JAVON WALKER TO DENVER- IT'S PERSONAL

[MadtownPacker]

To be fair: Walker's rookie deal was 6y/$9.5M, so he wasn't quite making the type of money you are suggesting. I know it was just short of 8 figures, but it was only a little over $1.5M/year. I don't think it was unreasonable for him to seek a better deal at the time, but he went about it in a bad way. The Packers were cap-strapped and he made the negotiations contentious.

Didnt his stupid ass choose the 6 years?

[Deputy Nutz]

Grant hasn't held out yet so there is no way he can be compared to the jamoron walker. I can sympathize with Grant to a point. With walker I said "fuck him" almost immediately. My only concern with Grant is that he will get injured from lack of offseason prep.

I don't believe Walker held out. He showed up for camp in 2004.

[MadtownPacker]

I don't believe Walker held out. He showed up for camp in 2004.

He missed a lot of the offseason crap and screw you for defending him anyways!

[Deputy Nutz]

I don't believe Walker held out. He showed up for camp in 2004.

He missed a lot of the offseason crap and screw you for defending him anyways!

Grant is not taking part of OTAs he is in attendance, but is not practicing.

[MadtownPacker]

I don't believe Walker held out. He showed up for camp in 2004.

He missed a lot of the offseason crap and screw you for defending him anyways!

Grant is not taking part of OTAs he is in attendance, but is not practicing.

I saw pictures of him riding the stationary bike near the shitters. Does that count?

It tells me he respects/cares about his teammates enough to show up.

[bobblehead]

At this point, I don't lump grant in with walker.

BUT....the contract walker got was more or less "slotted" by his draft position. He outplayed it big time.

The contract grant isn't signing is "slotted" for a second year guy who didn't get drafted. He outplayed it big time.

Walker stayed in phenomenal shape and said things like "I love this organization" "We are a great team, but I have to think about my future as well" Grant has done and said all the right things up to this point as well.

Walker didn't become an asshat until after his injury and rehab. We haven't seen Grant in that situation yet. I agree with most I don't think he will become such, but you never know.

If the packers offered Grant a contract equal to the #16 pick in the draft this year should he sign it?? Or say the same deal Harrell got last year? No you all seem to think he deserves much more simply because he wasn't good enough to get a multi year deal in the first place.

Is he under contract...no, but he is the exclusive property of the packers for the offer on the table("slotted" by his not being drafted), he has two choices if they play hardball. Sign or sit.

JWalk was under his "slotted" contract based on his draft position. He had two choices, play for that or sit.

I AM NOT defending JWalk, but I am being much harder on Grant than the rest of you. He should have signed the offer and told TT he wanted to work out a longer deal please. He should be working out with his team right now. If he put in 7-10 good games TT would have given him a better deal than Donald Lee got. This way..I'm not so sure.

[sharpe1027]

Walker was making eight figures when he held out. He also got a decent signing bonus. Grant is playing for the league minimum with virtually no signing bonus.

To be fair: Walker's rookie deal was 6y/$9.5M, so he wasn't quite making the type of money you are suggesting. I know it was just short of 8 figures, but it was only a little over $1.5M/year. I don't think it was unreasonable for him to seek a better deal at the time, but he went about it in a bad way. The Packers were cap-strapped and he made the negotiations contentious.

My mistake, I meant 7 figures. My math skills have failed me again.

[motife]

Javon Walker is unlikely to even start for the Raiders, per team sources after seeing him in offseason workouts.

[Tarlam!]

Walker didn't become an asshat until after his injury and rehab.

This is flat out incorrect. He held out before he was injured. Many people wonder if he had done the training, would he have indeed been so susceptible to injury.

I vividly remember the discussions. He acted like an idiot that whole pre season.

[Patler]

I don't believe Walker held out. He showed up for camp in 2004.

He missed a lot of the offseason crap and screw you for defending him anyways!

Grant is not taking part of OTAs he is in attendance, but is not practicing.

Walker skipped all activities completely, including the mandatory minicamp. He simply wasn't there at all.

Grant is at everything, did the conditioning stuff, is attending class room and coaching things. The only thing he is not doing is the on-the-field stuff; but he is there, observing, just like the injured players.

Big difference, in my opinion.

[woodbuck27]

I don't believe Walker held out. He showed up for camp in 2004.

He missed a lot of the offseason crap and screw you for defending him anyways!

Grant is not taking part of OTAs he is in attendance, but is not practicing.

Walker skipped all activities completely, including the mandatory minicamp. He simply wasn't there at all.

Grant is at everything, did the conditioning stuff, is attending class room and coaching things. The only thing he is not doing is the on-the-field stuff; but he is there, observing, just like the injured players.

Big difference, in my opinion.

Let's re-focus here please.

Would it be ''earth shaking'' for the Packers management to settle this in terms favorable to Grant, the team needs at a supreme skill position, and maybe, assuring to fans that this is Cap money well spent?

We need this man in prime game condition, not the way we saw Javon Walker and Bubba Franks get to, despite their ''private workouts''.

[Patler]

Would it be ''earth shaking'' for the Packers management to settle this in terms favorable to Grant, the team needs at a supreme skill position, and maybe, assuring to fans that this is Cap money well spent?

We need this man in prime game condition, not the way we saw Javon Walker and Bubba Franks get to, despite their ''private workouts''.

I think it will be settled, and before training camp.

However, I'm not worried if it is not settled until just before TC. Whereas Walker (and I think Franks, too) skipped everything and did their own private workouts, Grant has attended everything, and is conditioning with the team, under the supervision of the team trainers and coaches. He is getting the same "book learning" as all the others. Basically, all he isn't doing are the run-throughs of the plays.

If he starts missing the full-speed, on field activities during training camp I will be disappointed.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Would it be ''earth shaking'' for the Packers management to settle this in terms favorable to Grant, the team needs at a supreme skill position, and maybe, assuring to fans that this is Cap money well spent?

Earth shaking would be for woody to compliment Ted Thompson. In case you haven't noticed, since the Walker fiasco the Packers have rewarded their own. Kampman got a big deal. Driver was extended twice and Harris was extended once when they weren't at the end of their deals. Lee and Wells were extended. KGB wasn't dumped despite his high salary. Getting Grant signed to a long-term deal is exactly the type of move Ted Thompson has shown he'll make.

[bobblehead]

I don't believe Walker held out. He showed up for camp in 2004.

He missed a lot of the offseason crap and screw you for defending him anyways!

Grant is not taking part of OTAs he is in attendance, but is not practicing.

Walker skipped all activities completely, including the mandatory minicamp. He simply wasn't there at all.

Grant is at everything, did the conditioning stuff, is attending class room and coaching things. The only thing he is not doing is the on-the-field stuff; but he is there, observing, just like the injured players.

Big difference, in my opinion.

I think its a mild difference, but it is valid. Again, to tarlem, you are equating JWalk being an asshat because he was under contract and Grant isn't. I see no difference and have stated why, you can accept or reject it. JWalk at this point was being sincere and talking up the team, but asking for more money, same as grant.

When camp starts if Grant isn't under contract we can make more comparisons, but I hope he is under a good fair contract at that point and we can not have to worry about it.

[Tarlam!]

Again, to tarlem, you are equating JWalk being an asshat because he was under contract and Grant isn't. I see no difference and have stated why, you can accept or reject it. JWalk at this point was being sincere and talking up the team, but asking for more money, same as grant.[/]

Sorry, Bob, but you are out with your timings by a mile. http://gnb.scout.com/2/376285.html

By this time, Walker had become a cancer.