Brett speculation from LeRoy Butler

[Packnut]

Re: Favre

Favre can force TT to release him.

How?

He reports to traing camp. He never filed his retirement papers with the NFL so technically he still is not retired.

[Tarlam!]

Re: Favre

....we're set up at QB
and he'll do his best to make a deal to trade Favre.

We might be set up, but we're not set.

We have 2 1/2 rookies to play the position. It's conceivable that Flynn hits the PS if Favre comes back.

[Packers4Ever]

[quote="hoosier"]I am less inclined to believe that Favre is seriously contemplating coming back (thought it's possible he doesn't know what he wants) and more inclined to think that he's addicted to the media spotlight. If that's the case, he doesn't need to come back at all, he just needs to keep dropping these tantalizing hints...until November comes and it's time to get off the pot. I think we just need to be patient for the next six months or so. and then the whole thing will just die its quiet little death.[/quote

I don't think Brett will seriously consider returning although I'm sure it goes through his head at odd times.
I don't think he's addicted to media spotlight either, getting a lot of attention on the football field is one thing - in front of a camera answering questions is quite another. You can tell by the way he answers questions, he doesn't appear too comfortable and it comes out in his speech.

Much as I love Brett and know how much we'll miss him (and that will probably never go away) we're over the hump now and looking forward to
a new season - speaking of which, it was great to see the draft go so well, sounds like Ted had a good time too !

[The Leaper]

I didn't hear any indecisiveness in his retirement press conference.

Whatever.

Favre said the phrase "I don't know" about 100 different times during that week when he retired. When pressed about how he felt, he always said "I don't know.

I heard all kinds of indecisiveness when Favre retired...and was quite vocal about the fact that I thought Favre was making a mistake. That isn't to say that I think retiring was a mistake...but that he made the decision too quickly without allowing himself adequate time to decompress from a whirlwind season.

I also don't buy the bullshit about the Packers putting a timeline on Brett. Why? What the hell was the rush? They had an adequate backup in Rodgers who could step in anytime when Favre bowed out. The Packers were set either way, so Favre's decision really had no impact on them.

[texaspackerbacker]

Re: Brett

It's pretty obvious by now that Favre knows he made a HUGE mistake. He let the sour ending in the Giants game guide his emotions. His retiring was just plain dumb and un-called for. How many times in how many sports have we seen a basically young team get to the mountain top only to get pushed back and then make it back all the way.

Had Favre come back, the SB was a very possible reality. But ya know what?
It's to late. I love Favre more than words can express, but it's over now. He's the one that screwed up and now he has to take responsibility for it.

This is now the A-Rod show and Brett need's to enjoy his lovely wife, beautiful daughters and all that cash and just fade away.............

After reading all the posts of the thread, I think this one has it nailed. Packnut also has the best avatar.

[Pacopete4]

I dont understand why people are saying it's too late? We are not even to mini camp yet. What is he missing that he would be doing if he did not retire? I understand that Arod would be jerked around but really, who cares? Isn't the best thing for the Packers is to have the best available on the field? Well thats Brett Favre. Even if you want a new era to start (which, why the hell would u?) Brett Favre is our best option at least for this season. Hell the best thing might be him coming back giving Brohm a year to learn and take over.

[Sammy4Pack]

Nick, I heard that call on the radio today. hAVEL DID SAY REPEATEDLY that if he was Brett, he would have just kept saying that he was going to come back and than once camp opened, if he still didn't feel like he wanted to be there, he could have than retired.

this whole thing seems really F'd up.

that train of thought is stupid. BF would never have strung the team along beyond the draft not knowing if he wanted to return.

sure hope the rumor is not true. my view of TT will be far less if in fact they gave him some deadline.

if all this is true and TT would deny him to return, how would he explain that to the Packer nation? believe it or not, packer fans, seemingly unlike many here, would like to see him return.

[pbmax]

Re: Favre

He will be hard pressed to trade that contract with a large salary in the middle of training camp. If Favre shows up in the 3rd or fourth week of August, he might be able to force a release. And with a large contract and less than a full pre-season to prepare, teams would be wise to lowball and see if he makes it to FA.

And, if Favre needs to renegotiate that contract in order to be traded, he will then be in the driver's seat. He will have a veto over who and when. We'll know sometime after June 1, if Thompson is sitting on his normal cap availability PLUS $10 million, then he is thinking about this too.

On the flip-side, no one will be under more pressure than Murph and the Magictones this season if they are the people who trade/release Favre.

I would back them if he showed up that late, but I am guessing I'd be in the minority. And for the record, the first week of March is not much of a deadline, if indeed Havel has this right. It was the same timing as before, shortly before Free Agency opened.

Favre can force TT to release him.

How?

Won't be any releasing IMO

If it happens it starts with Favre letting TT know he wants to continue playing

TT either accepting Favre back or letting him know thanks....we're set up at QB
and he'll do his best to make a deal to trade Favre.

[Joemailman]

I didn't hear any indecisiveness in his retirement press conference.

Whatever.

Favre said the phrase "I don't know" about 100 different times during that week when he retired. When pressed about how he felt, he always said "I don't know.

I heard all kinds of indecisiveness when Favre retired...and was quite vocal about the fact that I thought Favre was making a mistake. That isn't to say that I think retiring was a mistake...but that he made the decision too quickly without allowing himself adequate time to decompress from a whirlwind season.

I also don't buy the bullshit about the Packers putting a timeline on Brett. Why? What the hell was the rush? They had an adequate backup in Rodgers who could step in anytime when Favre bowed out. The Packers were set either way, so Favre's decision really had no impact on them.

My recollection is the Packers did not set a timeline. In fact, McCarthy did just the opposite. He told Favre to take his time making a decision, and to make sure he was totally committed if he decided to come back. Favre's statement at the press conference which was something along the lines of "I know I can still play. I don't think I want to" suggests he just wasn't willing to make that commitment. Why he felt he had to make a decision as early as he did is not clear to me.

[Bretsky]

I didn't hear any indecisiveness in his retirement press conference.

Whatever.

Favre said the phrase "I don't know" about 100 different times during that week when he retired. When pressed about how he felt, he always said "I don't know.

I heard all kinds of indecisiveness when Favre retired...and was quite vocal about the fact that I thought Favre was making a mistake. That isn't to say that I think retiring was a mistake...but that he made the decision too quickly without allowing himself adequate time to decompress from a whirlwind season.

I also don't buy the bullshit about the Packers putting a timeline on Brett. Why? What the hell was the rush? They had an adequate backup in Rodgers who could step in anytime when Favre bowed out. The Packers were set either way, so Favre's decision really had no impact on them.

My recollection is the Packers did not set a timeline. In fact, McCarthy did just the opposite. He told Favre to take his time making a decision, and to make sure he was totally committed if he decided to come back. Favre's statement at the press conference which was something along the lines of "I know I can still play. I don't think I want to" suggests he just wasn't willing to make that commitment. Why he felt he had to make a decision as early as he did is not clear to me.

Only a few know what really went on; Havel might be one of them

[sheepshead]

I think Brett wants to play football. I think we'll see more of this sort of thing over the next few months. As soon as he got as emotional as he did on his March 4 presser, I thought --he isn't done.

I also don't think it's TT's or MM's job to woo him back or kiss his ass in the off season. I coach travel baseball and there is a huge difference in kids that want to be there and in-house kids whos parents sign them up on in-house teams. More specifically I never, unless I have no choice, put a kid on the mound that isn't up for it, one way or another. I think the same thing applies here. QB in the NFL is a big job. You cant have a guy who is under center unless he's in there 110%. Begging a guy to come back doesnt get that result. TT knows it, MM knows it and Brett knows it. It's difficult for him because he's an emotional guy. Wears his heart on his sleeve for all of us to see. There will be drama, no doubt. But what were likely talking about is one more year and if he's not up for everything that's involved in that year, we're all better off with Aaron Rodgers under center.

[3irty1]

I think Brett wants to concentrate on baseball under the alter ego "Geoff Jenkins." I think its obvious that there is a correlation between his move to the Phillies and Brett's retirement.

[The Leaper]

I think Brett wants to play football. I think we'll see more of this sort of thing over the next few months. As soon as he got as emotional as he did on his March 4 presser, I thought --he isn't done.

I agree. To me, it seemed like he was forcing himself to make the decision when he really wasn't sure...thus all the tears. He said mostly the right things...that he just couldn't handle it anymore. However, he did not seem to be a man truly at peace with his decision then...and it ain't likely to get any better in the months ahead.

If you truly reach the decision that you can't go on anymore...and have had the great career and success that Favre has had...your retirement should be a moment of celebration, not bawling. Dan Marino had a hell of a lot more to cry about when he retired...did he cry like a busted hooker?

[KYPack]

I so sick of the speculation and "on again, off again" mentality of this situation.

There is stuff leaking out of the Favre camp. His brothers and Bus Cook have spilled a lot of beans about Brett's frustrations over the years. This stuff is a little unfair, because they get to see the Brett that is "behind the curtain".

I've always felt that Brett made this announcement a little premature. He had that long season. The Giant game really took it's toll on him. He was at a point where he needed to start his off-season work routine shortly and just couldn't do it any more. He could play that fall, but couldn't handle the off-season prep. Now that his head is clear, he's starting to wonder. His appearance on Letterman showed some of that. The Letterman thing also showed a little of Brett's personality. BF is an imp. He likes to joke, kid around, and can be a little goofy at times. Very hard to tell if he's kidding or having second thoughts. Probably both, to an extent.

I guess we have to go thru it with him, but man, this shit is driving me nuts.

[Packnut]

Favre

I think perception will play a big part in this drama (unless Favre has another change of heart and stays retired).

Does Thompson want to be known as the guy who did the nice thing and give Brett his release or would he rather be the guy who traded a legend?

I also really did'nt consider the flip side as to how the Packer nation will view this whole thing. If Favre wants back in, will there be an over-riding scream from fans wanting him back? Would it force Thompson to reverse his current position?

I also wonder what MM really thinks about all this. I mean, from a football perspective, his job is much easier with Favre playing. He can open this offense up and do what-ever he wants. With Rodgers, he's more restricted.