Brian Brohm

[Tarlam!]

Wisty makes a valid point. Sign Williams, draft a non DT that helps that year.

IIRC, though, Williams wanted free agency and TT had no hand. If Harrell turns out to be what he's expected to be, then what TT got for Williams will prove to be a steal.

I think Harrell is the real deal. We'll just have to see, won't we?

[Scott Campbell]

Wist could end up being right IF Harrell busts. I'm not ready to give up on the guy just yet.

[RashanGary]

We did get Brohm in place of Williams so it's a little early to start counting your doom chickens. If Harrell turns out to be better than Williams and Brohm turns out to be a good starting QB then TT will look like a genius. It's just as easy (and equally premature) to say everything is going to go right as it is to say everything will go wrong.

[texaspackerbacker]

Wist could end up being right IF Harrell busts. I'm not ready to give up on the guy just yet.

Exactly. The jury is definitely still out on Harrell. The Packers KNEW when they drafted him that he would be way below full strength most or all of his first season, with the lingering effects of his injury. This year will tell us a lot.

As for Williams, and free agency in general, shit happens--from the team's point of view. Cleveland broke the bank for him. Even if he turns out to be a big success there--which I doubt, it would have been a big mistake to pay him that much. Sure, Thompson could have saved using a #1 pick, but you sign a bunch of borderline players for too much money, and it will bite you in the ass--probably sooner rather than later.

IMO, the Packers have gotten to the level where they are by NOT doing that.

[Badgerinmaine]

Re: Nelson

My memory is hazy, but was'nt he a 3rd rd pick?

Nick Collins was a second round pick.

[wist43]

Whether Harrell busts or not is irrelevent to my point that the position essentially remained static, and we used a 1st round pick to stay there... as Tex said, "shit happens" in FA - and that's what we're debating, but I would have pursued another path.

Call me crazy, but I'm sober enough to argue that Williams and a 1st round pick from last year at a position of need, is better than Harrell... wouldn't it have been nice to have 1st round calibur corner playing nickel last year???

I like the Brohm pick... gives us another chance at finding "the guy".

[Scott Campbell]

Call me crazy, but I'm sober enough to argue that Williams and a 1st round pick from last year at a position of need, is better than Harrell....

You've left out the 2nd round pick we received in return for Williams.

[wist43]

Call me crazy, but I'm sober enough to argue that Williams and a 1st round pick from last year at a position of need, is better than Harrell....

You've left out the 2nd round pick we received in return for Williams.

I like the Brohm pick, even if he doesn't pan out... you've got to keep looking for "the guy".

Maybe TT has to use the 2nd he used on Lee to move up to get Brohm, maybe he just takes him with the 36th pick, and doesn't take either Nelson or Lee???

If Brohm turns out, then our future looks brighter, but I would think that Brohm would have been picked at one of the two spots they had in the 2nd round anyway. TT said he was trying to trade up to get him, but he fell anyway. So if he doesn't trade Williams, we still have two 2nd's, and Brohm is likely still a Packer. It would be Lee who would be the odd pick out.

[Packnut]

Re: Nelson

My memory is hazy, but was'nt he a 3rd rd pick?

Nick Collins was a second round pick.

Thank you. I stand by my original comments. I expect more out of a second rd pick than what Collins has shown. Some guys have a nose for the ball, Nick lacks that in a big way. Hell, Rouse had his name mentioned more in a few games than Collins did the whole season.

The problem here is to many including the Packer coaching staff, has been enamored with his rookie season. How many years do you give a guy before you cut your loss?

[Tarlam!]

OK, I again make the observation that Wist has a valid point.

I disagree, though, that Williams is as good as Wist assumes, going forward. If Williams turns out to be a pro bowler, which he isn't today, then, Wist is in the right.

If Harrell does, then clearly, Wist will need surgery to remove "foot from mouth". As in his Barnett punishment for nigh on 3 years.

But his point cannot really be disputed at this time. Nor is it confirmed.

Can't wait to see how it turns out!

[Zool]

He matter of factly stated that Harrells drafting is what pushed Williams out the door. Thats the only point I have a problem with.

[texaspackerbacker]

Wist, you make a good argument about having Williams instead of Harrell and using the #1 pick for a Corner or whatever--even with us getting the #2, as somebody pointed out. And yes, with the cap situation last year, we probably could have gotten away with overpaying for Williams. My point, however, is that is a bad policy, and you do it very many times, and suddenly you are the Vikings or Raiders or whatever, instead of the Packers.

I look at Harrell, and I see a big mobile guy, who could indeed, be a bust, but who, given Thompson's record for picking successes, could be really special--we can always hope.

As for drafting Brohm, I wouldn't have done it, but then I'm not Ted Thompson. We could have, and in fact did, draft another decent QB in a much later round who probably has just about as good a chance to be a serviceable backup and potential long term first stringer.

[MadtownPacker]

I like the Brohm pick... gives us another chance at finding "the guy".

Exactly. TT knows there is no sure thing and while he backs ARod publicly his draft actions tell you everything you need to know. It is not a diss on Rodgers at all. He will get more then his fair shot at keeping the starting gig.

[LL2]

Since Ron Wolf ran the show in Packerland GB has always kept its cupboards stocked with QB’s It’s a smart thing to do, so the Brohm pick is insurance and a smart pick. These are just a few of the QB’s we had during Favre’s career – Mark Brunell, Ty Detmer, Aarron Brooks, Matt Hasselbeck, and Kurt Warner. They all have been decent to pretty good starting QB’s in this league.

[RashanGary]

It will be interesting to compare Corey Williams career from age 28 - retirement to Brian Brohms career from age 22 - retirement. Williams is a good player for sure, but who knows, maybe the guy we got in place of him will be good too. Maybe even better and maybe he'll have a more positive impact than Williams ever had or ever has on any team he plays for.

As far as Harrell goes, he could be a multi probowler and future Packer HOFer.

We'll find out. This is a big year for Harrell and Brohm has a long career ahead of him to prove he (and all of the cap relief) was worth what we gave up to get him (and the cap relief).


This is a young team with many players that will be getting paid. When we are against the cap and we need that last 6 mil per year to put us over the top, I think it will be a good time to bring this discussion back up because there is a cause and effect chain of events that happens with every decision and this one is just getting started.