Top 7 QB's of all time

[The Shadow]

With some old time Pack fans saying Bart Starr was the best QB ever to don the Green and gold, I have to ask why his name is not on the list. Or, are we in perfect agreement that Brett was the clar #1 GB QB?

If Starr himself claims he can't hold a candle to Brett, then who are any of us to argue?
Brett is the greatest QB ever to wear a GB uniform. Starr is the most successful.

Well, me, for one.
Could it perhaps be just possible that Bart has far too much class to toot his own horn?
And : exactly how does less successful translate to 'greatest'?

[Gunakor]

Thanks

[The Shadow]

With some old time Pack fans saying Bart Starr was the best QB ever to don the Green and gold, I have to ask why his name is not on the list. Or, are we in perfect agreement that Brett was the clar #1 GB QB?

No. And just when are we EVER in perfect agreement????

[MadtownPacker]

With some old time Pack fans saying Bart Starr was the best QB ever to don the Green and gold, I have to ask why his name is not on the list. Or, are we in perfect agreement that Brett was the clar #1 GB QB?

If Starr himself claims he can't hold a candle to Brett, then who are any of us to argue?
Brett is the greatest QB ever to wear a GB uniform. Starr is the most successful.

Well, me, for one.
Could it perhaps be just possible that Bart has far too much class to toot his own horn?
And : exactly how does less successful translate to 'greatest'?

Damn Gramps, thought you had croaked already since you hadnt been around.

IMO championships define great teams. Individual stats define great players.

If you dont agree then how do you explain Barry Sanders?

[Charles Woodson]

With some old time Pack fans saying Bart Starr was the best QB ever to don the Green and gold, I have to ask why his name is not on the list. Or, are we in perfect agreement that Brett was the clar #1 GB QB?

If Starr himself claims he can't hold a candle to Brett, then who are any of us to argue?
Brett is the greatest QB ever to wear a GB uniform. Starr is the most successful.

Well, me, for one.
Could it perhaps be just possible that Bart has far too much class to toot his own horn?
And : exactly how does less successful translate to 'greatest'?

I think its possible to be a better QB but not as successful, just ask Dan Marino

[MadtownPacker]

Having one of the best RB's and maybe THE best OL in the history of the game didn't hurt him either. That defense was very impressive also, which means Aikman wasn't playing from behind nearly as much as Favre was. Aikman wasn't taking nearly the same chances Favre took, so it's no suprise that his passer rating was better. But the Dallas Cowboys carried Troy Aikman, whereas Brett Favre carried the Green Bay Packers. The two aren't even comparable - Favre is a far better QB than Aikman ever was.

Great post man! Welcome to the forum.

[Pack-man]

What's the criteria for this list? If it's not choking away your teams chances to get to and win super bowls, Aikman should be on that list.

Steve Young is another one for the modern era. I'd take his passer rating over Favre's.

Just to name a couple.

Idk about Aikman. Aikman's career was benefited greatly by playing with Michael Irvin, who wasn't a truly great reciever but was one of the best at pushing off to gain position and not getting called for it. Having one of the best RB's and maybe THE best OL in the history of the game didn't hurt him either. That defense was very impressive also, which means Aikman wasn't playing from behind nearly as much as Favre was. Aikman wasn't taking nearly the same chances Favre took, so it's no suprise that his passer rating was better. But the Dallas Cowboys carried Troy Aikman, whereas Brett Favre carried the Green Bay Packers. The two aren't even comparable - Favre is a far better QB than Aikman ever was.

Gotta agree with ya. Aikman had much more talent offensively around him than Favre did. He had a Hall of Fame RB & Hall of Fame receiver. The only Hall of Fame player Favre ever played with was Reggie White.

The best receiver Favre ever had was Sterling Sharpe and Brett got better after Sharpe left!

[The Leaper]

Bart Starr never had to carry the load as an NFL QB. He threw an average of 16 times a game in his entire career. 4 passes a quarter is hardly my notion of a guy who is being called on to carry the offense.

Was he calm under pressure? Of course. Was he a tremendous leader and field general? Of course. Was he talented enough to overcome lacking resources around him? No. He proved that quite well early in his career before Lombardi came to town.

FYI...by way of comparison, Favre averaged 21 pass completions a game during his career. He completed 5 more passes caught on average than Starr attempted. That is the definition of a guy who is carrying his offense.

Bart Starr could never have won SB 31 for the Packers...he did not possess the talent to win when surrounded with mediocre players like Robert Brooks, Don Beebe, Edgar Bennett, Mark Chumura, etc. The only reason we look back on those guys with good thoughts is because of Brett Favre. His talent was what made our otherwise lackluster offense potent.

Bart Starr was a tremendous leader who sucessfully managed the riches of resources he was blessed to operate with. For that, he deserves plenty of credit...because there are numerous examples of others blessed with much who did far less.

However, as a QB, Starr doesn't hold a candle to Favre. Favre has infinitely greater arm strength, accuracy, and pocket presence. His ability to make others around him better is the hallmark of a great player. Starr didn't need to make Hornung, Taylor or the OL better...he only had to ensure they were all on the same page. He did a damn fine job of it, but that doesn't make him a great QB...just a great leader.

That is the difference.

[Zool]

You take back what you said about Don Beebe right now.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Aikman has no business being on the greatest QB's list. Frankly, I don't think he's even HOF worthy either.

In 12 seasons, he only played the whole year twice. He had 165 TDs and 141 INTs total, with only 1 season with more than 20 TDs. That's nowhere near HOF worthy let alone even in the discussion of greatest QBs ever.

[Scott Campbell]

If you dont agree then how do you explain Barry Sanders?

He played for the Lions.

[The Shadow]

Bart Starr never had to carry the load as an NFL QB. He threw an average of 16 times a game in his entire career. 4 passes a quarter is 1. hardly my notion of a guy who is being called on to carry the offense.
Was he calm under pressure? Of course. Was he a tremendous leader and field general? Of course. Was he talented enough to overcome lacking resources around him? No. He proved that quite well early in his career before Lombardi came to town.

FYI...by way of comparison, Favre averaged 21 pass completions a game during his career. He completed 5 more passes caught on average than Starr attempted. That is the definition of a guy who is carrying his offense.

2. Bart Starr could never have won SB 31 for the Packers...he did not possess the talent to win when surrounded with mediocre players like Robert Brooks, Don Beebe, Edgar Bennett, Mark Chumura, etc. The only reason we look back on those guys with good thoughts is because of Brett Favre. His talent was what made our otherwise lackluster offense potent.

Bart Starr was a tremendous leader who sucessfully managed the riches of resources he was blessed to operate with. For that, he deserves plenty of credit...because there are numerous examples of others blessed with much who did far less.

3.However, as a QB, Starr doesn't hold a candle to Favre. Favre has infinitely greater arm strength, accuracy, and pocket presence. His ability to make others around him better is the hallmark of a great player. Starr didn't need to make Hornung, Taylor or the OL better...he only had to ensure they were all on the same page. He did a damn fine job of it, but that doesn't make him a great QB...just a great leader.

That is the difference.

1. I suspect you are perhaps are a bit young to have viewed the Ice Bowl performance?
2. Absurd claim. History supports Starr's excellence in big games.
In point of fact, the only time Favre ever got the ultimate job done was when Ron Wolf surrounded him with clearly the most talented team in the league.
3. Understand the need to 'have seen the best!' But "hold a candle"?
Give me a break!

[b bulldog]

Just because Starr said that, that doesn't make it so. Brett himself said after breaking Dan's records that he doesn't see himself in the same league as Dan. These guys talk like this all of the time.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Re: Top 7 QB's of all time

• Sammy Baugh, Washington Redskins, 1937-1952.
• Tom Brady, New England Patriots, 2000- present.
• John Elway, Denver Broncos, 1983-1998.
• Brett Favre, Green Bay Packers, 1991-2007.
• Otto Graham, Cleveland Browns, 1946-1955.
• Joe Montana, San Francisco 49ers, 1979-1994.
• Johnny Unitas, Baltimore Colts, 1956-1973.
• On deck: Peyton Manning, Indianapolis Colts, 1998-present.

Personally, I think it's a great list--although I wouldn't put Manning or Brady on the list at this point.

My top 5 would be Montana, Unitas, Graham, Elway, and Favre. Not sure about Baugh. Marino would probably be #6 right now for me.

[MadtownPacker]

2. Absurd claim. History supports Starr's excellence in big games.
In point of fact, the only time Favre ever got the ultimate job done was when Ron Wolf surrounded him with clearly the most talented team in the league.

I know the nursing home only gives you so much time a day on the computer so I will make it brief. Dont want your eyes to start hurting.

Weren't the Packers the most talented team in the league for a large part of the 60s? Did Starr have a bunch of slouches he was picking up for? Did opponents score immediately after Starr threw a TD?

I didnt exist so I really dont know but if you remember I will be thankful and seriously impressed that you can remember stuff from when you where 50.