Official 2008 NFL Draft thread Day 2

[Rastak]

Skins take CB Tryon:


Strengths: Tough and plays more physical than size would suggest. Appears comfortable playing close to the line of scrimmage despite size, can get hands inside receiver's frame and shows serviceable upper body strength. Quick, changes directions well and blankets receivers underneath. Fluid hips, is fast enough to turn and run with most NFL receivers and does a good not great job of turning head back in time to locate the ball. Drops some passes that should catch but can make plays in coverage and is a dangerous open field runner after the catch. Plays with a mean streak and fills hard when reads run. Can get engulfed by blockers but has active hands and flashes the ability to slip bocks in space. Has experience returning kickoffs, has experience covering kicks and can contribute on special teams. Started all 26 games of only two seasons at Arizona State and appears to be durable.

Weaknesses: Never backs away from a challenge but undersized, gets pushed around at times and is going to have some problems matching up with bigger receivers. Short, doesn't have elite leaping ability and isn't going to win many jump balls. Can cover a lot of ground in zone coverage but doesn't show ideal awareness and gets caught out of position at times. Plays too upright, doesn't always explode out of backpedal as a result and can be step slow getting to the ball when plays off the line. While generally wraps up upon contact doesn't break down into a sound tackling position and has some problems bringing bigger ball carriers to the ground. Doesn't explode into tackles and isn't going to deliver many big hits. Character doesn't appear to be a substantial issue but flagged for taunting during 2007 Washington State game an needs to do a better job of controlling emotions on the field at times.

Overall: Tryon attended College of the Canyons (Santa Clarita, Calif.) in 2004 and 2005, earning second-team All-America honors in '05 and helping lead the school to a national championship in '04. He transferred to Arizona State in 2006, starting all 13 games as a junior and finishing the season with 47 tackles (2.5 for losses), one sack, one interception and seven pass breakups. As a senior in 2007, he had 56 tackles (one for a loss), a forced fumble, 16 pass breakups and three interceptions (one of which he returned for a touchdown). In his two years with the Sun Devils, Tryon also had 12 kickoff returns for 372 yards (31.0 average). Tryon is undersized so he is going to have problems matching up with receivers and making plays in run support but he has the quickness, speed, toughness and agility to emerge as an excellent Nickel back who can also return kickoffs. With that in mind, he projects as a fifth round pick.

[Tarlam!]

Packers give up the 30th pick - 620 points,

and get the 36th pick (540 points) and 113th pick (68 points) = 608 points.


So we lost 12 points on this one too.

I think TT has his own board and points. Every time he's traded sofar, we lost out on points with these boards...

[Lurker64]

128 and 135: one of those two should be an RB IMO.

I'd be unhappy if one of them wasn't an OL.

[Scott Campbell]

......................... but we don't think of our spouses as salable objects.

Try being married to 7 at the same time and see if your still singing the same tune.

[red]

we could use a real fullback, not a LB filling in at FB

peyton hills from arkansas

he can run block and catch

[Rastak]

Raiders take WR Shields:


Strengths: Has adequate foot speed and can get a clean release working against press coverage. Possesses good top-end speed, tracks the ball well and can stretch the field. Reads defenses well and can locate seams when sees zone coverage. Uses shoulder to set up breaks and can get inside leverage on defensive backs. Tough and is fearless going over the middle. Catches the ball in-stride and is fluid turning upfield. Stays focused and makes tough catches in traffic. Catches the ball away from frame and isn't going to drop many passes that should catch. Takes pride in blocking and flashes the ability to sustain once in position. Shows good restraint rather than getting flagged for clipping when can't get into position but also has a mean streak and flashes a powerful punch when is able to square up. Plays with emotion and is a competitor. Has experience returning kickoffs and can contribute on special teams.

Weaknesses: Undersized, lacks the frame to comfortably add weight and is going to get pushed around by bigger corners. While is smooth getting in and out of cuts and runs adequate routes, lacks the burst to consistently separate from man coverage. Doesn't time jumps well and isn't going to win many jump balls at this point. Is faster than quick, lacks the elusiveness to make defenders miss in the open field and isn't a big-play threat after the catch. Runs too upright and takes some big hits. Played at a small school and there is some concern about ability to adjust to the speed of the game at the NFL level. Missed 2006 season finale with an injury, missed ten games with a season-ending knee injury in 2007 and durability is a concern.

Overall: Shields redshirted his first year at Richmond. In his first three active seasons (2004-'06), he played in 34 games and combined for 146 receptions for 1,805 yards (12.4 average) and 13 touchdowns. He shredded Vanderbilt for 12 catches and 107 yards in the 2007 opener but in the Spiders' second game suffered a knee injury that essentially cost him the season. (Shields returned weeks later to start and make a 14-yard catch against Rhode Island, but didn't play again the rest of the year.) He also missed Richmond's final game of 2006 because of an injury. Shields has the tools to develop into a reliable sub-package receiver and he started off the 2007 season with a bang catching 12 passes against Division I Vanderbilt. However, a knee injury forced him to miss most of the rest of the season and the injury coupled with the fact that he lacks prototypical explosiveness should make him a late-round pick or rookie free agent.

[Tarlam!]

......................... but we don't think of our spouses as salable objects.

Try being married to 7 at the same time and see if your still singing the same tune.

Hahahahahahahah!

I have trouble convincing a single woman to like me - two at the same time would be a dream. Seven has got to be forbidden!

[Scott Campbell]

Packers give up the 30th pick - 620 points,

and get the 36th pick (540 points) and 113th pick (68 points) = 608 points.


So we lost 12 points on this one too.

I think TT has his own board and points. Every time he's traded sofar, we lost out on points with these boards...

I don't think we lost many point evalutaions in previous years.

He could value far differently from the chart. Say for instance he thought there was a huge drop off after the first 5 picks of the 4th round.

[RashanGary]

Tony Hills, Ahtyba Ruben, Brandon Carr

? ? ?

[Packgator]

This draft is a little discomforting. 1st we dont' have 11 picks, so the odds of getting a bunch of good is going to go way down.

At the same time, when you have 11 picks and a pretty good roster already, you end up cutting a bunch of guys who are pretty good themselves. The Patriots last year drafted 8 guys and ended up cutting 6 of them. I would consider that a failed draft.

Good point. Tough for a bunch of rookies to make the squad this year. Probably one of the reasons TT choose to trade up.

[Scott Campbell]

me thinks he was just admitting he's a perv (in a joking way).

I am the biggest perve on here - as you prolly know best!

Hmmmmm - was there some sort of tryst that didn't make the PR headlines?

[TennesseePackerBacker]

128 and 135: one of those two should be an RB IMO.

Hopefully both O-Linemen, or maybe...1 OL and a sneaky pick like that top punter or their pick of fb's

[GoPackGo]

Carl Nicks OT - Nebraska
top OL left according to esPN

[Rastak]

Titans take WR Hawkins:


Strengths: A quick, fluid and polished receiver. Runs smooth and crisp routes. Effectively uses double moves and subtle head bobs to separate. He knows how to separate from man-coverage and he does an excellent job of plucking the ball on the run. Very natural pass catcher. He stands out on film because of his outstanding initial burst. Uses quick feet to beat the jam at the line and has enough speed to occasionally get over the top of defenders. Gets upfield in a hurry after the catch. Is not afraid to go over the middle and will make the tough catch in traffic. Has some experience returning kicks.

Weaknesses: Smaller target. Lacks ideal size and strength. Is not physical enough. Will get pushed around by some bigger DB's in coverage. Goes down too easily after the catch. Speed is good but not elite. Will not be much of a vertical threat in the NFL. Needs to be more effective as a blocker. Gets in the way most of the time but doesn't work at sustaining and gets pushed around too much in the running game.

Overall: In 2004, Hawkins enrolled at LSU out of high school and participated in spring drills before leaving the school to attend City College of San Francisco CC. In just seven games, he had 23 receptions for 525 yards (22.8 average) and four touchdowns, plus three kickoff returns for 145 yards (48.3 average) and a touchdown, and nine punt returns for 135 yards (15.0 average) and a score. He transferred to Cal in 2005, and over the next two seasons he compiled 64 receptions for 876 yards (13.7 average) and six touchdowns in 22 games (eight starts). Hawkins essentially matched that production in 2007, finishing his senior season with 72 catches for 872 yards (12.1 average) and six TDs in 13 games (two starts). In three seasons with the Golden Bears, he also had 49 kickoff returns for 1,051 yards (21.4 average) and a touchdown, and 13 rushing attempts for 127 yards (9.8 average). Hawkins missed a game in 2005 because of a high left ankle sprain. Hawkins is a bit undersized and he's not very physical. However, he is one of the most underrated receivers in the 2008 class because he's quick, consistent and does almost all the little things correctly. Hawkins is an outstanding route runner that knows how to separate and will catch anything in his neighborhood. Following a strong senior season and an impressive showing at the Senior Bowl, Hawkins has established himself as one of the top-10 receivers in the 2008 class, which likely will land him a spot in Round 2.

[RashanGary]

That shart is flexible to the situation. It depends on the players. Usually Ted has won with the numbers, but sometimes you win sometimes you lose and sometimes when you win you lose. It's just a rough guide.