Ted Thompson Cant Draft to Save His Mother's Life!!!

[Anti-Polar Bear]

And Mike Ditka, get your facts str8t b4 you post!!!!!!!!!!

The draft that produced Reynalds and Ferguson was Wolf's not Sherman. In fact, it was Wolfs last draft.

[sharpe1027]

What great insight. Somehow not a single team in the NFL, eventhough they have many of the best football minds working for them, is able to see how good Sherman is and offer him another GM job. I also don't understand why the Texans didn't win the Superbowl. They must have stupidly ignored his genius punter drafting suggestions.

Sherman wasn't all bad, but he had enough questionable moves that I don't miss him.

Have you gained enough attention now? Can we move on now?

[Zool]

What great insight. Somehow not a single team in the NFL, eventhough they have many of the best football minds working for them, is able to see how good Sherman is and offer him another GM job. I also don't understand why the Texans didn't win the Superbowl. They must have stupidly ignored his genius punter drafting suggestions.

Sherman wasn't all bad, but he had enough questionable moves that I don't miss him.

Have you gained enough attention now? Can we move on now?

You dont know Tank very well. This is the calm before the storm.

[Patler]

The draft that produced Reynalds and Ferguson was Wolf's not Sherman. In fact, it was Wolfs last draft.

Or it was Sherman's first draft, depending on your perspective. We have discussed this over and over again. There is ample support to argue that Wolf controlled it, there is just as much to support that Sherman controlled it. Perhaps no one did and that is why it ended up as it did.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

That draft was Wolf's last. Period. He offically retired after the draft, not before. Do the research. Ron Wolf drafted Jamel Reynolds.

Blaming Sherman for something he had no control over is like saying Ted Thompson should be blamed for being gay.

[Patler]

That draft was Wolf's last. Period. He offically retired after the draft, not before. Do the research. Ron Wolf drafted Jamel Reynolds.

Blaming Sherman for something he had no control over is like saying Ted Thompson should be blamed for being gay.

That draft was Sherman's first. Period. He took over officially in January, and Wolf stayed on in emeritus status to help out. Do the research. Mike Sherman wanted and drafted Jamal Reynolds.

Blaming Wolf for something he had no control over is like saying Anti-Polar Bear should be blamed for being whatever it is that he is.

[sharpe1027]

You dont know Tank very well. This is the calm before the storm.

I know him well enough that I think that it is less about the point than about getting a response and that he will pick and choose which points to respond to.

In all seriousness, I don't see alot of harm in humoring him. It probably makes his day and is somewhat entertaining to see what he tries to come up with to support his rather odd statements.

[Fritz]

Of the 765 players drafted by all teams in the 2005 through 2007 draft, 22 of them have been pro bowlers, which is 2.8%. Of all 32 NFL teams, only 16 of them have managed to draft a single pro bowler in those three drafts.

Moreover, "Pro-Bowl Player" is an absolutely worthless metric since it's a glorified popularity contest that is heavily weighted towards teams that play in big markets. Did Nick Folk greatly outplay Mason Crosby last year? Not really. Folk's FG percentage was slightly better, but Crosby made more kicks from 50+ and made more total kicks. In addition, Crosby's kickoffs were better despite playing in more outdoor and bad weather games. Was the balloting even close between the two? No, because Folk plays in Dallas and thus has an advantage in popularity contests like Pro-Bowl ballotting. Players in Green Bay have an inherent disadvantage in Pro Bowl Balloting because of the size of the market and the obscurity of the team (except for Favre.) How many years did William Henderson play at a Pro Bowl level, but didn't get voted in?

Also, if we want to be completely fair. Sherman drafted two Pro Bowl players, Walker and Kampman. Kampman was drafted in 2002 and first made the Pro Bowl in his fourth year in the league, none of Thompson's players have had four years in the league yet, some may yet be pro bowl players in their fourth year. Javon Walker made the Pro Bowl in 2004 after being drafted in 2002, but in retrospect considering what we gave up to get him (A first and a second for a first and a fifth) his total contribution to the Green Bay Packers and his current value in the league, that was a bad pick. Javon Walker's only good year was his Pro Bowl year, he was not a good player before or after so it's highly questionable to trot him out as some proof of drafting acumen.

Players are significantly more likely to make the pro bowl if they are drafted in the higher rounds and are in the league longer. Of the first day players from Thompson's first draft, only Nick Collins even had an opportunity to make the pro bowl. Rodgers would not as he was sitting behind Favre, though he is our current starting QB and may yet be a very good player (even a pro bowler), and Terrence Murphy was promising but his career was ended by a freak injury. By the time we had a pick on the 2nd day of 2005, there were only two Pro Bowl players left in the draft and one was cut by the team who drafted him (Derek Anderson). I agree that Nick Collins is merely average, however. Perhaps it will take four years for him to really come on, however, similar to Kampman (who was widely touted as "merely average" until he had his breakout season in 2006.)

Lurker, please. Quit trying to introduce facts and logic into a Tank thread.

After reading Tank's post, I am in despair. I was out of the country last year, and I am just now getting back. My gosh, what happened to the Packers last year? Did they win any games at all?

[texaspackerbacker]

When you go down the list player by player, Tank makes a pretty compelling case. Stack it up next to Sherman's picks--including Walker, Kampman, and Barnett, and it looks even better.

Yet, the Packers are where they are now at least as much because of Thompson as because of Sherman.

I used to say over and over and over again, it's just WRONG to play off Thompson against Sherman. BOTH did a damn good job, and in a lot of respects, they weren't all that different.

[Deputy Nutz]

When you go down the list player by player, Tank makes a pretty compelling case. Stack it up next to Sherman's picks--including Walker, Kampman, and Barnett, and it looks even better.

Yet, the Packers are where they are now at least as much because of Thompson as because of Sherman.

I used to say over and over and over again, it's just WRONG to play off Thompson against Sherman. BOTH did a damn good job, and in a lot of respects, they weren't all that different.

Sherman got burned in free agency and it cost him. He panicked with Cleditus Hunt, and payed him way more than he was worth. He couldn't develop a defensive line to save his life.

When Sherman missed he missed big.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

When you go down the list player by player, Tank makes a pretty compelling case. Stack it up next to Sherman's picks--including Walker, Kampman, and Barnett, and it looks even better.

Yet, the Packers are where they are now at least as much because of Thompson as because of Sherman.

I used to say over and over and over again, it's just WRONG to play off Thompson against Sherman. BOTH did a damn good job, and in a lot of respects, they weren't all that different.

Tex, thanks for the compliment but you cannot ignore Thompson's incompetence.

Thompson is so incompetent, he makes Matt Millen look like...well, Mike Sherman, the only gm in NFL to never miss the playoffs, and who did not draft Jamal Reynolds or Ferguson (go patler, go do the research).

[The Shadow]

13 - 3?
Long live these horrible drafts.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

13 - 3?
Long live these horrible drafts.

Hi Jerry Tagge.

[The Shadow]

When did they start awarding the Executive of the Year trophy to horrible drafters? I must have missed that.

[retailguy]

When did they start awarding the Executive of the Year trophy to horrible drafters? I must have missed that.

Well, by your own admission, you are kinda old. Maybe you slept through it?