Marvin harrison involved in shooting? yeas that marvin

[Guiness]

Gotta say this whole thing surprises me as well - he appears to have kept his nose clean for his reasonably long career, but maybe there are some skeletons in the closet? Either he's the victim of what happens to presidential candidates, i.e. dig enough, and everybody's done something or until now he's just been good at hiding stuff, and now the cover has been blown off.

As far as ballistics, I think that threatening guy covered most of it, but here's my spiel.

Once they recovered the bullet and found it to be the reasonably rare round that it was (commercially available, a single manufacturer, not popular in NA), it was something they could use to find the perpetrator.

Once they found out the owner of the bar owned such a firearm, they certainly had reasonable suspicious to request it for testing...which it turn showed it was the firearm used.

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Gotta say this whole thing surprises me as well - he appears to have kept his nose clean for his reasonably long career, but maybe there are some skeletons in the closet? Either he's the victim of what happens to presidential candidates, i.e. dig enough, and everybody's done something or until now he's just been good at hiding stuff, and now the cover has been blown off.

As far as ballistics, I think that threatening guy covered most of it, but here's my spiel.

Once they recovered the bullet and found it to be the reasonably rare round that it was (commercially available, a single manufacturer, not popular in NA), it was something they could use to find the perpetrator.

Once they found out the owner of the bar owned such a firearm, they certainly had reasonable suspicious to request it for testing...which it turn showed it was the firearm used.

that and the fact that the guy got into an argument with harrison moment before in the bar, an harrison was follwing behind the guy down the street after the guy left the bar

the, then bang bang bang

[GrnBay007]

Here's an interesting article about "the gun"



Regardless of outcome, Harrison has already misfired
By Mike Freeman, CBS sports

Marvin Harrison allegedly owns a Belgian Fabrique Nationale 5.7 firearm. Previously when I thought Belgian, I thought waffles. No longer. They apparently make both delicious pastries and potent little weapons.

"In November (2005) the Homeland Security Department issued an 'Officer Safety Alert' regarding the (BFN 5.7) with the headline 'body armor defeating handgun,'" reported the Associated Press. "The alert said the Trumbull, Conn., police department had seized such a pistol and noted that its bullets were 'advertised as being able to penetrate 48 layers of Kevlar at 50 meters.'"

Why exactly would a civilian need such a weapon?

To take down Ironman?

From the website enemyforces.com: "The "Five-seveN" Self-loading Pistol is a new generation and conception weapon. Technically it is classified as an ordinary submachine gun but tactically it is a Personal Defense Weapon. To remind: the PD Weapons are mainly used by drivers, staff personnel, artillery crew, and other second line soldiers ..."

Artillery crew? Apparently Harrison was preparing to do battle with a Romulan warbird.

And: "Cartridge recoil power is threefold lower than the standard NATO 5.56 x 45 mm (.223 Rem) cartridges."

It's not often you're going to see the words "NATO" and "Marvin Harrison" in the same sentence.

"It doesn't take much imagination to see this cartridge changing the direction of law enforcement weaponry in the new millennium," wrote American Handgunner about the BFN. "The Five-seveN might well serve as standard issue for officers in a crowded urban setting and the P-90 could be used by special teams and thus retain commonality of ammunition."

And by "special teams" I'm assuming they don't mean punt return coverage.

Does it bother anyone that an NFL player allegedly owns a gun in which its main attraction to potential buyers is the fact its ammunition can penetrate body armor? Body armor most times worn by police?

Don't get your guntotin' panties in a bunch. It's just a question.

And please stop waving the Second Amendment in my face like it's a ticket to a Springsteen concert. Nobody's trying to take your gat away.

You call me an anti-gun media weenie. I see that and raise you Columbine (13 dead, 23 wounded), the University of Texas massacre (14 dead, 31 wounded), Virginia Tech (32 dead), Northern Illinois (five dead, 18 wounded), the Red Lake High School massacre (seven dead) and the Jonesboro school massacre (five dead, nine wounded).

Just to name a few school shootings of innocent women and kids.

But I digress.

This has nothing to do with the Second Amendment or someone trying to pry the gun from your cold, dead hands. So cease with the phony, false choices.

Keep your firearms. I target shoot. I'm ex-Army (basic training at Ft. Sill in Oklahoma where I was the worst shooter of an M-16 probably in that base's history).

This is more about athletes, guns and their continued mistaken impression that owning one automatically means you're better protected.

No charges have been filed against Harrison and it's wholly possible the Indianapolis wide receiver had nothing to do with a shooting outside of his bar, Playmakers, located in Harrison's hometown of Philadelphia.

The fact Harrison owns that weapon and possibly many others prove what NFL players have told me in the past. Several have estimated that 70-80 percent of all NFL players own some sort of firearm and many of those carry guns on them for protection.

There may be numerous unknown incidents where owning a handgun saved an athlete's life. It just seems guns get players in more trouble than get them out of it.

That message continually seems to be missed by today's players.

Athletes admittedly have a difficult line to walk. They are targets of beer goggled, pot-bellied wanna-be's and genuine first-class thugs and hyenas.

Yet packing high-powered weaponry might not be the best way to protect yourself. Tempers and ego can drastically affect judgment, leading to the very situation an athlete is trying to avoid.

Even highly trained police officers, on rare occasions, have difficulty maintaining their cool in the heat of the moment. See: Diallo, Amadou, New York.

Harrison may have purchased his weapon strictly as a collection gem or as some form of protection. He owns, according to media reports, some several dozen guns. Thus making him Dirty Harry Harrison.

Harrison might not have fired a single shot in this incident but he's learning even non-discharged guns can still get a professional athlete into plenty of trouble.

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and today this tory takes an odd twist

WILD CLAIMS IN HARRISON CASE
Posted by Mike Florio on May 6, 2008, 7:01 a.m.

We were alerted last night to some eye-popping claims regarding the Marvin Harrison case made by Philly sports anchor Keith Russell during a Monday afternoon radio spot in Miami. And so we tracked down the audio, and we have given it a listen.

Appearing with Jason Jackson on WQAM, Russell said that his sources tell him that the guy who was allegedly shot in the hand after leaving Harrison’s bar last Tuesday had come to the establishment to carry out a gangland-style “hit.”

A “hit” on Harrison.

Seriously.

Russell said during the segment that the issue relates to Harrison’s father, who is (per Russell) incarcerated, and that the supposed “hit” was in retaliation for something Harrison’s father supposedly had done.

Media sources in Philadelphia tell us that the contention, which Russell apparently hasn’t made on the air in his home market, is simply not true.

Russell also said that there are “people who are willing to do whatever is necessary” to keep Harrison from facing charges.

[GrnBay007]

LOL....gangs, hits being ordered, prison retaliation. The whole truth will never be known on this deal whether they make an arrest or not.

[the_idle_threat]

Here come the gun banners, getting some face time after the latest headline.

Regardless of outcome, Harrison has already misfired
By Mike Freeman, CBS sports

Marvin Harrison allegedly owns a Belgian Fabrique Nationale 5.7 firearm. Previously when I thought Belgian, I thought waffles. No longer. They apparently make both delicious pastries and potent little weapons.

"In November (2005) the Homeland Security Department issued an 'Officer Safety Alert' regarding the (BFN 5.7) with the headline 'body armor defeating handgun,'" reported the Associated Press. "The alert said the Trumbull, Conn., police department had seized such a pistol and noted that its bullets were 'advertised as being able to penetrate 48 layers of Kevlar at 50 meters.'"

Why exactly would a civilian need such a weapon?

To take down Ironman?

From the website enemyforces.com: "The "Five-seveN" Self-loading Pistol is a new generation and conception weapon. Technically it is classified as an ordinary submachine gun but tactically it is a Personal Defense Weapon. To remind: the PD Weapons are mainly used by drivers, staff personnel, artillery crew, and other second line soldiers ..."

Artillery crew? Apparently Harrison was preparing to do battle with a Romulan warbird.

And: "Cartridge recoil power is threefold lower than the standard NATO 5.56 x 45 mm (.223 Rem) cartridges."

It's not often you're going to see the words "NATO" and "Marvin Harrison" in the same sentence.

"It doesn't take much imagination to see this cartridge changing the direction of law enforcement weaponry in the new millennium," wrote American Handgunner about the BFN. "The Five-seveN might well serve as standard issue for officers in a crowded urban setting and the P-90 could be used by special teams and thus retain commonality of ammunition."

And by "special teams" I'm assuming they don't mean punt return coverage.

Does it bother anyone that an NFL player allegedly owns a gun in which its main attraction to potential buyers is the fact its ammunition can penetrate body armor? Body armor most times worn by police?

Don't get your guntotin' panties in a bunch. It's just a question.

Mr. Freeman, you're apparently lost in hysteria over this particular gun, and you've obviously missed the fact that the BATFE has declared this gun to NOT be armor-piercing. See here: http://www.atf.gov/firearms/firearmstech/fabriquen.htm

It's only certain ammunition for this gun that can be armor piercing---not the gun itself---and although the gun is capable of firing ammo that is armor piercing, that ammo cannot legally be sold in the U.S. According to the BATFE link above: "commercial sales of 5.7 X 28mm ammunition are restricted to the SS196" type, which is "not armor piercing ammunition." So the cops and the military might have the armor piercing stuff, but everyday people are not running around with it.

Of course, many commercially available guns are capable of firing armor-piercing ammo, including most hunting rifles. I wonder if Mr. Freeman is aware of that?

And please stop waving the Second Amendment in my face like it's a ticket to a Springsteen concert. Nobody's trying to take your gat away.

You call me an anti-gun media weenie. I see that and raise you Columbine (13 dead, 23 wounded), the University of Texas massacre (14 dead, 31 wounded), Virginia Tech (32 dead), Northern Illinois (five dead, 18 wounded), the Red Lake High School massacre (seven dead) and the Jonesboro school massacre (five dead, nine wounded).

Just to name a few school shootings of innocent women and kids.

Nothing like throwing in lurid references to school shootings, despite the fact that none of them are related to this story in any way. None involved this type of firearm and none of them involved a person wearing body armor. So if it's the "armor piercing" label that wigs you out so much, school shootings have nothing to do with it.

But I digress.

You certainly do.

This has nothing to do with the Second Amendment or someone trying to pry the gun from your cold, dead hands. So cease with the phony, false choices.

Please cease with the phony, false strawman arguments.

Keep your firearms. I target shoot. I'm ex-Army (basic training at Ft. Sill in Oklahoma where I was the worst shooter of an M-16 probably in that base's history).

You just said you can't hit the broad side of the barn with a rifle, and you want people to believe you target shoot?

This guy saying he "target shoots" reminds me of racists who say they have black friends.

This is more about athletes, guns and their continued mistaken impression that owning one automatically means you're better protected.

Mistaken impression says who? Says the guy who admittedly can't hit the broad side of a barn?

And to be accurate, this story is about a media guy with a pulpit and an anti-gun bias.

No charges have been filed against Harrison and it's wholly possible the Indianapolis wide receiver had nothing to do with a shooting outside of his bar, Playmakers, located in Harrison's hometown of Philadelphia.

The fact Harrison owns that weapon and possibly many others prove what NFL players have told me in the past. Several have estimated that 70-80 percent of all NFL players own some sort of firearm and many of those carry guns on them for protection.

There may be numerous unknown incidents where owning a handgun saved an athlete's life. It just seems guns get players in more trouble than get them out of it.

Speculate much? Clearly you don't know what you're talking about.

How could it "seem" that guns get athletes get in more trouble than guns get them out of if you admit you have no idea how often guns might have gotten an athlete out of a jam?

That message continually seems to be missed by today's players.

Maybe because they learn how to tune out bullshit.

Athletes admittedly have a difficult line to walk. They are targets of beer goggled, pot-bellied wanna-be's and genuine first-class thugs and hyenas.

You admit this, and yet you say they are clearly wrong to want to go armed? It's so easy to say they should go unarmed when it's them, not you.

Yet packing high-powered weaponry might not be the best way to protect yourself. Tempers and ego can drastically affect judgment, leading to the very situation an athlete is trying to avoid.

More speculation. I can specualte too. High-powered weaponry might be the very best way to protect one's self if you're a public target. It's certainly true that many, many famous people are protected by "high-powered weaponry," whether they themselves are carrying or they have "people" for that. (See bodyguards or *ahem* Secret Service).

Even highly trained police officers, on rare occasions, have difficulty maintaining their cool in the heat of the moment. See: Diallo, Amadou, New York.

Let's drop another name of an unrelated high-profile case where things went to the worst-case scenario.

It seems this type of thing should happen all the time if "70-80 percent of all NFL players" own firearms and many carry them for protection, as is stated above. Of course, the reality is that it doesn't happen.

Harrison may have purchased his weapon strictly as a collection gem or as some form of protection. He owns, according to media reports, some several dozen guns. Thus making him Dirty Harry Harrison.

Harrison might not have fired a single shot in this incident but he's learning even non-discharged guns can still get a professional athlete into plenty of trouble.

Plenty of trouble with media guys who have a pulpit and an anti-gun bias. It remains to be seen what happens in the actual case. And for the record, the actual case exists because the gun was discharged. If Harrison committed a crime, he should be charged for it. But owning this gun was not the problem.

If Harrison was truly a target of some thug---whether the guy was there to perform a "hit" or the guy just had a grudge from being thrown out of Harrison's bar a couple weeks before (as is supported by articles I've read)---Harrison might very well be dead right now if he didn't have this gun.

I guess this writer would call that a better outcome.

[Guiness]

Here's an interesting article about "the gun"



Regardless of outcome, Harrison has already misfired
By Mike Freeman, CBS sports

[snip...]

Ah, standard liberal media stuff - he makes some points, but tosses around the political footballs like Columbine, et al. In Canada, every time we have gun play, the 14 women who got shot at Ecole Polytechnique gets trotted out. Both terrible events, to be sure, but also both single, isolated events.

The truth is that the gun isn't some doomsday device. It's of the type prefered for military use. High velocity, flat shooting, armour penetrating. Downside is that it also has a small bullet that doesn't rip big holes. For street combat type shootings (i.e. 20' from your target) a .45 or .357 is much more effective at causing them bleed out in a matter of minutes.

edit: once again, idle is quite right...the gun isn't armour piercing, unless loaded with the proper (steel jacketed, likely) ammunition. Although, even if that style of ammunition isn't 'commercially' available, it's not big deal to reload and make it yourself.

[The Leaper]

22,000 people died from a cyclone.

Can we ban cyclones?

[GrnBay007]

LOL didn't take long to get the gun supporters fired up!

take a couple deep breaths guys, it was just an article.

[Guiness]

Meh - I'm not a gun supporter, actually. I just know balderdash when I see it

I don't like people crying "WOLF!!!!" when there's a Labrador puppy walking down the street.

[BlueBrewer]

saying guns kill people is like saying pencils mis-spell words


I heard this somewhere, and I liked it.

[the_idle_threat]

LOL didn't take long to get the gun supporters fired up!

take a couple deep breaths guys, it was just an article.

Who's fired up? We're just responding to the article.

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looks like there might be a lot more to marvin harrison that we didn't know about

but might soon be finding out

http://deadspin.com/388589/has-marvin-harrisons-shady-past-and-present-finally-caught-up-to-him

[Scott Campbell]

I'm thinking that it's looking pretty unlikely that he ever suits up again.

[the_idle_threat]

I'm thinking that it's looking pretty unlikely that he ever suits up again.

Way too soon to tell, IMO.

They say that 6 of the 7 shell casings matched his gun. What about the seventh one? If that casing came from a different weapon, then who's to say Marvin wasn't shooting in self-defense?

There are still some facts that need to come out.