Official 2008 NFL Draft thread Day 2

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I was watching NFLN and saw under the trade section on the bottom of the screen that the Packers traded Jordy Nelson fr some picks did any of you rats saw this?

ummm, no

[The Leaper]

I was watching NFLN and saw under the trade section on the bottom of the screen that the Packers traded Jordy Nelson for some picks did any of you rats saw this?

Doesn't make sense.

[Tarlam!]

We traded outta 30 to get him, maybe that's what they meant.

[Fritz]

I'm listening to Detroit sports radio, and the talking heads are saying the Lions' brass is happy because "they've addressed their needs." They needed on o-lineman or two, a linebacker, and a running back.

I just think drafting for need is a recipe for disaster.

I also think Cherilus is going to flop - slow footed, too tall.

The linebacker they picked is too small; I don't care how fast he is or what the Tampa two needs to have. He's a safety.

The running back I heard good things about.

[Rastak]

Hmmm, Texans take CB Molden:


Strengths: Has good size and is tall enough to add more bulk to frame. Physical, has excellent upper body strength and flashes the ability to reroute receivers at the line of scrimmage. Opens hips fairly well and is fast enough to run with most NFL receivers. Gets adequate depth, good awareness and can cover a lot of ground when asked to drop into zone coverage. Tough, fills hard when reads run and an adequate open field tackler. Has experience lining up at safety and is somewhat versatile. While missed one game with an injury in 2006 has stayed relatively healthy so durability isn't a concern at this point.

Weaknesses: Faster than quick, doesn't explode out of cuts and is going to have some problems matching up with slot receivers. Doesn't always get great hand placement, can slide off receiver when trying to jam him at the line and lacks the second gear to recover once caught in a trail position. Has big hands but drops too many passes should catch and isn't much of a playmaker in coverage at this point. Played at a small school and there is some concern about ability to adjust to the speed of the game at the NFL level.

Overall: Molden attended Toledo in 2004, appearing in all 13 games as a true freshman. He recorded 12 tackles while playing cornerback, safety and special teams. He transferred to Eastern Kentucky in 2005, and in his first two seasons as a cornerback with the Colonels ('05-'06) he played in 21 games and had 67 tackles (3.5 for losses), two interceptions and two pass breakups. As a senior in 2007, Molden played all 12 games and finished the season with 70 tackles (2.5 for losses), two interceptions and nine pass breakups. He missed one game in 2006 because of an injury. Molden is a small-school prospect who doesn't have ideal explosiveness and should have made more big plays at the Division I-AA level. However, his combination of speed, versatility and size makes him a good value in the seventh round.

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Hmmm, Texans take CB Molden:


Strengths: Has good size and is tall enough to add more bulk to frame. Physical, has excellent upper body strength and flashes the ability to reroute receivers at the line of scrimmage. Opens hips fairly well and is fast enough to run with most NFL receivers. Gets adequate depth, good awareness and can cover a lot of ground when asked to drop into zone coverage. Tough, fills hard when reads run and an adequate open field tackler. Has experience lining up at safety and is somewhat versatile. While missed one game with an injury in 2006 has stayed relatively healthy so durability isn't a concern at this point.

Weaknesses: Faster than quick, doesn't explode out of cuts and is going to have some problems matching up with slot receivers. Doesn't always get great hand placement, can slide off receiver when trying to jam him at the line and lacks the second gear to recover once caught in a trail position. Has big hands but drops too many passes should catch and isn't much of a playmaker in coverage at this point. Played at a small school and there is some concern about ability to adjust to the speed of the game at the NFL level.

Overall: Molden attended Toledo in 2004, appearing in all 13 games as a true freshman. He recorded 12 tackles while playing cornerback, safety and special teams. He transferred to Eastern Kentucky in 2005, and in his first two seasons as a cornerback with the Colonels ('05-'06) he played in 21 games and had 67 tackles (3.5 for losses), two interceptions and two pass breakups. As a senior in 2007, Molden played all 12 games and finished the season with 70 tackles (2.5 for losses), two interceptions and nine pass breakups. He missed one game in 2006 because of an injury. Molden is a small-school prospect who doesn't have ideal explosiveness and should have made more big plays at the Division I-AA level. However, his combination of speed, versatility and size makes him a good value in the seventh round.

damn, wanted him too. texans are just going to screw him up and waste him

[Rastak]

Eagles take DE Bryan Smith:


Strengths: An active up-the-field type of player. At his best when rushing the passer. Displays good initial burst and closing speed. Is instinctive and does a fine job of finding the ball once he penetrates. He shows instincts and playmaking flair as a pass rusher. Good open-field tackler and shows some explosiveness for his size. Closes quickly on the quarterback, knows how to jar the ball loose and has a knack for recovering fumbles. Also does a great job of timing his jumps when he doesn't get to the quarterback and will bat down more than his fair share of passes at the line.

Weaknesses: An undersized collegiate defensive end that must add bulk and strength to hold up even as a rush-linebacker in the NFL. Height is adequate but not great. Plays with a narrow base and will get rag-dolled at the point of attack by bigger, stronger NFL OT's. He won't be able to simply run past his competition in the NFL, so he must improve his array of moves as a pass rusher and use of hands as a run-stopper. Graduated high school in 2002 but first season at McNeese state wasn't until 2005and he will turn 25 years old during November of his rookie season. Played at a small school and there is some concern about ability to adjust to the speed of the game at the NFL level.

Overall: In his first two seasons at McNeese State (2005-'06), Smith appeared in 21 games (12 starts) and recorded 127 tackles (34 for losses) and 20.5 sacks. In 2007, he played 12 games and delivered 60 tackles (22.5 for losses), 10.5 sacks, four forced fumbles and a six-yard fumble return for a touchdown. Last season Smith was named a first team FCS All-American and the Southern Conference's Player of the Year, only the fourth defensive player in the league's history to earn the distinction. His brother, Ryan, played football at Stephen F. Austin. Smith is a small-school defensive end that must make the transition to rush-linebacker in order to make it in the NFL and he shows some upside as a situational pass rusher. However, he is vastly undersized even as a rush-linebacker prospect and he does not display the fluid hips or natural athleticism of an every-down player at that position so he projects as a late round pick or rookie free agent.

[SkinBasket]

Guy I'd like that Packers to get in the 3rd:

Roy Schuening: OG, Oregon St.

I'm rooting for Reggie Smith. For safety.

lol

Yeah. I'm suddenly a big Josh Barrett fan, mainly because I don't want a ND guy.

[Fritz]

I like Shawn Crable. Good player.

Patriots know what they're doing.

[Fritz]

hey, what'd the Lions give up to move up two spots at the beginning of the third?

[Scott Campbell]

With 3 picks in both the 2nd and 4th rounds, this 3rd round seems like a rip off with only 1.

[pack4to84]

hey, what'd the Lions give up to move up two spots at the beginning of the third?

6th rd pick 176

[Guiness]

I think it would be our M.O. to take Brian Johnston in the third.

I'd forgotten about him...he sure was talked up before the draft - yet he's still hanging around.

Although, so is Manningham??? He was projected mid-second, wasn't he? About 10WRs there, and he's sitting at home waiting.

[Rastak]

Cards take WR Doucet:


trengths: Possesses adequate height and is thickly built. Very quick and fluid WR. Shows very good initial burst off the line of scrimmage. He gets open quickly and does a consistently good job of plucking the ball on the run. Possesses very soft hands and is a reliable target. Shows the ability to adjust to the poorly thrown ball and can catch over his head. Not afraid to go over the middle and will secure the ball in traffic. Is aware as a route runner and knows where the first-down marker is at all times. Displays initial quickness and vision after the catch. Also has proven to be an effective open-field runner on reverses and as a kickoff return specialist. Works hard as a run blocker and does a fine job of sustaining once locked on. A proven big-game performer who turned in some of his best performances on the biggest stages (As a junior in 2006 see games versus Tennessee, Alabama and Notre Dame in Sugar Bowl; as a senior in 2007 see games versus Virginia Tech, Auburn, Tennessee in SEC championship and Ohio State in BCS national championship).

Weaknesses: He is more quick than fast. Will not be a big vertical threat in the NFL and lacks elite second-gear to run away from defenders after the catch. Durability is a concern after missing nearly half his senior season. He has spent very little time as the go-to-receiver in college. Will need to improve his array of moves versus press-man coverage. Lacks ideal top-end speed as a return man at the next level. He's thickly built but doesn't run strong and goes down too easily in the open-field. Also needs to improve his patience and learn to allow more time for his blocks to setup.

Overall: During his first three seasons at LSU (2004-'06), Doucet appeared in 37 games (15 starts) and had 103 receptions for 1,521 yards (14.8 average) and 15 touchdowns. As a senior, he played in 10 games (nine starts) and finished the season with 57 receptions for 525 yards (9.2 average) and five TDs. For his career, he also had 12 rushing attempts for 61 yards (5.1 average) and a score; 13 kickoff returns for 220 yards (16.9 average); and four punt returns for 20 yards (5.0 average). Doucet was hindered by a severe groin pull in 2007, missing four games (and virtually all of a fifth). Doucet was a much bigger vertical threat in 2006 when working as the No. 3 receiver behind a pair of first-rounders in Dwayne Bowe (Chiefs, No. 23 overall) and Craig Davis (Chargers, No. 30 overall). When asked to take over as the go-to-target in 2007, Doucet was still reliable but not nearly as explosive. There's a lot to like about Doucet as a No. 2 or No. 3 receiver in the NFL. He is quick and tough with reliable hands and good blocking skills. However, he lacks the deep-speed of a vertical threat and won't get open as consistently in the NFL. Durability issues as a senior won't help his draft stock, either. Overall, Doucet is a bit of an overrated prospect that should not be considered among the elite tier of 2008 receivers. We would not recommend selecting until the second round.

[Rastak]

With 3 picks in both the 2nd and 4th rounds, this 3rd round seems like a rip off with only 1.

How do you think I feel? :P