ALL PACKER TEAM

[wpony]

Re: ALL PACKER TEAM

[quote="The Shadow"][quote="Tarlam!"]

Bart Starr QB- Sorry, boys, Favre at #2, Dickey at #3

OK, Shadow, what did Starr have that made him better than #4. I just don't buy it. I don't hear people gush over Starr the way they do about Favre.

Hi Shadow I remember the Bart Star years to and I allways thought he was a little over rated I agree they had 5 championships but they could have pluged any good QB in there and done that .
THey had all day to throw the ball and there running game was so good that they could tell the opponents were they were going to run and still get there yardage. I liked Star but if you could have inserted Brett in there he would have had so much time to throw is stats would have been so much better than they even were now today.

[motife]

"When Vince Lombardi first took over the Packers, Ron Kramer was not performing up to either his reputation or his ability. "He was falling flat on his face," observed Lombardi. "His legs were bad and his attitude was worse. We carried him in 1959 and 1960."

At the beginning of the 1961 season, Vince called Ron into his office and had a one on one conversation to explain the hard facts. "I told him I would start him in every preseason game," said Lombardi, "but that if he didn't come through for us he was done." The session seemed to wake up Kramer, because almost immediately his performance improved and eventually he regained his old form and became a star in the NFL."

[motife]

just doing some reading... here's a very interesting quote about Lombardi :

"Lombardi had a particularly tough time informing his veteran players when their time had come to retire, a task that he DID NOT delegate, because of the closeness he had with them. (Pat Peppler was normally the "turk" because Vince was too compassionate to fire anybody one on one.)

In Vince's mind, it just would not have been right to allow a veteran to be let go without hearing about it from him personally. When Emlen Tunnell got to that point, both men knew it was time. But that didn't prevent Lombardi from crying like a baby when the two sat down to discuss it. Emlen was not suprised that his coach cried. He had seen it before, as had all of Lombardi's players and close friends.

"If you said good morning to him in the right way," said NYG's owner and founder Wellington Mara, "you could bring tears to his eyes."

[The Shadow]

Re: ALL PACKER TEAM

[quote="wpony"][quote="The Shadow"]

Bart Starr QB- Sorry, boys, Favre at #2, Dickey at #3

OK, Shadow, what did Starr have that made him better than #4. I just don't buy it. I don't hear people gush over Starr the way they do about Favre.

Hi Shadow I remember the Bart Star years to and I allways thought he was a little over rated I agree they had 5 championships but they could have pluged any good QB in there and done that .
THey had all day to throw the ball and there running game was so good that they could tell the opponents were they were going to run and still get there yardage. I liked Star but if you could have inserted Brett in there he would have had so much time to throw is stats would have been so much better than they even were now today.

I honestly don't know what to say.
Sigh.......

[oregonpackfan]

Thanks for researching all the great articles about Ron Kramer, Motife.

Bretsky, do you now consider yourself educated about former Packer great TE Ron Kramer?

If you haven't learned your Packer history lesson, Madtown will have to banish you to some dispicable place like the Metrodome or Soldier Field!

[KYPack]

Motife,

Thanks for all the great info on Ron Kramer.

It's funny how some great players fade from view at times. For many years, any article on the all-time TE's included Ron. He'd be in the list with Mackey, Ditka and the rest of the great players at that position.

Then, over the years, he'd not be listed in such an accounting of the all-timers at TE. He just faded into the mists of time. I think it's because subsequent writers only look at the stats. You really had to watch Ron play to appreciate his greatnesss.

I've never seen a great pass catching TE block as effectively as Ron did. A now forgotten art.

In the very first Packer game I attended, Ron Kramer actually threw an interception!

[woodbuck27]

Love to play this one, B. I'll add some extra guys

Offense

WR Don Hutson, Sterling Sharpe, James Lofton. 2 best I've ever seen and my dad's favorite player.

TE Ron Kramer A total horse. Paul Coffman is one of my favorite Packers. Keith Jackson had one of the greatest seasons of any TE & really wasn't a starter.

FB - Jim Taylor

HB Paul Hornung, Ahman Green I can't name an All Time Packer team w/out Paul.

QB Brett Favre, Bart Starr. Look at the coach, how would he have reacted to Mississippi? I would have loved to see it. It's to the point, I can't pick between 'em.

OG Jerry Kramer, Fuzzy Thurston, Gale Gillingham, Mike Michalske. (For that one golden season Aaron Taylor was as good as any of 'em.)

OT Ken Ruettgers, Forrest Gregg (We need an LT other than Rut, but I'm drawing blanks)

C Jim Ringo

Defense

S - Leroy Butler, Willie Wood, Bob Dillon. Dillon is the Pack's all time intercepter and lone rep from the "wilderness 50's".

CB Herb Adderly, Bob Jeter, Willie Buchanon. Neon Dion never played one run as well as Herb in his whole career.

LB Ray Nitschke, Dave Robinson, Lee Roy Caffey, Fred Carr

DT Henry Jordan, Cal Hubbard, Gilbert Brown. Hubbard was an oldie that would be a star in any era.

DE Willie Davis, Reggie White

Specials

P Craig Hentrich

K Don Chandler

KR Herb Adderley (One year wonder Travis Williams)

PR Desmond Howard, Willie Wood

Utility Player Johnny Blood. Second player from the 3 time Champs of 29 - 31. NFL HOFer as a rusher, pass receiver and passer. Also a deadly tacker and party monster.

Coach - Vince Lombardi
Asst Coach - Curly Lambeau (In charge of lining up a first class victory party)

GM Vince

Dr of Player Personnel Ron Wolf (In charge of saying "yes, coach Lombardi")

What a GBP fan. Really good team.