Most overated coach of all-time?

[MadtownPacker]

This is a stupid fucking poll. How the hell is Holmgren overrated when half his coaching staff is now a HC in the NFL?? As for Jackson, how the hell does 9 rings make you overrated?? Red Auerbach himself was quoted saying it was all about the players.

Punching yourself in the nuts is probably overrated too but you should try it sometime.

[bobblehead]

Not sure why you have it limited to just two choices and yes, I will agree that both are over rated. However, I can think of others who deserve to be there before Holmgren. Marty Schottenheimer and Bill Parcels jump out at me at the moment.....

Say what, Parcells takes over shit programs every where he goes and turns them around....after he leaves those programs tend to slip off considerably(see cowboys this season, I'm calling 9-7)

IMO, Parcells was only successful when Bellichik was by his side.

And his last test...with Dallas. The team was a joke and he couldn't control TO. Look at the turnaround in the big D since he left.

Yea, he quit because Jones wouldn't LET HIM control TO. Now here we are 2 years after parcells and TO isn't at the workouts. You can't point out them winning a few games, going one and done in the playoffs as big improvement....especially when it is PARCELLS THAT BUILT THAT TEAM. Again, talk to me this season as Miami improves and Dallas tanks.

[Fritz]

Mr. Kettle, my little league coach. He had all the pieces to win a championship in a four-team little league (including me, all-star center fielder and league batting champ), and he couldn't manage our (parents') egos. He yelled and screamed and after a while we tuned him out. Yet somehow he had a rep like Bill Parcells.

Way overrated, Mr. Kettle was.

[mraynrand]

Lot of haters on this forum.

parcells overrated. LOL

Jackson overrated. LOL

Agreed. How much better do you get than Parcells and Jackson? The answer is none - none much better.

I have to admit though, this is a really tough category - mostly because nobody really tends to give any coach any props at all. I'm sitting here trying to think of a non-retired coach that people still love. The guys that are overrated tend to be the one-year wonders in their one year - like Sean Payton, perhaps even Lovie Smith or the hot $hit new coaches who come from a 'great system' or tradition, like Childress. They're typically overrated until a few games into their first season. So perhaps the MOST OVERRATED HEAD COACH OF ALL TIME should go to Marty Morningwheg (5-27 and 0-16 on the road, elected to kick off in overtime), because he was thought to be a good west coast coach, there was real optimism in Detroit, and he was in reality one of the all-time worst coaches in the history of the NFL, right next to Les Steckel. Note, this is for Head Coach, because both Marty and Les had success as coordinators or position coaches - that's probably why they were allowed to be head coach for more than one game.

[mraynrand]

Mr. Kettle, my little league coach. He had all the pieces to win a championship in a four-team little league (including me, all-star center fielder and league batting champ), and he couldn't manage our (parents') egos. He yelled and screamed and after a while we tuned him out. Yet somehow he had a rep like Bill Parcells.

Way overrated, Mr. Kettle was.

Sounds like a case of the pot calling the Kettle black.

[mraynrand]

DID I HEAR TALKING OUT THERE! DROP AND GIVE ME 50!!!




"Les Steckel

Former NFL Coach, Golden Glove Boxing Champion and "Leader of Men""

http://premierespeakers.com/les_steckel

[bobblehead]

Mr. Kettle, my little league coach. He had all the pieces to win a championship in a four-team little league (including me, all-star center fielder and league batting champ), and he couldn't manage our (parents') egos. He yelled and screamed and after a while we tuned him out. Yet somehow he had a rep like Bill Parcells.

Way overrated, Mr. Kettle was.

Well, that settles it then, parcells blows....my bad.

[Guiness]

Lot of haters on this forum.

parcells overrated. LOL

Jackson overrated. LOL

Agreed. How much better do you get than Parcells and Jackson? The answer is none - none much better.

I have to admit though, this is a really tough category - mostly because nobody really tends to give any coach any props at all. I'm sitting here trying to think of a non-retired coach that people still love. The guys that are overrated tend to be the one-year wonders in their one year - like Sean Payton, perhaps even Lovie Smith or the hot $hit new coaches who come from a 'great system' or tradition, like Childress. They're typically overrated until a few games into their first season. So perhaps the MOST OVERRATED HEAD COACH OF ALL TIME should go to Marty Morningwheg (5-27 and 0-16 on the road, elected to kick off in overtime), because he was thought to be a good west coast coach, there was real optimism in Detroit, and he was in reality one of the all-time worst coaches in the history of the NFL, right next to Les Steckel. Note, this is for Head Coach, because both Marty and Les had success as coordinators or position coaches - that's probably why they were allowed to be head coach for more than one game.

Good thoughts on that. Lots of ways a guy can become overrated - some come in with a lot of fanfare - most recent example is Steve Spurrier. Others move into a great situation, like Sherman. Some others just seem to get lucky for a bit, like the Jet's current head coach. But for the most part, that doesn't last long.

For the record, I don't think either of the mentioned coaches are overrated. But I wouldn't mention Jackson and Holmgren (that's who the poll was about!) in the same breath.

[GBRulz]

Not sure why you have it limited to just two choices and yes, I will agree that both are over rated. However, I can think of others who deserve to be there before Holmgren. Marty Schottenheimer and Bill Parcels jump out at me at the moment.....

Say what, Parcells takes over shit programs every where he goes and turns them around....after he leaves those programs tend to slip off considerably(see cowboys this season, I'm calling 9-7)

IMO, Parcells was only successful when Bellichik was by his side.

And his last test...with Dallas. The team was a joke and he couldn't control TO. Look at the turnaround in the big D since he left.

Yea, he quit because Jones wouldn't LET HIM control TO. Now here we are 2 years after parcells and TO isn't at the workouts. You can't point out them winning a few games, going one and done in the playoffs as big improvement....especially when it is PARCELLS THAT BUILT THAT TEAM. Again, talk to me this season as Miami improves and Dallas tanks.

Fair enough. And then you can remind me that Parcells actually built a winner out of a team without Belichik by his side.

[bobblehead]

C'mon, you really believe it was all belicheck? Wild bill has coached exactly one team to prominence....with Tom Brady as his QB, and he CHEATED the whole way.

and parcells did turn around dallas, you can't deny that, he went from 3 straight 5-11 seasons to making the playoffs and only quit when Jones basically took TO's side. If you really think Wade Phillips is the genius behind the resurgance of the cowboys maybe you should check out his playoff record....0-whatever. As in one and done every time he made the playoffs.

When Bellicheck wins a superbowl without tom brady, and takes 3 seperate sad ass programs to the championship game I'll listen. I don't mean to knock BB, but seriously, to suggest that he is the only reason Parcells was successful is as laughable as any statement I've read on this site.

[Fritz]

Mr. Kettle, my little league coach. He had all the pieces to win a championship in a four-team little league (including me, all-star center fielder and league batting champ), and he couldn't manage our (parents') egos. He yelled and screamed and after a while we tuned him out. Yet somehow he had a rep like Bill Parcells.

Way overrated, Mr. Kettle was.

Well, that settles it then, parcells blows....my bad.

No, no, no. I think Parcells was an excellent coach. Lousy human being, but a good coach. I don't agree that he's overrated, not at all.

I just think Mr. Kettle was overrated. He had a rep like Parcells, but he couldn't bring home the bacon like Parcells could.

[KYPack]

DID I HEAR TALKING OUT THERE! DROP AND GIVE ME 50!!!




"Les Steckel

Former NFL Coach, Golden Glove Boxing Champion and "Leader of Men""

http://premierespeakers.com/les_steckel

I heard that when they fired Les, the headline in Minny was "Less Steckle".

Him and Bill Petersen(ex-Oiler) are the two shittiest NFL xcoaches I've ever seen.

[bobblehead]

Mr. Kettle, my little league coach. He had all the pieces to win a championship in a four-team little league (including me, all-star center fielder and league batting champ), and he couldn't manage our (parents') egos. He yelled and screamed and after a while we tuned him out. Yet somehow he had a rep like Bill Parcells.

Way overrated, Mr. Kettle was.

Well, that settles it then, parcells blows....my bad.

No, no, no. I think Parcells was an excellent coach. Lousy human being, but a good coach. I don't agree that he's overrated, not at all.

I just think Mr. Kettle was overrated. He had a rep like Parcells, but he couldn't bring home the bacon like Parcells could.

Ok, makes more sense that way, I don't know parcells, I can only speculate what he is like. I know a few of his ex players like TO hate him, and several like Harry Carson love him. I have an idea what he is about, but I can't speak with any certainty.

[Charles Woodson]

Oh, btw, Dave Wanstead was a damn awful coach.

[MJZiggy]

So was Steve Spurrier at least in the NFL...