thought Zach deserved a small contract to play it out in MIA, but Parcells didn't think so.

I agree for MIA it might be better to just hold onto JT because he is signed. But the team is coming off 1-15, they need help everywhere, they need draft picks, and they don't need a higher priced vet that could be gone in 1-2 years and getting nothing for him in return leave for cap space. Bill Parcels owes the Miami organization, its players, and the fans a winning football program as soon as possible. MIA has no QB, they traded their best player Chambers last season, their RB is coming off of knee surgery, they've already unloaded several vets in the last month. Their situation is so grim that it is widely specualted they'll trade the first pick in the draft becuase no one player is worth the chance to trade down and get more picks. Is JT really worth hanging onto? I dunno, and Parcells is known for making tough decisions for the good of the team.

I think it's asking a lot to be shipping a second round pick and something else straight up for a 34 year old. Other players traded for those kinds of deals were younger. However, Parcells will get more than a low fourth round pick for Taylor, no doubt in my mind.

[Fritz]

Is he really going to put this team over the top next year?

I might - might - risk a fourth rounder for him, and a two year, front-loaded deal. And that's if I'm feeling crazy.

Oh stop being such a wimp Giving up a fourth is not much of a risk if we want to try to win near term

Sorry, Bretsky. Okay, okay, I'd give up the fourth.

If TT pulled the trigger by giving up a third, I'd be nervous, but I suppose I'd be kinda excited. Kinda. But man, a 34 year old defensive end...that's a high price to pay for a guy who plays a sport in which you can lose your physical edge very, very quickly. Just look how worried we all are about Al Harris losing it very suddenly. And you'd give up a third rounder, and some of you a second, for that risk?

It's a big risk - bigger than I think some posters are willing to admit. People throw around "deals" like giving up seconds and thirds like those picks don't mean much. But those are picks that form the heart of many drafts.

So, okay, I'd give up the fourth. I'd probably not risk the third but would be willing to go along with it if it happened. I do think, as some posters have pointed out, that there are crazy people in the league, and some numbnut will give up a high third or second to get Taylor, and none of this will matter for GB. Probably a team like San Fran or Minnesota or Oakland or the Jets.

[The Leaper]

Taylor is so beloved by Dolphin fans that trading him is going to be hard for Parcells to do even if he was actively doing so.

I don't know. Dolphin fans probably wish Taylor could have a chance to win a Super Bowl as well...and he ain't getting that chance staying in Miami. Miami fans probably realize it is time to blow the team up and start from scratch. A one win season will do that to you.

Sure, losing Taylor would be a blow to the Dolphins...but what does hanging on to him really bring the team? Parcells doesn't give a crap about how the Dolphins fans or media think either...so the notion that he'll be wary of a media frenzy is ridiculous IMO.

[The Leaper]

I do think, as some posters have pointed out, that there are crazy people in the league, and some numbnut will give up a high third or second to get Taylor, and none of this will matter for GB. Probably a team like San Fran or Minnesota or Oakland or the Jets.

I don't think anyone will give up a 2nd round pick for Taylor. Can anyone cite recent examples of guys obtained via trade for a 1st - 3rd round pick that were over 32 years of age? I can't think of any off the top of my head, but I would think those instances would be very rare.

Even Moss last year only garnered a 4th round pick.

[Partial]

Well, lieu of today's events, I am no longer interested in Jason Taylor for a second round pick or trading up in the draft. In fact, I think I'd like to trade down a bit and pick up a few more top 80 picks.