2005 First Round BUSTS

[run pMc]

Even Rolle, who I consider the most boderline, because nobody takes a safety that high.

I wonder what Florio thinks of Michael Huff. Hmmm, what about the deceased Sean Taylor...you think Florio would be tasteless enough to call a pick that gets killed a bust?

Bad jokes aside, sheepshead raises a good point...it's not only the production vs. draft position, but also the chunk of the salary cap they take up. There are some surprisingly cheap owners, and I imagine they chafe at paying big money to players who don't play up to their earnings. I agree there needs to be some kind of rookie scale, but not so restrictive that it leads to veterans getting priced out of the league.

[Lurker64]

Even Rolle, who I consider the most boderline, because nobody takes a safety that high.

I wonder what Florio thinks of Michael Huff. Hmmm, what about the deceased Sean Taylor...you think Florio would be tasteless enough to call a pick that gets killed a bust?

Not to mention LaRon Landry who was taken at #6 (as a safety), two positions higher than Rolle.

[sharpe1027]

Kind of the same with Terrence Murphy. I don't consider him a bust, and I don't consider a bad pick. Just bad luck. He hadn't gotten hurt in college, so you wouldn't have expected him to get hurt. Now, if Justin Harrell gets injured, I think you could label it a bust.

Antrell Rolle isn't a complete bust, but he was just an average corner. He's playing safety now, and I think he's better suited for that. So, I think the jury is still out on him.

I think that is a good way to think about it. My question is whether a guy who has been injured in the past is much more likely to get injured in the future. You see plenty of cases where a guy can't stay on the field...but those tend to stand out. What about all the cases where a guy gets injured a few times and then doesn't get injured again? They tend to be forgotten. I wonder how important injury history really is.

[Guiness]

Reviving a thread from about a year ago. You can underline #21's name a few times.

Benson, otoh has found new life. I don't see any other adjustments offhand

[hoosier]

Reviving a thread from about a year ago. You can underline #21's name a few times.

Benson, otoh has found new life. I don't see any other adjustments offhand

I would adjust these:

#22: Clayton hasn't panned out as a top NFL WR but I wouldn't call him a bust either. Especially not considering who he's playing for. He's been more like a consistently average #2 WR. Isn't there a category in between "star" and "bust" for guys like him?

#24: Not a bust.

[Fritz]

Here's a fun question: of the 23 players taken ahead of Aaron Rodgers, how many and which ones would you trade Rodgers for, straight up?

And which GM's from those teams would trade the pick they made for Rodgers now, straight up?

IF Rodgers can stay healthy, he's looking like a damn fine pick from a draft that seems otherwise top heavy with big busts.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Here's a fun question: of the 23 players taken ahead of Aaron Rodgers, how many and which ones would you trade Rodgers for, straight up?

And which GM's from those teams would trade the pick they made for Rodgers now, straight up?

IF Rodgers can stay healthy, he's looking like a damn fine pick from a draft that seems otherwise top heavy with big busts.

It took Rodgers some time to get to where he is at. Had SF picked and started him right away, he likely would have been a bust as he had issues with his delivery that was well noted.

[sharpe1027]

It took Rodgers some time to get to where he is at. Had SF picked and started him right away, he likely would have been a bust as he had issues with his delivery that was well noted.

Does it really matter? Teams draft a guy for how they will play for their own team, not for how he would do on another team.

[mission]

It took Rodgers some time to get to where he is at. Had SF picked and started him right away, he likely would have been a bust as he had issues with his delivery that was well noted.

Does it really matter? Teams draft a guy for how they will play for their own team, not for how he would do on another team.

Yeah, plus we've played out that conversation a long time ago.

[KYPack]

Here's a fun question: of the 23 players taken ahead of Aaron Rodgers, how many and which ones would you trade Rodgers for, straight up?

And which GM's from those teams would trade the pick they made for Rodgers now, straight up?

IF Rodgers can stay healthy, he's looking like a damn fine pick from a draft that seems otherwise top heavy with big busts.

Bullshit, Mish, the old guys wanna play.

The only two that could be entered into a trade talk concerning Rodgers are Ware and Merriman. They both play the same spot, too.

I wouldn't do it. Thompson snaring Rodgers with a low #1 is hnow officially the coup of that draft.

I really like it when they bump a thread and I haven't made a post that turned out to be totally wrong.

[mission]

Here's a fun question: of the 23 players taken ahead of Aaron Rodgers, how many and which ones would you trade Rodgers for, straight up?

And which GM's from those teams would trade the pick they made for Rodgers now, straight up?

IF Rodgers can stay healthy, he's looking like a damn fine pick from a draft that seems otherwise top heavy with big busts.

Bullshit, Mish, the old guys wanna play.

The only two that could be entered into a trade talk concerning Rodgers are Ware and Merriman. They both play the same spot, too.

I wouldn't do it. Thompson snaring Rodgers with a low #1 is hnow officially the coup of that draft.

I really like it when they bump a thread and I haven't made a post that turned out to be totally wrong.

Hey I have a few gray hairs too! :P

I could see where my post was confusing... I meant the whole "if the 49ers would have taken him blah blah..." conversation. We've definitely gone over that a bunch of times and despite risk of being even more of a jerk in this thread, it's just not relevant at all.

[cheesner]

Here's a fun question: of the 23 players taken ahead of Aaron Rodgers, how many and which ones would you trade Rodgers for, straight up?

And which GM's from those teams would trade the pick they made for Rodgers now, straight up?

IF Rodgers can stay healthy, he's looking like a damn fine pick from a draft that seems otherwise top heavy with big busts.

1. None.

2. Most.

Fun to see the Vikings/Lions/Vikings/and Bears on the list of teams that passed on AR. They all drafted busts (Williamson/Williams/James/ Benson) and only Erasmus James still playing for the same team, Williams is out of football. The Vikes passed twice. Other teams still wishing they had a QB who passed on AR: 49ers/Dolphins/Bucaneers/Chiefs./Panthers/Rams.

[Zool]

Actually Erasmus is in Washington IIRC.

[KYPack]

Actually Erasmus is in Washington IIRC.

He was.

Street FA.

You can have him "at the veterans minimum".

[Zool]

Actually Erasmus is in Washington IIRC.

He was.

Street FA.

You can have him "at the veterans minimum".

Ohh, does he come with both bad knees and bad hips?