Darren Sharper - HOFer

[Tarlam!]

Welcome to the forum, PackFan#1!!

[PackFan#1]

Welcome to the forum, PackFan#1!!

Thanks, Tarlam. Been a long time lurker. Just haven't register until recently.

[Patler]

Actually, Sharper reworked his contract a few times to help the Pack sign guys like Clifton, KGB and Diggs, among others.

Thompson wanted Sharper to take a pay cut. There’s a big difference between taking a pay cut and restructuring a contract.

Can’t blame Sharper for bolting. If your boss asks you to take a pay cut, and at the same time, another organization is willing to hire you for more than what your employer wants to pay you, odds are you would have bolted too.

Sharper is a good player. Is he good enough for the HOF? From my perspective, YES.

I do not believe Sharper ever "reworked" his contract. The Packers simply guaranteed his roster bonus one year, allowing them to prorate the bonus over the remaining life of the contract. It makes not one cent of difference to the player, and I believe does not even require the player's consent.

A reworked contract changes when and how payments are made, changes the timing, not just the characterization of the payment. That is exactly what Butler did, even taking a pay cut saying at the time it was necessary to keep the team together. I remember his comment that he had made good money, and it was time to allow others the opportunity.

Many people take pay cuts when necessary to help their employer. Not all bolt for the door just because more money is available elsewhere. Some regular people and even some athletes have loyalties.

Sharper's loyalty extended no farther than his own bank account. He expressed no willingness to help his team at all at that time. That, after they had made him one of the, if not the highest paid safety in the game in 2001. He had a $30 million contract, and got $7 million of it in a signing bonus. In the four years he had already received about $20 million of the contract value, and had only two years left, but was unwilling to work with the Packers.

What makes him a HOF'er in your opinion. I concede he will end with a reasonably high total of interceptions, but not an amazingly high total. What else in your opinion qualifies him for the HOF?

[PackFan#1]

And changing a roster bonus to a signing bonus does not help a team? I guess Steve McNair was a selfish player too, for allowing Tennessee to change the “characterization” of his contract during the years the Titans were contending for the Super Bowl. In fact, McNair was so selfish, the Titans were forced to eventually cut him (sarcastically speaking).

Sure “many people take pay cut” out of “loyalties.” But many more would bolt for more money faster than you can say “pay cut.”

Sharper has the stat of a hall of famer.

[the_idle_threat]

Welcome to the forum, Packfan#1. I think you're fulla shit on this one, but thanks for playing.

[GrnBay007]

Welcome to PR Packfan#1. Interesting avatar.

[Patler]

Sharper has the stat of a hall of famer.

Which stat, and what is the "qualify" amount for the HOF?

[SMACKTALKIE]

Hi, new guy here and I am a lifelong Vikings fan. I've been reading packerats since my pack fan buddy showed this site.


Anyway I just thought it should be pointed out that the "4th and 26" play was the direct result of then rookie Nick Barnett not being where he should have been. I can't remember if it was PA or not, but Barnett was too concerned with the RB and did not get the drop he should have. Not Sharper's fault.

[Zool]

I'm not sure I'd call a WR 26 yards deep a LB's responsibility in nickel coverage. I'd have to watch the play again however.

Need I remind everyone who had deep coverage on Owens against SF in the 1998 playoffs? Nice try to hit someone hard Darren. Maybe you should just play the ball like normal?

[SMACKTALKIE]

I'm not sure I'd call a WR 26 yards deep a LB's responsibility in nickel coverage. I'd have to watch the play again however.

Need I remind everyone who had deep coverage on Owens against SF in the 1998 playoffs? Nice try to hit someone hard Darren. Maybe you should just play the ball like normal?

I looked for some video footage of the play and was unable to find it.

I remember the play being broken down on ESPN. It was pointed out how out of position Barnett was and how it directly resulted in the play being a first down.

[Iron Mike]

Hi, new guy here and I am a lifelong Vikings fan. I've been reading packerats since my pack fan buddy showed this site.


Anyway I just thought it should be pointed out that the "4th and 26" play was the direct result of then rookie Nick Barnett not being where he should have been. I can't remember if it was PA or not, but Barnett was too concerned with the RB and did not get the drop he should have. Not Sharper's fault.

Hmmm........caps lock issues, grammatical and spelling errors.

Did Mad ban a Bear troll that found a new IP address???

[hoosier]

Hi, new guy here and I am a lifelong Vikings fan. I've been reading packerats since my pack fan buddy showed this site.


Anyway I just thought it should be pointed out that the "4th and 26" play was the direct result of then rookie Nick Barnett not being where he should have been. I can't remember if it was PA or not, but Barnett was too concerned with the RB and did not get the drop he should have. Not Sharper's fault.

Yeah, the Eagles running a draw play on 4th and forever must have been high on Barnett's list of worrries. You're right that 4th and 26 wasn't purely Sharper's fault. Barnett was supposed to get deeper and he apparently kind of blew the coverage on Mitchell. But Sharper f'up up too by dropping too deep, presumably playing for the interception instead of just breaking up the pass.

[SMACKTALKIE]

Hi, new guy here and I am a lifelong Vikings fan. I've been reading packerats since my pack fan buddy showed this site.


Anyway I just thought it should be pointed out that the "4th and 26" play was the direct result of then rookie Nick Barnett not being where he should have been. I can't remember if it was PA or not, but Barnett was too concerned with the RB and did not get the drop he should have. Not Sharper's fault.

Hmmm........caps lock issues, grammatical and spelling errors.

Did Mad ban a Bear troll that found a new IP address???

Sorry about the grammatical and spelling errors.

Caps lock was intentional.

HATE THE BEARS!!

[hoosier]

I'm not sure I'd call a WR 26 yards deep a LB's responsibility in nickel coverage. I'd have to watch the play again however.

Need I remind everyone who had deep coverage on Owens against SF in the 1998 playoffs? Nice try to hit someone hard Darren. Maybe you should just play the ball like normal?

I looked for some video footage of the play and was unable to find it.

I remember the play being broken down on ESPN. It was pointed out how out of position Barnett was and how it directly resulted in the play being a first down.

This is something no Packers fan wants to have to see again. But it shows clearly that Sharper was playing center field, five or so yards behind the first down line, and is only able to hit Mitchell after he has controlled the ball. If Sharper had been more aware of down and distance, and playing a little closer, he could have simply broken the pass up.

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[Iron Mike]

Hi, new guy here and I am a lifelong Vikings fan. I've been reading packerats since my pack fan buddy showed this site.


Anyway I just thought it should be pointed out that the "4th and 26" play was the direct result of then rookie Nick Barnett not being where he should have been. I can't remember if it was PA or not, but Barnett was too concerned with the RB and did not get the drop he should have. Not Sharper's fault.

Hmmm........caps lock issues, grammatical and spelling errors.

Did Mad ban a Bear troll that found a new IP address???

Sorry about the grammatical and spelling errors.

Caps lock was intentional.

HATE THE BEARS!!

Hester is scary with the ball in his hands no matter how it gets there. He did'nt show much at WR last year but I would imagine every opposing D coordinator notices him when he takes the field.

I'll reserve judgement on that.