Players >80% likely to be here in 2008

[RashanGary]

Rodgers
Grant
Jackson
Hall
Lee
Driver
Jennings
Jones
Clifton
Tauscher
Wells
Spitz
Kampman
Pickett
Jolly
Harrell
Jenkins
Hawk
Barnett
Chillar
Poppinga
Harris
Woodson
Tramon Williams
Bigby
Rouse


Next group down

Colledge
Barbre
Moll
KGB
Collins


I have 31 players that I think will be here next year. The other 22 seem up for grabs.

[Lurker64]

Why are we doing this before the draft? The answer is almost certainly going to change depending on who we draft. If we draft no WRs, Ruvell Martin is a lock to make the team. If we draft 3 WRs, he's not. If we draft 3 CBs, Will Blackmon is in trouble, if we draft fewer he's on the team.

Saying who we think is a lock right now is kind of silly, don't you think? We're going to add about 20 guys to the roster in a few weeks. Who gets added and who doesn't is going to have a lot to do with who should be comfortable. Since we probably don't take a safety, I'd say Collins is a lock. Since we don't have a lot of depth at the DE position (we could use another even with KGB), I'd say KGB is a lock.

[RashanGary]

With that logic it would be silly to make any type of a statement as circumstances could change at any moment. Why make a guess after the draft when TC will dictate? Why make a prediction in teh beginning of TC when injuries will change. It's called forum discussion, Luker. Maybe someon will disagree with my list and give reasons why. Maybe someone will make their own list and I'll say why I think theirs is flawed. After a page or two we'll all have different ideas that we might not have thought up ourselves and we'll be better for it. Maybe you're at the wrong place. This is a sports forum, Lurker. People talk about topics relating to the Packers here

These are players that I think are very likely to make the team no matter what happens in the draft. That's the point. IT's before the draft and these are guys I think are going to be here next year with a very high probability. I think it illustrates who is easily replaceable.

[Lurker64]

The whole point was that no matter what happens in the draft, I think the guys I listed in the upper group are locks.

I disagree. If we get Stewart in the first round and Ray Rice in the third, Jackson is out of a job. If we get two high quality CBs in the first three rounds, at least one of which has return experience, Tramon Williams is going to have to compete for this job in training camp. If Jolly's shoulder doesn't heal well and we pick up a value like Pat Sims in the third, Jolly might sit out the year in IR or have a tough training camp battle ahead of him (particularly if one of the DTs we have that we didn't see much of last year like Muir or Bolston has a hell of an offseason).

The fact is, it's impossible to (barring the guys who are borderline probowlers) to predict who is a lock to make the team at this point in the season.

If we're talking about guys who can't possibly lose their jobs barring injury I would say that list consists of:
Rodgers
Jennings
Clifton
Tauscher
Driver
Hawk
Barnett
Woodson
Harris
Kampman
And that's it.

[RashanGary]

That's not true. Tauscher could go to prison. Driver could break his neck in a car accident.

What do you know, Lurker?

[red]

The whole point was that no matter what happens in the draft, I think the guys I listed in the upper group are locks.

I disagree. If we get Stewart in the first round and Ray Rice in the third, Jackson is out of a job. If we get two high quality CBs in the first three rounds, at least one of which has return experience, Tramon Williams is going to have to compete for this job in training camp. If Jolly's shoulder doesn't heal well and we pick up a value like Pat Sims in the third, Jolly might sit out the year in IR or have a tough training camp battle ahead of him (particularly if one of the DTs we have that we didn't see much of last year like Muir or Bolston has a hell of an offseason).

The fact is, it's impossible to (barring the guys who are borderline probowlers) to predict who is a lock to make the team at this point in the season.

If we're talking about guys who can't possibly lose their jobs barring injury I would say that list consists of:
Rodgers
Jennings
Clifton
Tauscher
Driver
Hawk
Barnett
Woodson
Harris
Kampman
And that's it.

thats a much better list, but i would add grant and crosby to it and pickett

[RashanGary]

Lurker,

Go to the first post in this tread. Find me a spot where I said lock.


Then go to your first post (post #2) and you twist my words to say lock.


Then I responded to you using your term that I never wanted to use and immediately realized that was not what I intended at all and changed it at the same time 10:02 that you made your post quoting it. So no, I never said lock in my initial thread. I said likely to make the team. If you want to argue what I acctually said go ahead.



The guys I listed are guys I think are likely to make it. I'd guess 90% or more of the guys I listed will make it. I'd say that meets the requirements for likely.

[Bretsky]

Re: Players that you think are locks

Rodgers
Grant
Jackson
Hall
Lee
Driver
Jennings
Jones
Clifton
Tauscher
Wells
Spitz
Kampman
Pickett
Jolly
Harrell
Jenkins
Hawk
Barnett
Chillar
Poppinga
Harris
Woodson
Tramon Williams
Bigby
Rouse


likely

Colledge
Barbre
Moll
KGB
Collins


I have 31 players that I think will be here next year. The other 22 seem up for grabs.

Probably a pretty good analysis

Moll needs to show more to have a sure spot though

[Brando19]

The whole point was that no matter what happens in the draft, I think the guys I listed in the upper group are locks.

I disagree. If we get Stewart in the first round and Ray Rice in the third, Jackson is out of a job. If we get two high quality CBs in the first three rounds, at least one of which has return experience, Tramon Williams is going to have to compete for this job in training camp. If Jolly's shoulder doesn't heal well and we pick up a value like Pat Sims in the third, Jolly might sit out the year in IR or have a tough training camp battle ahead of him (particularly if one of the DTs we have that we didn't see much of last year like Muir or Bolston has a hell of an offseason).

The fact is, it's impossible to (barring the guys who are borderline probowlers) to predict who is a lock to make the team at this point in the season.

If we're talking about guys who can't possibly lose their jobs barring injury I would say that list consists of:
Rodgers
Jennings
Clifton
Tauscher
Driver
Hawk
Barnett
Woodson
Harris
Kampman
And that's it.

Add Pickett, Jones, Grant, and Wells.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

I disagree. If we get Stewart in the first round and Ray Rice in the third, Jackson is out of a job.

And please explain why we would draft a RB in the first and third round with Grant and Jackson on the roster? I could see maybe taking A Rb if that’s the best player available, but there comes a time when common sense kicks in when you don't take too many players at the same position.

Locks:
Grant
Jackson
Hall
Rodgers
Clifton
Tauscher
Splitz
Colledge
Barbre
Wells
Lee
Driver
Jennings
Jones
Kampman
Jenkins
Harrell
Pickett
Jolly
Chillar
Popp.
Barnett
Hawk
White
Harris
Woodson
Blackman (lock as KR/PR, not CB)
Collins
Bigby
Rouse
Corsbey

[RashanGary]

Rephrase

My original list was guys I thought were going to be here next year. . . .



I still think they will. I still never said lock when you put that word in my mouth. If you're going to be a word nazi, you should watch yours too.

EDIT:

Oh shit, it was on the front of the thread


OK, I'll bend over and someone can kick me in the scrot. I think most people knew what I meant though.

[texaspackerbacker]

Pretty good list.

Crosby has to be on it as a sure thing. I'd include Coston, Montgomery, Ryan, Martin, and Kuhn as likely.

Good job of leaving out any RBs after the top two.

Lurker, why did you leave Grant off your list?

[Bretsky]

Rephrase

My original list was guys I thought were going to be here next year. . . .



I still think they will. I still never said lock when you put that word in my mouth. If you're going to be a word nazi, you should watch yours too.

YES, when I first read "lock" I thought you meant to be very good players

Now that I reread I'd say it's a pretty good analysis

[RashanGary]

Yeah, I communicated what I meant pretty badly. I see the error of my ways. I deserve the flack. I'll edit the original and admit error to Lurker.

[Bretsky]

Yeah, I communicated what I meant pretty badly. I see the error of my ways. I deserve the flack.

And I just got home from tipping a few so it was easy to misread