Darren Sharper - HOFer

[SMACKTALKIE]

Hi, new guy here and I am a lifelong Vikings fan. I've been reading packerats since my pack fan buddy showed this site.


Anyway I just thought it should be pointed out that the "4th and 26" play was the direct result of then rookie Nick Barnett not being where he should have been. I can't remember if it was PA or not, but Barnett was too concerned with the RB and did not get the drop he should have. Not Sharper's fault.

Hmmm........caps lock issues, grammatical and spelling errors.

Did Mad ban a Bear troll that found a new IP address???

Sorry about the grammatical and spelling errors.

Caps lock was intentional.

HATE THE BEARS!!

Hester is scary with the ball in his hands no matter how it gets there. He did'nt show much at WR last year but I would imagine every opposing D coordinator notices him when he takes the field.

I'll reserve judgement on that.

Well I can see your point.......I guess I'll have to be more obvious in my allegiance. So here we go:

The Vikings will win the NFC north this year.
The pack won't make the playoffs.
A-Rog has not proven himself enough to be considered any better than T-Jack.

I realize this is completely off the subject but I want to convey to you that I am not a bears fan. I also did not want to say the above statemants until I felt I was better established in packerrats.com so as not to come off too cocky or arrogant. It is how I feel because I am a Vikings fan.

[Zool]

Well I can see your point.......I guess I'll have to be more obvious in my allegiance. So here we go:

The Vikings will win the NFC north this year.
The pack won't make the playoffs.
A-Rog has not proven himself enough to be considered any better than T-Jack.

I realize this is completely off the subject but I want to convey to you that I am not a bears fan. I also did not want to say the above statemants until I felt I was better established in packerrats.com so as not to come off too cocky or arrogant. It is how I feel because I am a Vikings fan.

So you must think the Vike's D is sustantially better than the Packers then. I agree that the Vikings can and will run better than the Packers, but Rice and Berrian are not Driver, Jennings Jones. That leaves the D as the difference maker.

[sharpe1027]

So you must think the Vike's D is sustantially better than the Packers then. I agree that the Vikings can and will run better than the Packers, but Rice and Berrian are not Driver, Jennings Jones. That leaves the D as the difference maker.

Don't forget coaching. Childress is a offensive guru who is better than Holmgren, just ask him. I'm sure Vikings fans agree that his offense (1st down: run - 2nd down: run - 3rd down: short pass to the saftey valve) is the result of a superior offensive mind.

[SMACKTALKIE]

Well I can see your point.......I guess I'll have to be more obvious in my allegiance. So here we go:

The Vikings will win the NFC north this year.
The pack won't make the playoffs.
A-Rog has not proven himself enough to be considered any better than T-Jack.

I realize this is completely off the subject but I want to convey to you that I am not a bears fan. I also did not want to say the above statemants until I felt I was better established in packerrats.com so as not to come off too cocky or arrogant. It is how I feel because I am a Vikings fan.

So you must think the Vike's D is sustantially better than the Packers then. I agree that the Vikings can and will run better than the Packers, but Rice and Berrian are not Driver, Jennings Jones. That leaves the D as the difference maker.

I think the addition of Jared Allen will help the pass D greatly. I think The addition of Berrian will help Jackson greatly.

I think the subtraction of Favre will hinder Green Bay's O greatly in the running and passing game.

I won't go so far as to say the Viking's D is substantially better than Green Bay's........but better yes.

[SMACKTALKIE]

So you must think the Vike's D is sustantially better than the Packers then. I agree that the Vikings can and will run better than the Packers, but Rice and Berrian are not Driver, Jennings Jones. That leaves the D as the difference maker.

Don't forget coaching. Childress is a offensive guru who is better than Holmgren, just ask him. I'm sure Vikings fans agree that his offense (1st down: run - 2nd down: run - 3rd down: short pass to the saftey valve) is the result of a superior offensive mind.

I think Childress's play calling is a result of the personnelle he had/has to work with. I think (hope) that will change as T-Jack continues to become more comfortable with the offense, and as the offense continues to become more comfortable with the system.

[Deputy Nutz]

Well I can see your point.......I guess I'll have to be more obvious in my allegiance. So here we go:

The Vikings will win the NFC north this year.
The pack won't make the playoffs.
A-Rog has not proven himself enough to be considered any better than T-Jack.

I realize this is completely off the subject but I want to convey to you that I am not a bears fan. I also did not want to say the above statemants until I felt I was better established in packerrats.com so as not to come off too cocky or arrogant. It is how I feel because I am a Vikings fan.

So you must think the Vike's D is sustantially better than the Packers then. I agree that the Vikings can and will run better than the Packers, but Rice and Berrian are not Driver, Jennings Jones. That leaves the D as the difference maker.

I think the addition of Jared Allen will help the pass D greatly. I think The addition of Berrian will help Jackson greatly.

I think the subtraction of Favre will hinder Green Bay's O greatly in the running and passing game.

I won't go so far as to say the Viking's D is substantially better than Green Bay's........but better yes.

Did they fix their secondary? I hope Jared Allen has a nice drop.

[SMACKTALKIE]

Well I can see your point.......I guess I'll have to be more obvious in my allegiance. So here we go:

The Vikings will win the NFC north this year.
The pack won't make the playoffs.
A-Rog has not proven himself enough to be considered any better than T-Jack.

I realize this is completely off the subject but I want to convey to you that I am not a bears fan. I also did not want to say the above statemants until I felt I was better established in packerrats.com so as not to come off too cocky or arrogant. It is how I feel because I am a Vikings fan.

So you must think the Vike's D is sustantially better than the Packers then. I agree that the Vikings can and will run better than the Packers, but Rice and Berrian are not Driver, Jennings Jones. That leaves the D as the difference maker.

I think the addition of Jared Allen will help the pass D greatly. I think The addition of Berrian will help Jackson greatly.

I think the subtraction of Favre will hinder Green Bay's O greatly in the running and passing game.

I won't go so far as to say the Viking's D is substantially better than Green Bay's........but better yes.

Did they fix their secondary? I hope Jared Allen has a nice drop.

That's the point......a solid pass rush will help the secondary. Fixed? We will see. Addressed? Definately yes.

[Zool]

I think you're going to be rudely greeted by Berrians abilities. He's not everything he's cracked up to be, he just happened to be the only fish worth anything available in FA. I think Rice will end up the best Viking receiver, probably by the end of this season.

Rodgers will be better than T-bags at QB IMO starting week 1. And if the Pack can rush for 1800+ this year, the Packers will win the division.

[SMACKTALKIE]

I think you're going to be rudely greeted by Berrians abilities. He's not everything he's cracked up to be, he just happened to be the only fish worth anything available in FA. I think Rice will end up the best Viking receiver, probably by the end of this season.

Rodgers will be better than T-bags at QB IMO starting week 1. And if the Pack can rush for 1800+ this year, the Packers will win the division.

I agree with you about Berrian, he is the one FA we got this year that could be a bust.....but the Vikes badly needed help at WR, and Berrian was the best available option, overpaid is a temporary lable these days.

I love Rice's potential.

I don't doubt A-Rog's ability, I just question the O's ability to adjust to the different looks defenses will be giving them this year. Looks/blitzes they have not seen in years.

If the Pack, or any team rushes for 1800 yards they will be a very solid team.

[Zool]

1800 only puts you right in the middle of the league in RYPG.

2007 Rushing Stats

Look back for a few years. Its always around 15-17th in the league.

[Pugger]

Rushing is great but passing rules in the NFL these days. Only teams with good passers and better than average WRs (and more than just one or two)are the most successful. So unless the Vikes' WRs and Jackson are much better than last year it will not be easy for them to take the division. However, even a team with Wrecks can defy all odds and win. :P I'm optomistic that Rodgers will play very well. He has a heck of a receiving corps to throw to.

[SMACKTALKIE]

Rushing is great but passing rules in the NFL these days. Only teams with good passers and better than average WRs (and more than just one or two)are the most successful. So unless the Vikes' WRs and Jackson are much better than last year it will not be easy for them to take the division. However, even a team with Wrecks can defy all odds and win. :P I'm optomistic that Rodgers will play very well. He has a heck of a receiving corps to throw to.

Your recievers are good. But can they be as good without Favre? I guess we will find out in time.

[Scott Campbell]

A-Rog has not proven himself enough to be considered any better than T-Jack.

I think T-Jack has proven himself to suck worse than anyone in the league not named Grossman. Rodgers is in a completely different league where guys at least have a chance at being something.

[Rastak]

A-Rog has not proven himself enough to be considered any better than T-Jack.

I think T-Jack has proven himself to suck worse than anyone in the league not named Grossman. Rodgers is in a completely different league where guys at least have a chance at being something.

Not true. He was not dead last in QB rating and was 8-4 as a starter. In addition, he improved quite a bit as the year went on. 65% completion percentage in the last half of the season and a 80 something QB rating.


Is he a great NFL QB? Ummm, probably not, but he looked solid in his last game and much better in overall in the second half of the season. Division 2 to NFL was a stupid move by the Vikings but he's now had enough live fire where he should improve.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Not true. He was not dead last in QB rating and was 8-4 as a starter.

I love this stat. It's like saying Rex Grossman was a starter for an NFC Champion. True, but it was in spite of him. To be fair, he shouldn't get credit for San Diego. He got injured in a tie game, and Bollinger led the team to a commanding victory. Another game he went 9 for 23 with 0 TDs and 1 int and won because Peterson ran all over the Bears. Another one they won because of the implosion by Eli Manning (I think the Vikings scored something like four defensive TDs). His other victories were against a horrible teams (Atlanta, Oakland, Detroit, San Fran, and Chicago).