Grant will do offseason workouts but won't sign minimum tend

[Joemailman]

Marshawn Lynch signed a 5 year, $19 mil contract last year. Considering Grant's production last year, is he worth less than someone who hadn't played a game in the NFL when he signed that contract?

[Freak Out]

Nice signature Joe.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Grant may be good, or he may not.

The ZBS tends to create backs that do well, but aren't really that good.

How do we know that Grant isn't our Olandis Gary, Mike Anderson, Droughns or Tatum bell. Thousand yard backs, but far from T. Davis or Portis.

[MJZiggy]

Who cares if they gain 1,000 yards a season?

[RashanGary]

9 games and he wants a contract to be a life long Packer??? He does deserve more than the low tender he was offered but he needs to do more than what he did in 9 games in my humble opinion.

I agree. Give him at least half a season more. If he comes out and tears it up for 8 more games then start talking extention and make it all the way through age 30 or 31 and make sure it's not a monster. I'd say something like 5 years, 20 mil with 5 million in the first year would be very fair for a guy who should only earn 3 million over the next three years while we own his rights anyway. Grant is just in a really shitty situation. I'd think he should be happy to have a 20 million dollar career with the way all of the cards stacked against him from the start. I acctually think the Packers would be doing him a big favor with all of the leverage they have (and it's more leverage than a team should have for a guy his age. It just worked out really badly for him with the injury and practice squad thing). It's more of a courtesy thing to a good player who's earning it and had an unusually bad situation than Grant doing the team a favor.

[twoseven]

For those who think it was all because of Favre that the running game opened up, you are wrong.

..and you would prove this how, exactly?

Let’s see, the first seven weeks we were ranked 32 in the league in rushing, and then after Grant took over we were one of the top running teams in the league. You honestly believe that was due solely because of Favre? Sure, I'm not that naive that I won’t admit a strong passing game helps the run game, but at the same time am not that naive to believe Favre was the sole reason for our good running game either. If you were actually watching the games you would have seen that Grant made a lot of great runs off his vision and great cut backs. Also, his yards after contact are very high and he was running behind a bad run blocking line. Your comment suggests that you think the running games success was due only because Favre and the passing game. How would you prove that?

My point is simple, nobody has seen any running backs in GB without Favre for 17 years. How about we all wait and see what difference it will make. Your presumptions that you know what will happen are premature.

[GrnBay007]

My point is simple, nobody has seen any running backs in GB without Favre for 17 years. How about we all wait and see what difference it will make.

We are entering a whole new world!!

[twoseven]

Sorry to be all lame on my Packer history, but who was the HOF quarterback sharing the backfield with John Brockington in the early 70's and Terdell Middleton in '78?

Only those in BOLD were years of HOF QBs Starr and Favre, the rest were not. Starr got in one year with Brockington.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Nice signature Joe.

I want Joe to name names. Even Joe McCarthy had a list. Who are the enemies of change?

Unless we know WHO is blocking WHAT specific changes, it's just demagoguery.

I suspect he's just refering to Aaron Rodger's promotion.

[GBRulz]

There is something wrong when our leading rusher gets paid half of what Brandon Jackson does. Pay the man already.

[Fritz]

Sorry to be all lame on my Packer history, but who was the HOF quarterback sharing the backfield with John Brockington in the early 70's and Terdell Middleton in '78?

Only those in BOLD were years of HOF QBs Starr and Favre, the rest were not. Starr got in one year with Brockington.

Oh - gotcha. Thanks.

That brings up the question - how did Terdell Middleton do it, then?

[LL2]

There is something wrong when our leading rusher gets paid half of what Brandon Jackson does. Pay the man already.

Good point!

Partial...Marshawn Lynch had the benefit of being a first round draft pick. Fortunately for the Bills he's a pretty good RB, but many RD1 picks get a big chunk of money but flop big time. TT has a way of getting maximum performance for as little pay as possible.

[twoseven]

Sorry to be all lame on my Packer history, but who was the HOF quarterback sharing the backfield with John Brockington in the early 70's and Terdell Middleton in '78?

Only those in BOLD were years of HOF QBs Starr and Favre, the rest were not. Starr got in one year with Brockington.

Oh - gotcha. Thanks.

That brings up the question - how did Terdell Middleton do it, then?

That's my point entirely, NOT an easy thing to do, and if our history says anything, damn near impossible without a great QB at the helm. The Pack have been at it for 85 years now and the number of times ANYONE has surpassed 1000 yards (which is only a 65 yd avg these days) no matter who is minimal, 19 total in 80+. Forget the times an RB did so w/o a HOF QB in front of them. What, 4 times in 85 years?

The vast majority came on Starr's and Favre's teams, not a coincidence IMO. Some don't think a great QB can help a RB to 1000 or more with a strong passing game and an ability to keep the defense honest, I do. That's the long and short of my post of our history of 1000 yders.

IMO, if AR cannot be effective passing against opposing defenses Grant may be in for a long year. I don't think I am alone in this assesment..

[Bretsky]

Sorry to be all lame on my Packer history, but who was the HOF quarterback sharing the backfield with John Brockington in the early 70's and Terdell Middleton in '78?

Only those in BOLD were years of HOF QBs Starr and Favre, the rest were not. Starr got in one year with Brockington.

Oh - gotcha. Thanks.

That brings up the question - how did Terdell Middleton do it, then?

That's my point entirely, NOT an easy thing to do, and if our history says anything, damn near impossible without a great QB at the helm. The Pack have been at it for 85 years now and the number of times ANYONE has surpassed 1000 yards (which is only a 65 yd avg these days) no matter who is minimal, 19 total in 80+. Forget the times an RB did so w/o a HOF QB in front of them. What, 4 times in 85 years?

The vast majority came on Starr's and Favre's teams, not a coincidence IMO. Some don't think a great QB can help a RB to 1000 or more with a strong passing game and an ability to keep the defense honest, I do. That's the long and short of my post of our history of 1000 yders.

IMO, if AR cannot be effective passing against opposing defenses Grant may be in for a long year. I don't think I am alone in this assesment..

When taking this into account from a long term standpoint, you also have to remember that we're on a 16 game schedule now and many of those earlier years were 14 games (and I think for a while even 12......although that might be incorrect). With the current 16 game schedule, I'd bet a much greater percentage have 1,000 yard backs if they stay healthy......probably the key

I'd agree with your view though; if AROD is not competent.........seeing we don't have an inside power rush blocking attack........Grant will have a long year.

[MJZiggy]

Perhaps considering the difference B brings up, you should compare from a ypg standpoint instead of 1000 yard seasons?