ALL PACKER TEAM

[Bretsky]

Name your ALL PACKER TEAM...........IN THEIR PRIME

Each of ours may be reflective of how old we are. Might be interesting. Maybe I missed somebody and you can get me to change my mind ?


BRETT FAVRE- Quarterback--no brainer
AHMAN GREEN- Halfback (my gut tells me Ahman at his prime tops Hornung)
JIM TAYLOR (I think this is a no brainer)
PAUL COFFMAN- Tight End
STERLING SHARPE- Would have been one of the greatest ever
DON HUTSON- Would have enjoyed watching him
JAMES LOFTEN (makes the list when the Packers go 3 Wide)
FORREST GREGG- Offensive Tackle
KEN RUETTGERS- Offensive Tackle
FUZZY THURSTON- Offensive Guard
GALE GILLINGHAM - Offensive Guard (strongly considered Mike Wahle here)
JIM RINGO Center


DEFENSE

REGGIE WHITE---Defensive End
WILLIE DAVIS----Defensive End
HENRY JORDAN---Defensive Tackle
SANTANA DOTSON-Defensive Tackle
GILBERT BROWN--Nose Guard (crap I can't think of anybody else)
WILLIE BUCHANAN- Cornerback
HERB ADDERLY----Cornerback
LEROY BUTLER----Safety
WILLIE WOOD----Safety
RAY NITCHKE----Middle Linebacker
FRED CARR -----Linebacker
DAVE ROBINSON--Linebacker

RYAN LONGWELL- Placekicker
CRAIG HENTRICH- Punter

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nice looking list B

i didn't get a chance to see a lot of those guys play, but your offense is dead on with what i would have said. i was even thinking the james lofton for a #3 right before you had him

i love seeing gilbert on there. he was only in his prime for a brief period of time, but damn that guy was a beast. he could do it all. and how much fun was it watching a 350+ pound DT running down a rb from behind?

and the gravedigger celebration is still my all time favorite

[Bretsky]

nice looking list B

i didn't get a chance to see a lot of those guys play, but your offense is dead on with what i would have said. i was even thinking the james lofton for a #3 right before you had him

i love seeing gilbert on there. he was only in his prime for a brief period of time, but damn that guy was a beast. he could do it all. and how much fun was it watching a 350+ pound DT running down a rb from behind?

and the gravedigger celebration is still my all time favorite

I'm curious to see what some of the more veteran posters think; to be honest several of those players I never saw....but projected to be the best based on highlights and readings. I figure they may be a few anti Favre guys and expect that...but am also curious if I missed some players as well

[Joemailman]

I would make just 2 changes from B's list. I would take Jerry Kramer over Thurston. I would also take Ron Kramer over Paul Coffman. Toss-up between Green and Hornung.

[KYPack]

Love to play this one, B. I'll add some extra guys

Offense

WR Don Hutson, Sterling Sharpe, James Lofton. 2 best I've ever seen and my dad's favorite player.

TE Ron Kramer A total horse. Paul Coffman is one of my favorite Packers. Keith Jackson had one of the greatest seasons of any TE & really wasn't a starter.

FB - Jim Taylor

HB Paul Hornung, Ahman Green I can't name an All Time Packer team w/out Paul.

QB Brett Favre, Bart Starr. Look at the coach, how would he have reacted to Mississippi? I would have loved to see it. It's to the point, I can't pick between 'em.

OG Jerry Kramer, Fuzzy Thurston, Gale Gillingham, Mike Michalske. (For that one golden season Aaron Taylor was as good as any of 'em.)

OT Ken Ruettgers, Forrest Gregg (We need an LT other than Rut, but I'm drawing blanks)

C Jim Ringo

Defense

S - Leroy Butler, Willie Wood, Bob Dillon. Dillon is the Pack's all time intercepter and lone rep from the "wilderness 50's".

CB Herb Adderly, Bob Jeter, Willie Buchanon. Neon Dion never played one run as well as Herb in his whole career.

LB Ray Nitschke, Dave Robinson, Lee Roy Caffey, Fred Carr

DT Henry Jordan, Cal Hubbard, Gilbert Brown. Hubbard was an oldie that would be a star in any era.

DE Willie Davis, Reggie White

Specials

P Craig Hentrich

K Don Chandler

KR Herb Adderley (One year wonder Travis Williams)

PR Desmond Howard, Willie Wood

Utility Player Johnny Blood. Second player from the 3 time Champs of 29 - 31. NFL HOFer as a rusher, pass receiver and passer. Also a deadly tacker and party monster.

Coach - Vince Lombardi
Asst Coach - Curly Lambeau (In charge of lining up a first class victory party)

GM Vince

Dr of Player Personnel Ron Wolf (In charge of saying "yes, coach Lombardi")

[texaspackerbacker]

Jerry Kramer has to be the best alltime Guard, probably Gillingham over Thurston for the other.

Even though he was with the Packers only a short time, I'd take the Mad Stork, Ted Hendricks over Fred Carr--second only to Nitschke.

And even though he burned out way too quick, I'd put John Brockington ahead of either Green or Hornung--second only to Taylor.

I don't care for Dotson, but I can't really think of anybody better at DT.

I'd take either Don Chandler or Paul Hornung as a kicker over Longwell.

I would add a Kick Returner spot, and put Desmond Howard in it, although it's hard not to pick Travis Williams.

Overall, good job, Bretsky. Some positions--QB, WR, LB, DE, Corner--we have others right there too. Others like DT, TE, maybe RB beyond Taylor, it's kinda hard to fill the spot with real star quality players.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Where's our old thread on this? There are better OTs than Ruettgers. I'd include Chad Clifton among that group that I'd take over Ruettgers. Ruett was decent for many years, and compared to the rest of the Packers OL at the time, he looked great. However, I don't think he ever played at Pro Bowl/All-Pro level. I think Clifton has had a couple of years at that level.

[motife]

RB : John Brockington*/Jim Taylor** /Ahman Green*
FB : McArthur Lane*/Dorsey Levens*/Paul Hornung
QB : Brett Favre**/Lynn Dickey/Bart Starr*

WR : James Lofton**
WR : Sterling Sharpe**
WR : Antonio Freeman/Donald Driver
TE : Jackie Harris/Keith Jackson

OT : Ken Reuttgers/Mark Koncar
OT : Chad Clifton/Forest Gregg
OG : Gale Gillingham**/ Marco Rivera
OG : Jerry Kramer/Mike Wahle
C : Jim Ringo/Ken Bowman

DE : Reggie White** /Mike Butler
DE : Wille Davis** /Ezra Johnson
DT : Bob Brown*/Grady Jackson/Gilbert Brown
DT : Henry Jordan*/Santana Dotson

OLB : Ted Hendricks/Fred Carr/Wayne Simmons
MLB : Ray Nitzschke**
OLB : Dave Robinson/Tim Harris/John Anderson

CB : Herb Adderly** /Mike McKenzie
CB : Willie Buchanon** /Doug Evans
S : LeRoy Butler*/Darren Sharper
S : Willie Wood*

PK : Ryan Longwell/Chris Jacke
P : Craig Hentrich/Ron Widby

[Tarlam!]

How can this team not have the Alabama antelope on it? I mean, he is All NFL after all.

[KYPack]

Where's our old thread on this? There are better OTs than Ruettgers. I'd include Chad Clifton among that group that I'd take over Ruettgers. Ruett was decent for many years, and compared to the rest of the Packers OL at the time, he looked great. However, I don't think he ever played at Pro Bowl/All-Pro level. I think Clifton has had a couple of years at that level.

Actually, I agree. Chad is really a great LT. One of the best in Pass Pro in the league. He's also played longer at a higher level than Rut. He is pretty dern good at run blocking. He deserves a spot on the all time team at LT.

[wist43]

No love for Ezra Johnson as a designated pass rusher??? I'm pretty sure he had 20.5 sacks one year - don't remember what year it was though.

Those years are kind of fuzzy for me as I was overseas quite a bit back then... missed a lot of games. Hell, I missed the entire '81 season

[Patler]

I would have a hard time chosing between Clifton and Skoronski. I might have to go with Skoronski in that he may have been a bit more complete, a better run blocker. Skoronski was overshadowed by the bigger names on the Packer O-line of the 1960s, particularly Gregg at the other tackle. He like Clifton made one Pro Bowl late in his career, but probably should have been to more. With all the stars and future HOF'ers on that team, Bob Skoronski was a captain for a reason.

I put Ruettgers just a bit behind Skoronski and Clifton.

[DonHutson]

I'm all for putting the old guys on the list. I've defended Hutson as greatest player ever many times.

However, I have too hard a time comparing players I've watched week in and week out against players I've only seen in highlight reels. So my list goes back only as far as my memory - 1979, age five.

First Team:

QB - Brett Favre
RB - Ahman Green
FB - William Henderson
3rd down RB - Gerry Ellis
WR - James Lofton, Sterling Sharpe
TE - Paul Coffman
T - Chad Clifton, Earl Dotson
G - Mike Wahle, Adam Timmerman
C - Larry McCarren

DE - Reggie White, Ezra Johnson
DT - Gilbert Brown, Santana Dotson
OLB - Bryce Paup, Tim Harris
MLB - Brian Noble
CB - Al Harris, Mark Lee
S - LeRoy Butler, Mark Murphy

K - Jan Stenerud
P - Craig Hentrich
KR - Desmond Howard

Second Team:

QB - Lynn Dickey
RB - Dorsey Levens
FB - Dorsey Levens
3rd down back - Edgar Bennett
WR - Donald Driver, Antonio Freeman
TE - Keith Jackson
T- Ken Ruettgers, Mark Tauscher
G - Aaron Taylor, Marco Rivera
C - Frank Winters

DE - Aaron Kampman, Sean Jones
DT - Mike Butler, Ryan Pickett
OLB - Mike Douglass, John Anderson
MLB - Nick Barnett
CB - Doug Evans, Mike McKenzie
S - Darren Sharper, Johnnie Gray

K - Ryan Longwell
P - Bucky Scribner
KR - Walter Stanley

Honorable Mention:

Don Majkowski
Robert Brooks
Phil Epps
Greg Jennings
Ron Hallstrom
Ed West
Bubba Franks
Mark Chmura
Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila
Brian Williams
Wayne Simmons
Craig Newsome
Charles Woodson
Chuck Cecil
Chris Jacke

[motife]

No love for Ezra Johnson as a designated pass rusher??? I'm pretty sure he had 20.5 sacks one year - don't remember what year it was though.

Those years are kind of fuzzy for me as I was overseas quite a bit back then... missed a lot of games. Hell, I missed the entire '81 season

I think Mike Butler, his co-DE and 1st round pick, was a better all-round player.

One player not mentioned who should be is TIM HARRIS!!!

[woodbuck27]

Re: ALL PACKER TEAM

Name your ALL PACKER TEAM...........IN THEIR PRIME

Each of ours may be reflective of how old we are. Might be interesting. Maybe I missed somebody and you can get me to change my mind ?


BRETT FAVRE- Quarterback--no brainer
AHMAN GREEN- Halfback (my gut tells me Ahman at his prime tops Hornung)
JIM TAYLOR (I think this is a no brainer)
PAUL COFFMAN- Tight End
STERLING SHARPE- Would have been one of the greatest ever
DON HUTSON- Would have enjoyed watching him
JAMES LOFTEN (makes the list when the Packers go 3 Wide)
FORREST GREGG- Offensive Tackle
KEN RUETTGERS- Offensive Tackle
FUZZY THURSTON- Offensive Guard
GALE GILLINGHAM - Offensive Guard (strongly considered Mike Wahle here)
JIM RINGO Center


DEFENSE

REGGIE WHITE---Defensive End
WILLIE DAVIS----Defensive End
HENRY JORDAN---Defensive Tackle
SANTANA DOTSON-Defensive Tackle
GILBERT BROWN--Nose Guard (crap I can't think of anybody else)
WILLIE BUCHANAN- Cornerback
HERB ADDERLY----Cornerback
LEROY BUTLER----Safety
WILLIE WOOD----Safety
RAY NITCHKE----Middle Linebacker
FRED CARR -----Linebacker
DAVE ROBINSON--Linebacker

RYAN LONGWELL- Placekicker
CRAIG HENTRICH- Punter

Man ! What a great ALL TIME PACKER TEAM.

and Gilbert's cool too B.

PACKERS FOREVER!