I miss him

[Bretsky]

If you want a scapegoat for the Giants loss why not take it out on the key player that stunk up the joint. Al Harris is the one who should be catching hell for the Gints loss,not Favre.

I fully agree, and i admit, I forgot about how bad Al' played.

None the less, I stand by my point. The same guy that brought us back from a 14 point deficit 1 week earlier played terribly againbst the Giants. Maybe MM should have sat him for a series, just to clear his head or something.

Look everyone, as PIP pointed out, I bought the guys jersey. The real one for some 220 USD, so I am a #4 fan.

I'm not blind is all.

I was at the game; I think BF played poorly from the middle of the third quarter on. He was horrid in quarter four. I kept thinking he'll break out this series. But everything was off balance. Being there, though, also allowed me to see how the Giants had more players covering our receivers than we had receivers most of the time because we were in max protect mode. We were playing not to lose; that was a bit disappointing.

That being said, there were still some other key plays I mentioned before that could have led to our win. We just didn't make it happen.

[Tarlam!]

I am not saying Brett is soley responsible for the loss. I am saying, he didn't play well.

As KY put it, he didn't lose it, but, he didn't win it either. The week before, he was the catalyst to get the team going. Shit, 6 consecutive scores on possessions. Is that a record?

I missed that. That's all I am saying.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Obviously, you aren't going to bench a guy who played at or near MVP level all year--because he had a handful of bad series in a close playoff game. Especially for a guy who had played one meaningful game in his entire NFL career. Really, take away the last throw and he didn't play any worse than Manning. It was tough conditions. Manning made plays at the end. Brett didn't. End of story.

[GrnBay007]

I am not saying Brett is soley responsible for the loss. I am saying, he didn't play well.

As KY put it, he didn't lose it, but, he didn't win it either.

We've been spoiled with the great play of a great QB all these years.

[Tarlam!]

Obviously, you aren't going to bench a guy who played at or near MVP level all year--because he had a handful of bad series in a close playoff game.

No, instead you watch helplessly as the game goes down the toilette!

Look, I am not an expert at football. But it was clear to me, the QB wasn't functioning. As a manager, I knew, it was time to try something else. Would it have worked? I doubt it, but, I would have tried.

[HarveyWallbangers]

No, instead you watch helplessly as the game goes down the toilette!

No, you expect your MVP caliber QB to make plays to win the game. Just like he did against Philadelphia early in the year when things were tough to come by. Or like he did against the Giants earlier in the year. Or like he did against San Diego with the game winner to Jennings. Or like he did against Minnesota twice--once at their place in a relatively close game. Or like he did against Denver with the game winner to Jennings in OT. Or like he did against Kansas City in a tight ballgame with the game winner to Jennings. Or like he did against Seattle in the playoffs the week before after you fell behind 14-0. Or like he did at Detroit after the Lions had tightened the game.

Look. Favre has a history to fall back on. A history that says that even when he's having a poor afternoon, he can shake it off and make plays to win the game. You aren't going to bring ARod in after having played one meaningful game in his career--especially in a ballgame you led most of the way and with windy and bitterly cold conditions.

[Tarlam!]

Harvey, he was playing really well in all of those games you mention, except Philly, where he played shit and the STs won it, not Favre.

In the Championship game, he played shit, too. And he didn't get better. He didn't even look like he wanted to be there. The week before, he saved us with his play and passion and all that stuff. IMHO, Green Bay wouldn't have even been in the game without the #4 from a week earlier, so it's pretty mute.

I am just saying, I woulda sent in A-Rod for a series to let Brett know I expect more.

But I also agree something should have been done to help Harris.

[packrulz]

I agree with Tarlam, Brett did not look like he wanted to be out there against the Giants, maybe that's why he retired, he said himself he wasn't sure he could give 100% anymore. I thought MM should've ran the ball more and call some play action slants or curls to get in field goal range in that game, so I don't blame it all on Brett. I do get tired of making the playoffs though only to have it end on a head scratching interception, I want them to win the Super Bowl, not just get there. He had a HOF career and will be missed, but I prefer to look forward to more Packer wins with ARod or Brohm.

[cpk1994]

If you want a scapegoat for the Giants loss why not take it out on the key player that stunk up the joint. Al Harris is the one who should be catching hell for the Gints loss,not Favre.

Harris should be cut some slack; A number of the catches made on him were ridiculous tiptoe catches on the sideline that no CB could cover.

[Tarlam!]

Harris should be cut some slack; A number of the catches made on him were ridiculous tiptoe catches on the sideline that no CB could cover.

Harris was soundly beaten that day. And that's cutting him a lot of slack.

The coaches should have reacted. Plaxico was carving us up and we still left it up to Harris alone. That's not Al's fault. That is squarely on Sanders and, to a degree, M3.

[Deputy Nutz]

You could tell, no matter how bad anyone wanted the Pack to win, Favre wanted it more.

Well, maybe I'll get lynched. But I could not tell that against the Giants. Sorry, Favre should have been benched. He looked old, cold and disinterested.

Now, the week before, he looked better than anytime in his entire career! A brilliant player.

But that Giants game. Sorry.

Thinks about what you are saying; he had a great game in Seattle. He was off his game, especially in the second half

But you don't bench your starting QB. You don't bench a HOF QB who has had one of his best seasons thus far. He can turn it off and on and was certainly capable of a great play at any time........or a bad one.

Sure it's easy to say in retrospect.....but think about it. If AROD comes in and makes one bad play....makes any bad play.......well........poor MM and AROD.....fan mutiny......all kinds of terrible things could occur.

And you don't pull an experienced and successful QB for somebody who has never started a NFL game....never played in a playoff game. No way

He drinks a lot folks, sometimes you get these kind of responses, besides he follows soccer.

[Tarlam!]

He drinks a lot folks, sometimes you get these kind of responses, besides he follows soccer.

That is the most slanderous thing you've ever said to anybody on here, Nutz.

I DO NOT follow soccer!

[Deputy Nutz]

Obviously, you aren't going to bench a guy who played at or near MVP level all year--because he had a handful of bad series in a close playoff game.

No, instead you watch helplessly as the game goes down the toilette!

Look, I am not an expert at football. But it was clear to me, the QB wasn't functioning. As a manager, I knew, it was time to try something else. Would it have worked? I doubt it, but, I would have tried.

The whole god damn team wasn't functioning outside of Driver, Favre had to deal with defensive linemen in his face all evening, the running game was absolutely terrible, wide receivers dropped sure first downs and touchdowns, the defense couldn't get one goddamn stop. The only thing that saved this team any grace in the second half was the fact that the giants' kicker couldn't make a field goal.

Favre didn't play well, he looked cold, so did everyone else. This wasn't supposed to be thread about his mistakes, or his great play, but go ahead and turn it, but the fact is your still wrong to go and blast Favre for that loss.

[Tarlam!]

This wasn't supposed to be thread about his mistakes, or his great play, but go ahead and turn it, but the fact is your still wrong to go and blast Favre for that loss.

The thread turned the way it did, because I reacted to a comment made about Favre. Do I need to apologize for that? Look, I miss him, too. But he wasn't God. He didn't only do great things. I merely pointed out that he didn't play well against the Giants - a game, where he maybe shoulda played well.

BTW, I never even insinuated I blame him for the loss. It's a team game. The team lost. Even a dumb Aussie knows the difference.

[Deputy Nutz]

This wasn't supposed to be thread about his mistakes, or his great play, but go ahead and turn it, but the fact is your still wrong to go and blast Favre for that loss.

The thread turned the way it did, because I reacted to a comment made about Favre. Do I need to apologize for that? Look, I miss him, too. But he wasn't God. He didn't only do great things. I merely pointed out that he didn't play well against the Giants - a game, where he maybe shoulda played well.

BTW, I never even insinuated I blame him for the loss. It's a team game. The team lost. Even a dumb Aussie knows the difference.

You insinuated it when you claimed he should have been benched.

Question for you Tar, did you become a Packer fan when Don Majikowski or Anthony Dilweg, or Blair Kiel was the starting QB? Did you ever have the pleasure of watching that? I tell ya, I did and it was horrible, absolutely horrible. Compared to watching those bums Favre was a god every Sunday. Honestly, you had Starr, and then Favre everything in between was at best average at times, but mostly garbage. Favre is in the top 1% of all NFl players to play the game.

Sorry about the soccer comment, that was out of line.