What the hell ever happened to the good old fashioned alpha male? MM owns his ground. I respect that about him.
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I believe if it did get out that DD and Harris were unhappy, that was the last thing they wanted. Maybe they did kick up a ruckus behind closed doors. Both guys told the media "I am no Walker/MM".
The strory was not meant to be told. The "source" in either case should not have been quoted without the player's consent to begin with. Any potential harm would only come from media pressure.
I think M3 was ensuring this message was well delivered.
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There is a difference between loyalty and respect Harlan. McCarthy set a tone, he wasn't out of line, Wilde printed a story that blew up in his face.Originally posted by Harlan HucklebyI don't think reporters should take loyalty oaths. They try to be objective. Wilde did nothing disrespectful. It was McCarthy who was out of line.Originally posted by NutzIt is time that reporters start having a little respect for this organization,
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Originally posted by NutzThere is a difference between loyalty and respect Harlan. McCarthy set a tone, he wasn't out of line, Wilde printed a story that blew up in his face.Originally posted by Harlan HucklebyI don't think reporters should take loyalty oaths. They try to be objective. Wilde did nothing disrespectful. It was McCarthy who was out of line.Originally posted by NutzIt is time that reporters start having a little respect for this organization,
My take is that this is a slow news day so that's why it's being discussed so much. Here are my two points I'd like to make.
1) It ain't a good idea to go to war with the press, so this may not have been a very smart move.
2) It IS unproffesional to cuss someone out at your place of business...PERIOD. It may be ok at the local saloon at 1:00am but he should have a bit more class.
Anyway, it isn't a big deal. I am getting a kick out of the Vikes and Packs new head coaches. Childress tries to be or is real cereberal but says some of the weirdest things...he's either a genius or he's nuts. McCarthy reminds me a little of Tice. cussing a guy out and the way the seems to shoot straight. Maybe that's a good thing for a head coach.
We'll see how it plays out this summer.
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This is on about the came level as the cell phone incident last year when Sherman laid into reporter because his cell phone was ringing. Coaches & reporters get into spats all the time. I bet Wilde gets the facts straight next time.
Thanks Ted!
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Those days, I'm afraid, are past. Acceptability in language has declined drastically in the last 30 years.Originally posted by Rastak2) It IS unproffesional to cuss someone out at your place of business...PERIOD. It may be ok at the local saloon at 1:00am but he should have a bit more class.
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Story didn't blow up in his face, McCarthy did. The story was that a source in the Packers org said Harris missed minicamp because he's unhappy with contract. Nothing wrong with that report. Just because the Packer Cultists don't like the story doesn't prove it false.Originally posted by NutzWilde printed a story that blew up in his face.
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Originally posted by Harlan HucklebyStory didn't blow up in his face, McCarthy did. The story was that a source in the Packers org said Harris missed minicamp because he's unhappy with contract. Nothing wrong with that report. Just because the Packer Cultists don't like the story doesn't prove it false.Originally posted by NutzWilde printed a story that blew up in his face.
Our good friend Harvey dismissed the Driver story as BS....BUT the dude suddenly got an extension so there was smoke AND fire on that story.
I think there is most likely something to this one also.....nothing extremely sinister but Mr Harris could be an unhappy camper.....
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Ummm, a lot of people have suggested that Jason Wilde should have gotten a confirmation from McCarthy or another Packer authority. Well, OF COURSE McCarthy or anybody with the Packers who wants to keep their job is going to deny it. Even Harris's agent would likely deny it, since they are unlikely to want a media war of words at this point.
I do understand the point that Wilde is spreading a rumor. It's a fine line between a rumor and an opinion from a credible source. I don't mind unconfirmed stories from reporters, just as long as they are indicated as unverified. If you want to ignore all "unnamed source" reports, fine.
Wilde has a personal interest in considering the reliability of his source. His own credibility suffer if reports repeatedly prove false. So far in his career, I've come to trust Wilde. So I tend to believe there is something to the story.
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Harlan, do you really believe the intent of the story was "Mr. ABC told me xyz."? Of course it wasn't. The intent of the story was that Harris boycotted camp because of dissatisfaction with his contract.Originally posted by Harlan HucklebyStory didn't blow up in his face, McCarthy did. The story was that a source in the Packers org said Harris missed minicamp because he's unhappy with contract. Nothing wrong with that report. Just because the Packer Cultists don't like the story doesn't prove it false.Originally posted by NutzWilde printed a story that blew up in his face.
No one reads newspaper articles as literally as you are suggesting the article was written. If Jason Wilde thinks peope will read that article to mean only that someone told him something, and not to mean that the reason Harris wasn't there was because he was dissatisfied with his contract, than Wilde is alarmingly naive for a seasoned reporter.
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Originally posted by Rastak....McCarthy reminds me a little of Tice....
Oh, my. At last Ras outs himself as the troll he really is underneath this facade of "I only want to dicuss football!"
Ras, that is the most dispicable trash talk I have ever been forced to read on these pages.
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"Our good friend Harvey dismissed the Driver story as BS....BUT the dude suddenly got an extension so there was smoke AND fire on that story.
I think there is most likely something to this one also.....nothing extremely sinister but Mr Harris could be an unhappy camper....."
I disagree. Michael Smith of ESPN, reported on Cold Pizza that Driver was unhappy and wanted out of GB citing an item about Driver asking Thompson for an extension in December and being refused(which was reported in the Milwauke Journal Sentinel). Later the same day he reported that Drvier wanted out, Smith changed his story on talk radio(Dan Patrick Show i think) and then when interviewed that night on Sportscenter about the Packers he mentioned only Javon Walker wanting out and made no mention of Driver. There was also the possibity that Smith was wanting to say Walker but said Driver instead which would be a good reason why Smith changed his story as soon as he could.The ironic thing is that ESPN.Com never mentioned their own guys report until they posted the article in which Driver denied it. AP did. In the end the story was BS and Driver got the extension because of Walker, not the story.
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Yes, of course. This is what the unnamed source suggested. You're right, perhaps some read the story quickly and accept it as verified, gospel fact. And the rumor mill might repeat the story incorrectly. Wilde is just putting the information out there, not trying to mislead people.Originally posted by shamrockfanThe intent of the story was that Harris boycotted camp because of dissatisfaction with his contract.
You could set a standard where papers only report information from named sources, verified independently. I don't think that is necessary in sports journalism, and it would be dry and uninteresting.
I don't have any trouble keeping these "unnamed source" stories in perspective.
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