Now boarding.... the A Car

[Fritz]

Two issues not getting enough attention here are Carroll's lack of instinctual play and his grabbiness. The guy is cocky, young, and fast - but he just doesn't seem to have that innate sense of how to play the ball. He'll be one of those guys who seem to have tight coverage but the receiver catches it anyway. And when he feels he's getting beat, out come the hands.

I hope I'm wrong, but I think I'm right.

[Chester Marcol]

My thought on this is quite simple - it's much more fun to root for Carroll than against him. It's also more fun to take a chance than to back a sure thing.

So...go Ahmad.

Also, we have other players on the team that can fill the scapegoat role this year. Like Billy Cundiff.

It's not like I'm Tank'n on Carroll. Nothing would tickle me more than to have 3 starter quality CB's. If he could just rely on his god given talent and lose his instincts to "cheat" when he feels he's been beat, he'd be alright. I'm just tired of waiting in the pumpkin patch for the Great Pumpkin to show every year and just end up with the reality that I'm sitting amongst gourd sprouting weeds without any trick or treat candy.

[RashanGary]

I'll join....

I don't think he'll "break out", but I do think he'll be a good player this year. I watched him quite extensively at camp and he was obviously the #1 CB with Woodson and Harris away. He's very physical, and his fights mostly start because he's in your face and very physical. I don't think WR's always appreciate his annoying, physical style. In camp he's annoying. In a game, he's going to be fun to watch.

I think people remember that rookie season in wich he never should have played and cannot get that out of their heads. I believe he has made steady improvements adn will continue those this year. He looked very strong, fast and quick at camp. He's cocky and in your face even when it's practice. He's only 22 or whatever so guys don't want to see it, but he's going to give it anyway.

I think Carroll is going to be a good player. The best thing about him is that he'll probably never demand a huge pay day because he's a little small and cocky. So he'll get paid small but play big. If he does not perform at a high level this year, I am off his wagon. I think he will though.

[The Leaper]

See, that's the place where I, and others, will part ways....

To have a 'Breakout' season then that means something special. Just playing solid football is not the equivilent to something special.

Yes...

Or to put it into an example...

Javon Walker in 2003 was not a breakout. He played well, and showed he was a starting caliber WR in the NFL. The second half of the season he was one of the best 15 WRs in football. However, doing over 16 games means something.

Javon Walker in 2004 was a breakout.

I don't see Carroll doing what Walker did in 2004. However, he could easily do what Walker did in 2003...stepping in and playing high quality football that secures a starting spot in 2007.

[Packers4Ever]

I voted no, not because I don't think Carroll will show the ability, but because he won't be given the opportunity. Woodson has a HUGE chip on his shoulder and wants to prove something to the entire NFL. Barring injury he will perform and if the rumors of Harris' discontent with his contract are true, he will play like a player in a contract year. I think Coach Mac might hesitate to put him in at corner unless there's an injury looking at his play last year. I think Carroll will play like a corner stuck in the nickelback position.

Oh I hope not, Zig. No Carroll fan here over the past 2 seasons either, I did as much screaming as anyone when he'd pull one of his stupid penalties and there were MANY. But I read about Coach Sherman's private talk with him sometime during last season and it sounded like he might be ready to shape up and start playing smart back then. I think the guy really has a lot of ability if he's able to play his position well and watching his mouth, etc...won't hurt either. I'd hate to see him ride out of here like another McKenzie or Walker, both talented players.
Anyway, I voted Yes on him.

[red]

Too bad he's as dumb as A Car

i don't know guys, i've watched every snap he's played, and i don't see the potential some of the rest of you see. if he had the talent that you guys claim to see, i don't think we would have had to drop a ton of money on a guy to take his starting spot.

so far to me he's a bust IMO, i first round pick going into his third season should have showed us by now that he was capable of being a #1 CB. so far he's proven he couldn't even be a #2, and might not even be a #3 if he can't pull his head out of his ass and hawkins or blackmon can show us something in TC

and didn't he just get into a fight with a teamate agint this offseason? he hasn't learn anything, he's still as dumb as a brick

he's like freddie mitchell on the other side of the ball. all talk, and too damn stupid to be able to back it up

[esoxx]

Carroll is often compared with Buckley. However, there's two glaring differences between the players: Carroll is a much more physical player than Buckley ever was. He doesn't "play small" like Buckley.

Meanwhile, Buckley had very good ball hawking skills and ball instincts. It's what essentially kept him in the league all those years. Carroll has very poor balls skills by comparison.

BTW, I voted no.

[Bretsky]

What Red and Esoxx said

[MadtownPacker]

Still boarding.....

[retailguy]

Still boarding.....

Not sure it'll be "breakout", but he'll get a lot of playing time. His coverage skills really aren't that bad, he really lacking consistency though. Love the attitude change, hope that continues...

[PCastleberg]

I voted yes.

This HAS to be his breakout year. My concept of breakout for him means breaking out of the bad habits, and maturing under the tutelage of both Woodson and Harris.

Anyone who believes that Harris is old, average, and lost a step at age 31 is crazy. That guy has been nothing but consistently tough and has been more than effective since we acquired him from Philedelphia.

Same here Captain...I LOVE your sig, when I read that in the paper I thought it was the best line I had seen in a while!

PC

[Bretsky]

Still boarding.....

Come on Mad; look for a good cause to fight. You'll need to start offering bribes or hottie latinos to get this train full.

[Partial]

Anyone else think Carroll would make an excellent strong-in-the-box safety? He may not be the biggest but he's fearless.

[MadtownPacker]

Still boarding.....

Come on Mad; look for a good cause to fight. You'll need to start offering bribes or hottie latinos to get this train full.

Pleae B, latinas. You just said hot dudes. Always use an "a" to feminize it.


But watch out, Carroll is gonna take somebody's job. Is it gonna be Harrisment or Woodson? Thats the only question.

[b bulldog]

Size and maturity are his limitations and so are his hands