Brian Brohm

[BooHoo]

I have never been a solid ARod supporter. However, we have to give the guy a chance to show his value to this team. I also believe he will be on a long rope. It would take a lot to pull him off the field this year. Another concern is whether he can stay healthy.

[LL2]

The interesting thing is that Rodgers has been in the NFL for 3 years and he's still only 1 year older than rookie Brohm. He came out really young and has had the time to learn. I agree with JH that he has to play at a pretty good level, but to say he can't lose games is a nice thing to say yet Favre has lost many games on his own especially in his first few years.

[b bulldog]

Both QB's will have their learning curves and Brohm's will be much bigger than Rodgers. ARod should not be overlooked, the guy has good height, athleticism, and time in the O and he will and should be given most of 08 to pass or fail. Any talk of Brohm giving Rodgers any competition in camp or even the early part of the season is foolish.

[BF4MVP]

Both QB's will have their learning curves and Brohm's will be much bigger than Rodgers. ARod should not be overlooked, the guy has good height, athleticism, and time in the O and he will and should be given most of 08 to pass or fail. Any talk of Brohm giving Rodgers any competition in camp or even the early part of the season is foolish.

Great post

[CaliforniaCheez]

Everyone seems to understand in May but in October it will be tougher.

Let me point out how the crowd at Lambeau would applaud in 1994 when Brett would throw the ball away and they really tried to encourage him.

All the QB's on the roster are going to need an extra helping or two of patience. Give it.

Some discipline against some posters in the fall will help.

1) Let's not have rants against Brett for selfishness abandonment etc.
2) Rodgers will screw up. Everyone learns from their screw ups. So will he.
3) Many of Brett's INT's were forgiven. Ask yourself if Brett threw it how would you react?
4) The media will be harsh. We should be less harsh.
5) Rodgers deserves a full season to judge. Early in the season we don't want chants of "Rodgers Go Home. Bring in Brohm."
6) Have confidence that the situation will improve over the season and will be better next year.
7) No matter how bad it gets it could be worse (Rex, Tarvaris, Cleo Lemon).
8) It has been worse and fans stood behind Scott Hunter, Jerry Tagge, Brett Favre's first couple of years. We survived and never lost faith.
9) Screaming will not help and Ted will not panic and trade the farm for a Jon Hadl and Jim Del Gazo.
10) One of the three QB's will not be a bust.

Save these 10 points on your computer desktop for when they are needed or just memorize them.

[Tarlam!]

The Dallas game, plus M3's almost smugness when he talks on A-Rods readiness have me convinced.

And another thing, TT drafts BPA. He drafted 2 WRs when we have a glutton already, drafted Harrell last year when we were stocked at DT etc.

Drafting Brohm rather than engaging a so-so journeyman with little or no upside is completely in line with what we've seen from TT since he's been here. TT is building from within. It's been said so many times and still, people don't wanna get it.

Of course, he hasn't hit on everything, but he has definitely improved the team. That Seattle playoff game was amazing. But I digress.

TT's openly stating immediately after Day 1 of the draft "and I told Brian he's clearly the backup for Aaron" should be enough. TT also says he loves competition at every spot. TT saying "it's Aaron's gig" is as if he wrote it in blood.

The Green Bay Packers only have a QB controversy if #4 mixes things up. I don't care how good BB looks in camp.

[wist43]

The Dallas game, plus M3's almost smugness when he talks on A-Rods readiness have me convinced.

And another thing, TT drafts BPA. He drafted 2 WRs when we have a glutton already, drafted Harrell last year when we were stocked at DT etc.

Drafting Brohm rather than engaging a so-so journeyman with little or no upside is completely in line with what we've seen from TT since he's been here. TT is building from within. It's been said so many times and still, people don't wanna get it.

Of course, he hasn't hit on everything, but he has definitely improved the team. That Seattle playoff game was amazing. But I digress.

TT's openly stating immediately after Day 1 of the draft "and I told Brian he's clearly the backup for Aaron" should be enough. TT also says he loves competition at every spot. TT saying "it's Aaron's gig" is as if he wrote it in blood.

The Green Bay Packers only have a QB controversy if #4 mixes things up. I don't care how good BB looks in camp.

Tar, I know Rodgers looked decent in the Dallas game... and, maybe he could be good enough to QB the team to a winning record - and never minding the fragility factor, which in his case is HUGE - but, does anyone see him as special???

This offense, to carry a team to a SB, has to have a special QB. Favre had a special year last year, and it still wasn't good enough.

I like the Brohm pick, admittedly w/o really knowing much about the guy beyond highlight reels and magazine scouting reports. Given our offensive system, we have to, HAVE TO, have a QB.

As for your points about drafting BPA vs need - I think the jury is still out on TT for this one.

By drafting Harrell he pushed a better player off the roster and also wasn't able to fill another position on the roster with a 1st round calibur talent. All b/c TT had Harrell rated that much higher than anyone else, at any other position on the board???

Is Harrell CLEARLY better than Dwayne Bowe??? Or some of the other players at positions of need that went after Harrell???

I think you can look at last years draft and make a case that TT screwed up both sides of the debate BPA vs need. He took Harrell as his BPA in the 1st round and ultimately set the team back b/c of it; and he took Jackson in the 2nd as a need pick, and he clearly isn't a 2nd round talent.

Yes, TT has improved the overall talent level on this team very quickly, but I can see where his unwillingness to move to get players with talent at positions of need could keep this team on the cusp, but never get them over the top. Any talk of winning anything is academic however, w/o that "special" QB.

[woodbuck27]

As much as Im going to miss Favre, I really do like the young QBs we have on this team. Also the recievers we have are really going to help these guys out.

The transition of QB's should be very interesting. After having the same QB for 16 years in a row, the Packers may struggle offensively for the first half of the season. We Packer fans need to be patient with Rodgers.

Good game plans and proper play calls help alot. Aaron just
has to execute. He throws and runs very well.

Toughness?

[Fritz]

ARod will be the man this year. He'll be on a long leash. Preseason often doesn't tell you what you need to know. Defenses aren't very exotic.

I'm not sure why JH is on the Brohm kick, but I think ARod is more likely to be the long-term answer. He has better arm strength than Brohm. He has better mobility than Brohm. They both seem accurate and they both are intelligent. The only question about ARod is his durability, but a lot of scouts question Brohm's durability also. He took a lot of big hits in college because his lack of mobility (although he has decent speed, he doesn't have near the quickness and escability that ARod has), and that could be a problem in the pros.

I think one must also question Rodgers's decision to go with the Jesus look.

[Tarlam!]

Fair enough, Wisty. I can't disagree with any of your points. I was merely pointing out that Brohm will not be challenging A-Rod this year.

Maybe i was unclear, but I was trying to make the case that the Brohm pick was a depth pick, a BPA pick and not a pick that means the front office believes A-Rod is fragile or not the guy.

I think we both agree, though, that TT's moves have been an improvement overall.

[cheesner]

By drafting Harrell he pushed a better player off the roster and also wasn't able to fill another position on the roster with a 1st round calibur talent. All b/c TT had Harrell rated that much higher than anyone else, at any other position on the board???

Is Harrell CLEARLY better than Dwayne Bowe??? Or some of the other players at positions of need that went after Harrell???

No, he isn't CLEARLY better. TT doesn't have a crystal ball and makes the best decision he can. About 95% of draft picks can be 2nd guessed because someone drafter later will emerge. It has only been 1 year, give Justin some time.

Besides, TT picked up James Jones in the 3rd round who, if was in the same situation as Bowe (no other good receivers on the team) probably would have had as big of an impact as Bowe. Given the choice of JJ/Harrell or Bowe/some 3rd rd DT, I would go with JJ/Harrell hands down.

Or to put it in your context, is Bowe CLEARLY better than JJ? I think the answer to that is also NO.

Tar, I know Rodgers looked decent in the Dallas game... and, maybe he could be good enough to QB the team to a winning record - and never minding the fragility factor, which in his case is HUGE - but, does anyone see him as special???

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I think you can look at last years draft and make a case that TT screwed up both sides of the debate BPA vs need. He took Harrell as his BPA in the 1st round and ultimately set the team back b/c of it; and he took Jackson in the 2nd as a need pick, and he clearly isn't a 2nd round talent.

I for one, thing AR can be special. No, you don't need a 'special' QB to win the superbowl, but it sure helps.

Not sure how you can say TT set the team back because of the Harrell pick. The more talent you put on your team the better off you are, even if it is a position of depth.

Not sure how you can say Jackson is 'clearly' not worthy of a 2nd round pick. Grant was not able to step forward and take over till the midpoint of the season. And he was a seasoned NFL player who should have adjusted more quickly than a rookie. Give Jackson some time.

Every pick has some upside to them, and a risk factor on if they will achieve that level or not. Jackson and Harrell are both physical specimens that have the capacity to be special players. Only time will tell if they can be special players in the NFL, and I am of the belief that at least one of these guys steps it up, if not both.

[Patler]

This offense, to carry a team to a SB, has to have a special QB. Favre had a special year last year, and it still wasn't good enough.


By drafting Harrell he pushed a better player off the roster and also wasn't able to fill another position on the roster with a 1st round calibur talent. All b/c TT had Harrell rated that much higher than anyone else, at any other position on the board???

Is Harrell CLEARLY better than Dwayne Bowe??? Or some of the other players at positions of need that went after Harrell???

I think you can look at last years draft and make a case that TT screwed up both sides of the debate BPA vs need. He took Harrell as his BPA in the 1st round and ultimately set the team back b/c of it; and he took Jackson in the 2nd as a need pick, and he clearly isn't a 2nd round talent.

Yes, TT has improved the overall talent level on this team very quickly, but I can see where his unwillingness to move to get players with talent at positions of need could keep this team on the cusp, but never get them over the top. Any talk of winning anything is academic however, w/o that "special" QB.

What do you mean by "special"?

In some ways, Rodgers could be better suited to this offense than Favre was. Rodgers' forte in college was patience and accuracy in a controlled, ball control type passing game. He is reputed to have very good deep ball accuracy, but he has had little opportunity to show it in college or since.

Favre's impatient nature was the exact opposite of what is needed for a "take what you can get" offense like this.

As for reading a defense and adjusting, which Favre did so well this past season, Rodgers might be OK. I heard an interesting interview with Donald Driver two weeks ago. He was asked what Rodgers' strongest attribute was, and Driver said he threw very well, but fans will be impressed by his ability to recognize defenses. Driver said Rodgers can call the defense before they finish lining up. He said it was really impressive. I found that to be an unusual thing for DD to mention, when he could have given so many other run-of-the-mill responses. It seemed to be something that really impressed him.

As for Harrell and Jackson, we will know much more this season about what effect drafting them really had.

[RashanGary]

As for reading a defense and adjusting, which Favre did so well this past season, Rodgers might be OK. I heard an interesting interview with Donald Driver two weeks ago. He was asked what Rodgers' strongest attribute was, and Driver said he threw very well, but fans will be impressed by his ability to recognize defenses. Driver said Rodgers can call the defense before they finish lining up. He said it was really impressive. I found that to be an unusual thing for DD to mention, when he could have given so many other run-of-the-mill responses. It seemed to be something that really impressed him.

As for Harrell and Jackson, we will know much more this season about what effect drafting them really had.

That's interesting that Driver said that. I heard somewhere else that James Jones said Rodgers knew the offense better than Favre did. Coming from a new guy whos head was spinning last year, it's not as big of a compliment as Driver saying he's really good at reading defenses.

That much is promising. Rodgers knows where his guy is supposed to be. He knows what defenses are trying to do (according to his teammates). He didn't look overwelmed at all in the Dallas game and they were extremely aggressive against Rodgers and he handled it better than Brett did. It will be interesting to find out if he can put it all together. I'm going to doubt him until I see it just because the odds say he's not going to be good and I worry a little about his pocket presence. Brett is supposed to be an irreplacable legend. If Rodgers can pick right up, I would crap a brick. It certainly makes you wonder how irreplacable a guy is if he were to get replaced with one shot.

[HarveyWallbangers]

That's interesting that Driver said that. I heard somewhere else that James Jones said Rodgers knew the offense better than Favre did.

I'd like to see the quote.

[the_idle_threat]

I heard an interesting interview with Donald Driver two weeks ago. He was asked what Rodgers' strongest attribute was, and Driver said he threw very well, but fans will be impressed by his ability to recognize defenses. Driver said Rodgers can call the defense before they finish lining up. He said it was really impressive.

I also heard this interview---it was on TMJ radio I believe. I thought it was an interesting and telling comment from DD.