JAVON FOUND UNCONSCIOUS IN VEGAS!!!

[FavreChild]

But he did nothing illegal or harmful. All the rush to judge him seems pretty unreasonable.

He's being judged as an idiot, not as a criminal.

If I go into some shit hole in the darkest heart of Detroit, find a bunch of black fellas all dressed in the same colors, strip down to a thong, leather chaps, a necklace with $100,000 of diamonds hanging off it, and a KKK Grand Dragon hood on my head and do a nice pole dance on the bar, I haven't really done anything illegal either. But what the fuck do you thinks going to happen to my white ass?

Well, first of all, that's not an equal comparison. If - IF - Javon sprayed some champagne, whoopdeedoo - and if it was sooo offensive, his ass would have been kicked out of the club.

Secondly, I got no problem with him being judged as an idiot (although I disagree with the judgment). The problem comes in with the leap in logic from him being an idiot to not caring if he's the victim of a violent crime.

[FavreChild]

So anyone wearing expensive jewelry is stupid to be wearing it in public because they are just asking to be ripped off - violently if need be?

So what if Javon was showing off his loot at some club?

Does that mean if some jerk is arrogantly driving their Porsche or Maserati, maybe cutting a few people off, then it's okay for them to be beaten and car-jacked?

Sorry, I just don't understand the logic between Javon splurging foolishly and taking a chance on being ripped off. I'm sure he never thought for one minute that he'd get shit-kicked and robbed as a consequence of partying too much at some club. I know that wouldn't be my concern; I'd just be worried about having a good time.

I'll stop now. But all I'm saying is that what you're asking of Javon - don't wear jewelry, don't go out an party in public when you're a well-known football player, don't spend lavishly - that's unreasonable. None of those things are wrong or offensive. The champagne thing - IF it's true - maybe is mildly offensive at MOST when you're at a club full of drunks. Jeez, it's not even as bad as throwing a drink at somebody, which is deliberately provocative.

[Zool]

Does that mean if some jerk is arrogantly driving their Porsche or Maserati, maybe cutting a few people off, then it's okay for them to be beaten and car-jacked?

This isnt fair either. People that drive like that DO deserve to be beaten no matter the type of car.

[packers11]

I'll stop now. But all I'm saying is that what you're asking of Javon - don't wear jewelry, don't go out an party in public when you're a well-known football player, don't spend lavishly - that's unreasonable. .

wrong... most people are saying that if he is going to be such a hot head, at-least bring some security with him or stay in the populated areas (were security is present)... ESPICALLY after seeing what happened to his friend... I mean he is 60 million dollars richer, what would a couple thousand to a security company do to his bank account???

[Badgerinmaine]

Against my better judgment, I'm going to keep going. At a time when so many have so little, I DO think there's something deeply offensive about wearing flashy things to just show off how wealthy one is, or wasting so much money on firing $15,000 of champagne into a crowd. We're all stewards of what we have, and we should use it wisely. Last night, my church was discussing what we are going to do to help people here in Maine who cannot afford to heat their homes this winter when we have major deficits of our own (fixing the leaking steeple's stonework alone is going to run around $100K). We're looking at taking volunteers to staff our parish hall so the elderly and others with financial problems in a state where nearly 90% heat with heating oil--now going for over $4.50 a gallon--can stay warm and avoid pneumonia. As the Good Book says, "to those much has been given, much is expected". One can dress nicely and live nicely without doing so in a way designed to run others down.

But again--I do NOT think crime victims deserve what they get. Aside from self-defense--which looks extremely unlikely here--nothing could possibly justify what happened to Javon Walker. I hope and pray that he recovers. There is something to be said for being careful and taking responsibility for oneself to avoid trouble--but even someone who doesn't does not deserve to be beaten senseless--or at all--by angry people.

[CaptainKickass]

Does that mean if some jerk is arrogantly driving their Porsche or Maserati, maybe cutting a few people off, then it's okay for them to be beaten and car-jacked?

Many would say yes. I don't think it's correct - but that's what we have laws for. Many is the time I've been all road raged up and wanted to do exactly this. What kept me from doing it? The fact that 5 glorious minutes of a much deserved ass-whooping would not be worth the years in prison.

People have been killing each other for less since the dawn of man.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

The San Francisco Chronicle is reporting that Javon Walker "had about $3,000 in cash and $100,000 in jewelry stolen, which included a watch, necklace and earrings", according to a Las Vegas police lieutenant:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/06/17/SPD011AK4A.DTL

The lieutenant also says that the police believe the incident was not random and that the attackers knew who Walker was.

This leaves me several thoughts:
1. That is one hell of a lot of loot to be carrying around at one time. Here in central Maine, you could buy a decent small house with the cash value of the jewelry Walker was wearing. (I can only imagine what our homeless shelters and food banks here--who are seeing record numbers of people seeking help--could do with a tenth of that money). Wearing all that jewelry in public in a place like Las Vegas seems awfully risky to me and fits in with the idea that his flaunting his wealth could have rubbed people the wrong way.
2. There's a pattern of bad judgment on Walker's part.
3. But, putting yourself at risk still does not absolve the attackers of responsibility, nor does it mean Walker deserved to be beaten or robbed. However, maybe the next high-rolling pro athlete will think twice in a similar situation and something good will come from it all in the end.

Badger,

I have to respectfully disagree.

1. Loot. Carrying 3K in vegas is NOTHNG. I've seen way more cash than that in your basic Scottsdale club. My god, to get you and your six friends into a good club and not wait in line is gonna run a hundy per person. And, then you are gonna want a table..that is another 1K right there.
2. Jewelry. Again, 100K is nothing. He might have spent 50K alone on a watch..iced out. Or, you could spot doctors and lawyers wearing 30K watches from Panerai, Audemar Piaget, etc. that cost that amount. A really nice watch and a couple of chains is 100K..and you would look at him and think, that is some fancy jewelry, but far from ridiculous bling you see on some rappers. According to reports, watch, necklace, and earings. Easily could spend 10-20k on diamond studs. Watch 50K. 30K on necklace.

Now, perhaps you dont' appprove of how he spends his money..and i can appreciate that, but it is his money, he earned it (ok, folks...take the shots at earning it...more than fair game)..and can spend it as he chooses.

3. It is Vegas. THat is the whole point of Vegas..to look your best. My god, if you can't rock it in Vegas..where can you? Vegas is all about ostentatious, over the top, gaudy behavior...from ridiculous jewelry...to women flaunting it.

4.Bad judgement. Look, i could see it if we were talking about his hometown..repeatedly going out and associating with a bad element. But, this is vegas. He was a normal club..a club that i've been to..and every college student at ASU has been to as well.

He didn't deserve to be beaten. He didn't have it coming. Spraying people at clubs is quite common. Not a black or white thing..a club thing.

Some of the posters on this board are just..well, impossible to please. If javon was out with large posse..they would proclaim him an asshole for doing that. Who does he think he is. Or, if some sorta incident happened and his posse protected him...they would say..that is what happens when you have a posse.

If he goes out and tries to be a fairly normal person..in vegas..a place that celebs/athletes go to frequently, then he is stupid and has it coming.

Why dont' we all wait and see what develops. the police don't believe it was random.

didn't anyone learn anything from the rush to judgement on sean taylor?

[Badgerinmaine]

Why dont' we all wait and see what develops. the police don't believe it was random.

didn't anyone learn anything from the rush to judgement on sean taylor?

I can't argue about what's typical in Las Vegas or Arizona not having been there (though hearing the details makes me feel happier than ever to live in Maine ) , and I also respectfully disagree with some of your opinions--but on the points above about withholding judgment, you are absolutely right. Well said, sir.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Why dont' we all wait and see what develops. the police don't believe it was random.

didn't anyone learn anything from the rush to judgement on sean taylor?

I can't argue about what's typical in Las Vegas or Arizona not having been there (though hearing the details makes me feel happier than ever to live in Maine ) , and I also respectfully disagree with some of your opinions--but on the points above about withholding judgment, you are absolutely right. Well said, sir.

Agreed.

The west is much different than the east coast or midwest. Takes some gettin use to.

[mission]

100 stacks on jewelry aint much...

but javon is an idiot because he knows better.

i dont where my tag heuer when i roll up the block to buy some blunts or pork skins let alone gleaming ear to ear off the lightposts.

if you gettin into it all night at the club, poppin bottles, bein obviously fucked up, probably talkin a lil "friendly" shit that eventually isnt perceived as such... and then leave alone...

sorry, but we got one word for that: (a) vic.. (a) mark... a... "victim" for all you "omg poor javon" people.

that will happen 9 times out of 10 if he tries it again... his lack of judgement -- or probably more accurately -- his lack of motor skills, put him in the situation.

party it up, bump em up, drop em back, whatever... but dont be a fuckin obnoxious, out of control asshole and know when you're about to do something that even a five year old knows better than to do.




i said it in the last thread and ill say it again...

The Law of Bob: When Bob has a problem with everyone, the problem is usually Bob.

[packers11]

pft.com

MAYWEATHER-WALKER RUMORS GATHER STEAM
Posted by Mike Florio on June 17, 2008, 8:10 p.m.
A league source tells us that there’s definitely talk among more than a few players of some potential connection between the face rearrangement suffered by Raiders receiver Javon Walker and boxer Floyd Mayweather.

Though the rumors don’t implicate Mayweather, the unfounded innuendo making the rounds on the web are that Mayweather and Walker were in a champagne bidding war at some point over the weekend, and that at some point thereafter one or more persons with ties to Mayweather came across Walker and proceeded to pound the living crap out of him.

Of course, it’s entirely possible that the rumors among NFL players trace to the Internet rumors, and not to anyone who knows anything about what happened.

As for Walker, it’s unknown whether he has said anything to anyone about what occurred. There’s a chance that Walker will opt for the “I don’t remember nothing” approach, if he has any concerns about possible retaliation.

Per media reports, Walker was robbed of $3,000 in cash and $100,000 in jewelry.

“He’s a guy that was in the wrong place at the wrong time,” Packers linebacker Nick Barnett told WBAY-TV in Green Bay. “I mean, it’s happened to him a couple of times now. He was just trying to go out and have a good time. It’s not his fault. It’s scary that that can happen to another individual.”

[RashanGary]

Well, first of all, that's not an equal comparison. If - IF - Javon sprayed some champagne, whoopdeedoo - and if it was sooo offensive, his ass would have been kicked out of the club.

Secondly, I got no problem with him being judged as an idiot (although I disagree with the judgment). The problem comes in with the leap in logic from him being an idiot to not caring if he's the victim of a violent crime.

Who do you think is going to get kicked out? The poor thugs wearing their best cloths and spending more than they can afford just to have a few drinks or the guy who just spent 15,000 on champagne?

That's the whole thing about spraying people down with Champagne, if you're rich you have to power to soak the shit out of whoever you want and you won't get kicked out. It's insulting as shit to be the loser who's being degraded, but that's what not having money buys you. However, as soon as Javon gets outside the cozy confines of a club where his money protects him those losers who Javon got to spray down with no concenquence might take offense. Maybe Javon thinks it's just fun and meant no harm, but there is some thug with a chip on his shoulder who was probably really pissed off and humiliated in front of his girl friend and friends. Then there is a matter of flashing money around and some people will just beat him down for that.

Nobody is saying he deserved this in an "eye for an eye" sense. He didn't hurt anyone physically, but he pissed a few poeple off and drew attention to himself. If it happens again you feel a little bad, but you say "damn, it was bound to happen, the guy's an idiot". That's where we're all at. He's an idiot that is putting himself in situations where bad things are boudn to happne. If I did that even once "and I owuldn't even if I had that much money", I would certainly not do it again but he did. Maybe he didn't deserve it, but if I put myself there I'd take full responsiblity for my idiocy so why not hold that moron to the same standard I would hold myself.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Well, first of all, that's not an equal comparison. If - IF - Javon sprayed some champagne, whoopdeedoo - and if it was sooo offensive, his ass would have been kicked out of the club.

Secondly, I got no problem with him being judged as an idiot (although I disagree with the judgment). The problem comes in with the leap in logic from him being an idiot to not caring if he's the victim of a violent crime.

Who do you think is going to get kicked out? The poor thugs wearing their best cloths and spending more than they can afford just to have a few drinks or the guy who just spent 15,000 on champagne?

That's the whole thing about spraying people down with Champagne, if you're rich you have to power to soak the shit out of whoever you want and you won't get kicked out. It's insulting as shit to be the loser who's being degraded, but that's what not having money buys you. However, as soon as Javon gets outside the cozy confines of a club where his money protects him those losers who Javon got to spray down with no concenquence might take offense. Maybe Javon thinks it's just fun and meant no harm, but there is some thug with a chip on his shoulder who was probably really pissed off and humiliated in front of his girl friend and friends. Then there is a matter of flashing money around and some people will just beat him down for that.

Nobody is saying he deserved this in an "eye for an eye" sense. He didn't hurt anyone physically, but he pissed a few poeple off and drew attention to himself. If it happens again you feel a little bad, but you say "damn, it was bound to happen, the guy's an idiot". That's where we're all at. He's an idiot that is putting himself in situations where bad things are boudn to happne. If I did that even once "and I owuldn't even if I had that much money", I would certainly not do it again but he did. Maybe he didn't deserve it, but if I put myself there I'd take full responsiblity for my idiocy so why not hold that moron to the same standard I would hold myself.

Justin,

Have you been to a club in vegas? From your post, doesn't sound like it.

NO one was being degraded.

And, if the rumors are true...that is going to make you look even more foolish.

And, to even start guessing that what he did at the club has something to do with his attack...at this time is premature.

[bobblehead]

I'll say this, the jewelry and cash JWalk was sportin ain't all that for vegas. I know guys who walk around with 25K cash and well over 100k in bling. They are generally smart enough not to get caught in a spot they could get mugged, worst case they get bonked over the head by a hooker who makes off with the cash.

The spraying the crowd with champagne...that I take issue with..If I bought a bottle of dom and sprayed it from the bar out I go in a hurry. BUT, if I run up a 20K bar tab in the process of spraying 10-15 bottles on the crowd, nobody touches me, fair..probably not, but that is life.

I'm not "judging" him, but I'm not surprised if he was dumb enough to be alone where they found him that he got rolled and whooped. There is a reason the vegas clubs work very hard to keep the hip hop crowd in but the gang crowd out...its a fine line, but that fine line is worth millions a year with minimal crime.

One more thing, Tryst is a bit of a different club and you can spray that crowd down and get away with it, most of them are there for the sole fact they want to see JWalk, or Money Meyweather and tell their friends how JWalk sprayed them. Body English is a bunch of younger guys spending more than they want to trying to get laid and they don't want JWalk spraying them down in front of the chic they are trying to impress. He is guilty of being an idiot, I don't think he "deserved" an ass whooping, but no one should be shocked he got one.

[Guiness]

Badger,

I have to respectfully disagree.

[snip] (no one needs to read all that again if they're following the thread!)

Agreed with your points that 3K is nothing in Vegas...and 100K in jewelry seems steep, but I can't really comment...I've seen a gold Rolex Submariner for $20K and a Panerai for $25K, so I guess custom models could easily get up there. Anyways, you're quite right that if you can't wear and flaunt that stuff in Vegas, where the heck can you???

My issue is still with where he was found, and that he was alone. Say whatever you want about him not deserving it, etc, but you can't ignore basic human nature, and for crying out loud, if I knew a guy was carrying 100K, and he went down a back alley alone, I'd consider tapping him on the back of the head!!!!

Of course, he wasn't just tapped - he was beaten. So maybe he played tough guy, and stood up to some muggers, or he was targeted because of his behavior in the club...