Speculation on GB's QB targets in draft

[SkinBasket]

Re: Speculation on GB's QB targets in draft

drafting a quarterback such as Delaware’s Joe Flacco or Michigan’s Chad Henne with their second or third pick is a much different story.

I would be physically ill if the Packers selected Henne in any round other than the 7th. He's got a lot more Drew Henson than Tom Brady in him.

[Gunakor]

I bet only one QB goes in the first round, that being Matt Ryan. And he'll go way before #30. IMO there are no other QB's in this draft that will or even should go in the first round. Flacco, Brohm, Booty maybe - these are all 2nd round QB's. If one or more of these guys falls to #56 or #60 I might consider them, depending on how the draft falls. From all I can tell, however, we could get an adequate backup in the early part of day 2. So I'd have to really be convinced if I am passing on an OT or a second TE to select a QB in the second round that might not ever be a full time starter in Green Bay.

[Bretsky]

I bet only one QB goes in the first round, that being Matt Ryan. And he'll go way before #30. IMO there are no other QB's in this draft that will or even should go in the first round. Flacco, Brohm, Booty maybe - these are all 2nd round QB's. If one or more of these guys falls to #56 or #60 I might consider them, depending on how the draft falls. From all I can tell, however, we could get an adequate backup in the early part of day 2. So I'd have to really be convinced if I am passing on an OT or a second TE to select a QB in the second round that might not ever be a full time starter in Green Bay.

Gunakor,

You were one of the posters from JS who I enjoyed reading a lot and whose opinion I respect; I'm a bit surprised you continue to be sold that we need a top tier OT early.

I've always had the gut feeling that Tauscher can play 3-5 more years and Cliften 2-4 as well (even though his health has been a bit sporadic as of late). Are you expecting them to break down ? Currently it would appear OT is a strength of our team and I'd much rather like them to take an OG with a first round pick if they go OL. I'm not sold on our OG's yet at all.

Many also feel Colledge will be alrigtht once he gets to move at OT; are you in that camp ? Or do you just think our OT's will soon self destruct injury wise.

If there were positions I'd like to see them avoid in round one they would probably be C, QB, and OT.

[Freak Out]

As far as I'm concerned you can't have to many good Offensive linemen and would be fine if we took a good one early...but of course my draft strategy is to shoot for a Barry Sanders in every draft as well.

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Re: Speculation on GB's QB targets in draft

drafting a quarterback such as Delaware’s Joe Flacco or Michigan’s Chad Henne with their second or third pick is a much different story.

I would be physically ill if the Packers selected Henne in any round other than the 7th. He's got a lot more Drew Henson than Tom Brady in him.

Probably true, but I think he could be a very solid back-up.

[dissident94]

We are in need of a another QB despertaly. Rodgers may be the answer but he not be. We basically have no idea if he is going to be solid. What eveidence do we have. One good half. TT will draft the best player. If it is a qb we take him. Nothing wrong with having two young QBs fighting for the job. Rodgers hasn't earned anything yet. I really think Rodgers will be solid but what if he flops or gets injured where do we turn. I can see a qb in the 3rd, but if one is there with our first 3 picks TT likes I can see him taking one.

[Charles Woodson]

We are in need of a another QB despertaly. Rodgers may be the answer but he not be. We basically have no idea if he is going to be solid. What eveidence do we have. One good half. TT will draft the best player. If it is a qb we take him. Nothing wrong with having two young QBs fighting for the job. Rodgers hasn't earned anything yet. I really think Rodgers will be solid but what if he flops or gets injured where do we turn. I can see a qb in the 3rd, but if one is there with our first 3 picks TT likes I can see him taking one.

I think Rodgers at least deserves a chance, i mean we the fans dont have much on him, but the coaches have seen him in practice for the last 3 years. i believe that if they didn't like what he was doing in practice then we would have at least signed another one. I think Rodgers is fine, but the only question that we've had with him is durability. I would personally be sad if we drafted a QB before the 4th round, and i would be especially sad if we drafted Brohm.

[rbaloha1]

Packer QB

First, living in the WAC universe and watching Colledge at Boise State I believe Colledge is a natural left tackle.

Colledge lacks upper body strength but has great footwork. The athleticism is better suited for a left tackle. Just looks more comfortable and confident as a left tackle.

A great qb pick is Colt Brennan. Former Hawaii head coach June Jones stated on a call-in show that Coach McCarthy watched Colt's game tape during the season and was one of 4 teams extremely interested in Colt.

His accuracy is amazing. Toughness and leadership are also strengths. Could be available on the second day due to a surgery prior to the draft.

Dismiss the critics; CB can play in any system.

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Re: Packer QB

First, living in the WAC universe and watching Colledge at Boise State I believe Colledge is a natural left tackle.

Colledge lacks upper body strength but has great footwork. The athleticism is better suited for a left tackle. Just looks more comfortable and confident as a left tackle.

A great qb pick is Colt Brennan. Former Hawaii head coach June Jones stated on a call-in show that Coach McCarthy watched Colt's game tape during the season and was one of 4 teams extremely interested in Colt.

His accuracy is amazing. Toughness and leadership are also strengths. Could be available on the second day due to a surgery prior to the draft.

Dismiss the critics; CB can play in any system.

I actually think he is a decent fit for the WC offense, but no way can he chuck it down the field in a vertical offense. I don't think his arm is that strong. But, Hawaii would chuck up a million 5 yard routes like the Pack do.

I don't know if he's any good because I haven't seen him enough, but I think the knock is his arm strength, but his system experience would translate well to the pack imo.

[3irty1]

I'd love to get Colt as a project and I've seen him throw some gorgeous deep balls, I don't think his arm is that bad. Either way he is extremely accurate and has a very quick release. He could be very very good one day.

[Gunakor]

I bet only one QB goes in the first round, that being Matt Ryan. And he'll go way before #30. IMO there are no other QB's in this draft that will or even should go in the first round. Flacco, Brohm, Booty maybe - these are all 2nd round QB's. If one or more of these guys falls to #56 or #60 I might consider them, depending on how the draft falls. From all I can tell, however, we could get an adequate backup in the early part of day 2. So I'd have to really be convinced if I am passing on an OT or a second TE to select a QB in the second round that might not ever be a full time starter in Green Bay.

Gunakor,

You were one of the posters from JS who I enjoyed reading a lot and whose opinion I respect; I'm a bit surprised you continue to be sold that we need a top tier OT early.

I've always had the gut feeling that Tauscher can play 3-5 more years and Cliften 2-4 as well (even though his health has been a bit sporadic as of late). Are you expecting them to break down ? Currently it would appear OT is a strength of our team and I'd much rather like them to take an OG with a first round pick if they go OL. I'm not sold on our OG's yet at all.

Many also feel Colledge will be alrigtht once he gets to move at OT; are you in that camp ? Or do you just think our OT's will soon self destruct injury wise.

If there were positions I'd like to see them avoid in round one they would probably be C, QB, and OT.

I'm not convinced we need a QB early, but I'm not convinced that AR is going to stay healthy long enough for us to continue to stall on finding a backup for him. If they are going to use the draft to find an immediate #2 QB on the depth chart, it's better they take one earlier rather than later. Honestly, I'm hoping they can find a QB with at least a little bit of NFL experience to back him up via FA either before the draft or in June.

I'm not completely sold on our OG's either, but they did seem to open up holes late in the season for Ryan Grant. Maybe they will continue to improve, I don't know. But not very many teams were able to gash Seattle for 200+ yards on the ground last year. They are descent pass blockers as well. I wouldn't be averse to giving them one more year, a 3rd in the league, based on what they were able to do in December and January.

I'd love to see TT take an OT with one of his second round picks. I think there are a couple good project OT's that will be there and with Tauch and Cliffy probably being around for at least a couple more years it seems like good timing. On top of that, we don't really have any depth there. When one goes down, we are shifting around OG's and OT's and if more than one linemen go down we are in trouble. If we could get a natural OT to backup Tauch and Cliffy it would add a bit of security should the injury bug hit. And if Colledge moves over to OT and is more comfortable over there, then we would have replacements lined up for both OT positions once Tauch and Cliffy retire. That would make me extremely happy. But since Colledge isn't moving over to OT this year, I don't think the need at OG is that pressing in this draft. However, if there is good value at OG in an earlier round then I wouldn't be at all opposed. I just don't see value at OG at the bottom of either round.

In round 1 they should definitely select a cornerback, because IMO there are 5 or 6 good ones there. One of em is gonna fall. I like Cason because he seems comfortable in press coverage. But there are so many others, and if one of them rises on teams draft boards then that means another will fall. In round 2, should he not trade down with one of those, I'd like to see them select possibly a 2nd TE and a project OT. I would have loved to see a new RB in that round, but with the resigning of Morency that seems unlikely. Ray Rice would have been an awesome addition to our backfield.

[Gunakor]

Re: Packer QB

First, living in the WAC universe and watching Colledge at Boise State I believe Colledge is a natural left tackle.

Colledge lacks upper body strength but has great footwork. The athleticism is better suited for a left tackle. Just looks more comfortable and confident as a left tackle.

A great qb pick is Colt Brennan. Former Hawaii head coach June Jones stated on a call-in show that Coach McCarthy watched Colt's game tape during the season and was one of 4 teams extremely interested in Colt.

His accuracy is amazing. Toughness and leadership are also strengths. Could be available on the second day due to a surgery prior to the draft.

Dismiss the critics; CB can play in any system.

I actually think he is a decent fit for the WC offense, but no way can he chuck it down the field in a vertical offense. I don't think his arm is that strong. But, Hawaii would chuck up a million 5 yard routes like the Pack do.

I don't know if he's any good because I haven't seen him enough, but I think the knock is his arm strength, but his system experience would translate well to the pack imo.

Brett Favre had incredible arm strength, and I think that helped alot even with our short passing game. Not to mention the fact that Green Bay also throws an awful lot of 60 yard TD's to Greg Jennings, so it is somewhat important that whoever we take - either in the draft or in FA - can get the ball down the field.

[Fritz]

'“If they take a QB No. 1, the position would become more of an open competition, and I don’t think they want to put Rodgers in that kind of situation,” one veteran team insider told PFW.'

That's a ridiculous statement. Absolutely ridiculous. There is not one quarterback in this draft, including Matt Ryan, who could come in and seriously compete with Rodgers. As I said in a previous post, this is not because I think Rodgers is the next coming of Jesus (despite his haircut and beard). It is simply because a rookie QB is a deer in the headlights. No way - no way - a rook can come in and learn the system so well he could actually compete for a number one job at QB.

Who are these Bozos that say/write this stuff?

Two gthings. Rodgers and a rookie would have the same number of NFL starts. I would agree that Rodgers has a huge advantage. Years behind Favre learning and some NFL game experience. It isn't unherad of to have a rookie start although unlikely. If you take a guy number one, how can there not be at least a competition for #1 in the preseason? I guess if Mr Rookie struggles in OTA's, then it might be an open and shut case.

Sorry Ras - Can't agree with you here, at all. In fact, I think you contradict yourself - you begin by saying that they'd have the same number of NFL starts - which is true but specious - as you indirectly acknowledge in your very next line - "I would agree that Rodgers has a huge advantage."

I stand by my original post. I guess we just disagree.

My point, to clarify, is that it isn't at all an outrageous thought to have a rookie QB beat out Rodgers. I am also agreeing that Rodgers has a large advantage. You made it sound like it was inconcievable, and it isn't. It's possible although unlikely.


That was my only point. I'm sure Rodgers would have a natural advantage and coaches bias (they want to give him this shot) in his favor.

Thus we disagree. I do think it's inconceivable that any rookie qb in this draft - including Matt Ryan - could beat out Rodgers this year for the starting position.

[Gunakor]

I agree with Fritz on this one. Even though A-Rod hasn't seen a significant amount of PT in regular/post season games during his career, he has a wealth of knowledge that ANY incoming rookie would not have.

This does not mean necessarily that A-Rod gets to KEEP his job should he beat out by another player. It simply means that, IMO, it is inconcievable that anyone other than A-Rod begin the season as starter. Well, aside from Rodgers pulling a hammy or breaking a foot or twisting an ankle in camp or preseason anyway...

[Carolina_Packer]

Re: Packer QB

First, living in the WAC universe and watching Colledge at Boise State I believe Colledge is a natural left tackle.

Colledge lacks upper body strength but has great footwork. The athleticism is better suited for a left tackle. Just looks more comfortable and confident as a left tackle.

A great qb pick is Colt Brennan. Former Hawaii head coach June Jones stated on a call-in show that Coach McCarthy watched Colt's game tape during the season and was one of 4 teams extremely interested in Colt.

His accuracy is amazing. Toughness and leadership are also strengths. Could be available on the second day due to a surgery prior to the draft.

Dismiss the critics; CB can play in any system.

I actually think he is a decent fit for the WC offense, but no way can he chuck it down the field in a vertical offense. I don't think his arm is that strong. But, Hawaii would chuck up a million 5 yard routes like the Pack do.

I don't know if he's any good because I haven't seen him enough, but I think the knock is his arm strength, but his system experience would translate well to the pack imo.

Brett Favre had incredible arm strength, and I think that helped alot even with our short passing game. Not to mention the fact that Green Bay also throws an awful lot of 60 yard TD's to Greg Jennings, so it is somewhat important that whoever we take - either in the draft or in FA - can get the ball down the field.

Fix whatever ails the O-line and I think the 60 yarders will be possible. The receivers can separate, but can the O-line provide enough time for Rodgers to set up and make a good throw? Also, we have to have a good running game to open up the passing game as well. I think the team has enough at the skill positions to compete well, but our guard play from last year must be addressed.