Packers still have best offense in North with Rodgers

[Packnut]

Offense

Ok, let me re-phrase my comment. The fact that you rate the o's even is MIND-BOGGLING.

Like me, you live here in Bears territory and you've seen Berrian just likeI have. He's nothing special. He disappears in games. Does'nt go over the middle. Runs the go pattern and that's about it.

The Packer WR's are a proven group. Add Nelson to the mix and NO ONE has as good a 4 wide set as GB does. The Packer WR's are so much better than the Vike's that it's laughable. HUGE plus to GB.

I'll give you AP over Grant, but not by a whole lot. Just close your eyes and remember Grant's 20+ yd td run in GB.

Packers have a HUGE edge in pass blocking.

Vikes have the edge on the D line but GB has a much better LB's and a much better secondary.

Man, I cannot wait for that Monday night game to get here................

[SMACKTALKIE]

Re: Offense

Ok, let me re-phrase my comment. The fact that you rate the o's even is MIND-BOGGLING.

Like me, you live here in Bears territory and you've seen Berrian just likeI have. He's nothing special. He disappears in games. Does'nt go over the middle. Runs the go pattern and that's about it.

The Packer WR's are a proven group. Add Nelson to the mix and NO ONE has as good a 4 wide set as GB does. The Packer WR's are so much better than the Vike's that it's laughable. HUGE plus to GB.

I'll give you AP over Grant, but not by a whole lot. Just close your eyes and remember Grant's 20+ yd td run in GB.

Packers have a HUGE edge in pass blocking.

Vikes have the edge on the D line but GB has a much better LB's and a much better secondary.

Man, I cannot wait for that Monday night game to get here................

You don't think your statements through very well for a "cerebral" rat.


Like me, you live here in Bears territory and you've seen Berrian just likeI have. He's nothing special. He disappears in games. Does'nt go over the middle. Runs the go pattern and that's about it.

-I've also lived in bears territory and can tell you the bears problems on O start with the line, continue to the QB, and end with the line. Berrian was the best player on that O, and went through something like 5 or 6 QB's. He runs good routes, it's not as simple as you make it sound.



I'll give you AP over Grant, but not by a whole lot. Just close your eyes and remember Grant's 20+ yd td run in GB.

-296!!! Keep your eyes open, AD is WAY better than Grant.


Packers have a HUGE edge in pass blocking.

-If the pass rush does not come up the middle.


Vikes have the edge on the D line but GB has a much better LB's and a much better secondary.

-HUGE edge to the Vikings on D line. The Vikings LB' finished first in stopping the run, how can the packers LB's be so much better. Secondary? Still up for grabs. With the Vikings stellar run D last year the secondary numbers are misleading. When you can't run you pass.

[Packnut]

Re: Offense

Ok, let me re-phrase my comment. The fact that you rate the o's even is MIND-BOGGLING.

Like me, you live here in Bears territory and you've seen Berrian just likeI have. He's nothing special. He disappears in games. Does'nt go over the middle. Runs the go pattern and that's about it.

The Packer WR's are a proven group. Add Nelson to the mix and NO ONE has as good a 4 wide set as GB does. The Packer WR's are so much better than the Vike's that it's laughable. HUGE plus to GB.

I'll give you AP over Grant, but not by a whole lot. Just close your eyes and remember Grant's 20+ yd td run in GB.

Packers have a HUGE edge in pass blocking.

Vikes have the edge on the D line but GB has a much better LB's and a much better secondary.

Man, I cannot wait for that Monday night game to get here................

You don't think your statements through very well for a "cerebral" rat.


Like me, you live here in Bears territory and you've seen Berrian just likeI have. He's nothing special. He disappears in games. Does'nt go over the middle. Runs the go pattern and that's about it.

-I've also lived in bears territory and can tell you the bears problems on O start with the line, continue to the QB, and end with the line. Berrian was the best player on that O, and went through something like 5 or 6 QB's. He runs good routes, it's not as simple as you make it sound.



I'll give you AP over Grant, but not by a whole lot. Just close your eyes and remember Grant's 20+ yd td run in GB.

-296!!! Keep your eyes open, AD is WAY better than Grant.


Packers have a HUGE edge in pass blocking.

-If the pass rush does not come up the middle.


Vikes have the edge on the D line but GB has a much better LB's and a much better secondary.

-HUGE edge to the Vikings on D line. The Vikings LB' finished first in stopping the run, how can the packers LB's be so much better. Secondary? Still up for grabs. With the Vikings stellar run D last year the secondary numbers are misleading. When you can't run you pass.

First-good players stand out no matter what. You can make all the excuses you want about Berrian and the reasons he was in-effective. Facts are facts and even a mis-guided Viking fan should be able to grasp them. You are going to find out the hard way just how stupid giving all that money to an average WR was. The Bears are hurting big-time on offense so do you really think they would have given up on BB if he was any good??????

Second-Saying AP is way better than Grant is also not factual. He is better yes, but not by a large margin. Let's also not forget the injury factor. AP has an injury history and that is also a FACT you cannot dis-miss.

Third- wrong again (what new). Favre was able to step up in the pocket numerous times last season. There was never a constant push from any opponent up the middle.

Fourth- Ok, let's call the LB's a draw since there is no clear cut edge. However, implying that your secondary was weak against the pass only because of the amount of attempts due to teams not running well against Minny is just plain DUMB! Teams passed alot against the Vikes cause your pass defense

SUCKED

[Partial]

Based on last year and how things seem to be going, this is what I see:


Packers Offense > Vikings Offense
Vikings Defense > Packers Defense
Packers ST's > Vikings ST's
Packers depth and abilty to win with injuries > Vikings

Overall is a slight edge to the Packers.

I would reverse offense and defense personally.

I can kinda see where your coming from, but i have to disagree on this one.
AP doesnt vault the Vikings offense over ours. Especially if Grant keeps improving. I mean, we have a better QB and far superior WR's Their Offensive line is better, but i still say as a unit ours is better.
The D is more even imo. They have a better front 4, we probably have a better LB, and i think we have a slightly better secondary.

We have a way better back 7 imo. They might have the best offensive player in the league. I'll take their O with Peterson requiring 8-9 men in the box and our D.

[SMACKTALKIE]

Re: Offense

Ok, let me re-phrase my comment. The fact that you rate the o's even is MIND-BOGGLING.

Like me, you live here in Bears territory and you've seen Berrian just likeI have. He's nothing special. He disappears in games. Does'nt go over the middle. Runs the go pattern and that's about it.

The Packer WR's are a proven group. Add Nelson to the mix and NO ONE has as good a 4 wide set as GB does. The Packer WR's are so much better than the Vike's that it's laughable. HUGE plus to GB.

I'll give you AP over Grant, but not by a whole lot. Just close your eyes and remember Grant's 20+ yd td run in GB.

Packers have a HUGE edge in pass blocking.

Vikes have the edge on the D line but GB has a much better LB's and a much better secondary.

Man, I cannot wait for that Monday night game to get here................

You don't think your statements through very well for a "cerebral" rat.


Like me, you live here in Bears territory and you've seen Berrian just likeI have. He's nothing special. He disappears in games. Does'nt go over the middle. Runs the go pattern and that's about it.

-I've also lived in bears territory and can tell you the bears problems on O start with the line, continue to the QB, and end with the line. Berrian was the best player on that O, and went through something like 5 or 6 QB's. He runs good routes, it's not as simple as you make it sound.



I'll give you AP over Grant, but not by a whole lot. Just close your eyes and remember Grant's 20+ yd td run in GB.

-296!!! Keep your eyes open, AD is WAY better than Grant.


Packers have a HUGE edge in pass blocking.

-If the pass rush does not come up the middle.


Vikes have the edge on the D line but GB has a much better LB's and a much better secondary.

-HUGE edge to the Vikings on D line. The Vikings LB' finished first in stopping the run, how can the packers LB's be so much better. Secondary? Still up for grabs. With the Vikings stellar run D last year the secondary numbers are misleading. When you can't run you pass.

First-good players stand out no matter what. You can make all the excuses you want about Berrian and the reasons he was in-effective. Facts are facts and even a mis-guided Viking fan should be able to grasp them. You are going to find out the hard way just how stupid giving all that money to an average WR was. The Bears are hurting big-time on offense so do you really think they would have given up on BB if he was any good??????

Second-Saying AP is way better than Grant is also not factual. He is better yes, but not by a large margin. Let's also not forget the injury factor. AP has an injury history and that is also a FACT you cannot dis-miss.

Third- wrong again (what new). Favre was able to step up in the pocket numerous times last season. There was never a constant push from any opponent up the middle.

Fourth- Ok, let's call the LB's a draw since there is no clear cut edge. However, implying that your secondary was weak against the pass only because of the amount of attempts due to teams not running well against Minny is just plain DUMB! Teams passed alot against the Vikes cause your pass defense

SUCKED

First off Berrian was an UFA. The Bears did not give up on him....He left.

Second, if you watch that half sack by Allen you speak of so often, it came on a stunt right up the middle.

Third, I'm glad you used the past tense of the word suck to describe the Vikings pass D because the addition of Allen and M. Williams will shore it up. Nothing helps the secondary like a pass rush and Williams is a huge upgrade over D. Smith at FS. Better coverage ability and range, he should allow Sharper to focus on the SS position better than last year.

[Guiness]

Re: Offense

Third, I'm glad you used the past tense of the word suck to describe the Vikings pass D because the addition of Allen and M. Williams will shore it up. Nothing helps the secondary like a pass rush and Williams is a huge upgrade over D. Smith at FS. Better coverage ability and range, he should allow Sharper to focus on the SS position better than last year.

I don't know that you can talk about how good your pass D is going to be, because of 2 new pieces, before they take the field in anything but shorts. I'll grant you that they have a lot of Potential - but there's that 'P' word. I remember how great their pass D was going to be in '05 with Sharper and Smoot...how did that work out for ya?

We've got an returning PD that was effective last year. The only thing that could go wrong is if the CB play drops off.

[Packnut]

Re: Offense

Ok, let me re-phrase my comment. The fact that you rate the o's even is MIND-BOGGLING.

Like me, you live here in Bears territory and you've seen Berrian just likeI have. He's nothing special. He disappears in games. Does'nt go over the middle. Runs the go pattern and that's about it.

The Packer WR's are a proven group. Add Nelson to the mix and NO ONE has as good a 4 wide set as GB does. The Packer WR's are so much better than the Vike's that it's laughable. HUGE plus to GB.

I'll give you AP over Grant, but not by a whole lot. Just close your eyes and remember Grant's 20+ yd td run in GB.

Packers have a HUGE edge in pass blocking.

Vikes have the edge on the D line but GB has a much better LB's and a much better secondary.

Man, I cannot wait for that Monday night game to get here................

You don't think your statements through very well for a "cerebral" rat.


Like me, you live here in Bears territory and you've seen Berrian just likeI have. He's nothing special. He disappears in games. Does'nt go over the middle. Runs the go pattern and that's about it.

-I've also lived in bears territory and can tell you the bears problems on O start with the line, continue to the QB, and end with the line. Berrian was the best player on that O, and went through something like 5 or 6 QB's. He runs good routes, it's not as simple as you make it sound.



I'll give you AP over Grant, but not by a whole lot. Just close your eyes and remember Grant's 20+ yd td run in GB.

-296!!! Keep your eyes open, AD is WAY better than Grant.


Packers have a HUGE edge in pass blocking.

-If the pass rush does not come up the middle.


Vikes have the edge on the D line but GB has a much better LB's and a much better secondary.

-HUGE edge to the Vikings on D line. The Vikings LB' finished first in stopping the run, how can the packers LB's be so much better. Secondary? Still up for grabs. With the Vikings stellar run D last year the secondary numbers are misleading. When you can't run you pass.

First-good players stand out no matter what. You can make all the excuses you want about Berrian and the reasons he was in-effective. Facts are facts and even a mis-guided Viking fan should be able to grasp them. You are going to find out the hard way just how stupid giving all that money to an average WR was. The Bears are hurting big-time on offense so do you really think they would have given up on BB if he was any good??????

Second-Saying AP is way better than Grant is also not factual. He is better yes, but not by a large margin. Let's also not forget the injury factor. AP has an injury history and that is also a FACT you cannot dis-miss.

Third- wrong again (what new). Favre was able to step up in the pocket numerous times last season. There was never a constant push from any opponent up the middle.

Fourth- Ok, let's call the LB's a draw since there is no clear cut edge. However, implying that your secondary was weak against the pass only because of the amount of attempts due to teams not running well against Minny is just plain DUMB! Teams passed alot against the Vikes cause your pass defense

SUCKED

First off Berrian was an UFA. The Bears did not give up on him....He left.

Second, if you watch that half sack by Allen you speak of so often, it came on a stunt right up the middle.

Third, I'm glad you used the past tense of the word suck to describe the Vikings pass D because the addition of Allen and M. Williams will shore it up. Nothing helps the secondary like a pass rush and Williams is a huge upgrade over D. Smith at FS. Better coverage ability and range, he should allow Sharper to focus on the SS position better than last year.

The Bears are millions and millions under the cap. They have no other WR's of impact. They could have easily signed him. They did'nt. Even a Viking's fan should be able to add 2+2..............

[HarveyWallbangers]

I didn't think Dwight Smith was too bad for the Vikings. He made plays and hit hard. Actually, I was more impressed with him than Sharper the last couple of years. Just because Minnesota signed M. Williams, doesn't mean they've upgraded the position. It's not like they signed Brian Dawkins in his prime. Most haven't considered him an upper echelon safety. He has as much chance of being a bust as being a savior.

[SMACKTALKIE]

Re: Offense

Ok, let me re-phrase my comment. The fact that you rate the o's even is MIND-BOGGLING.

Like me, you live here in Bears territory and you've seen Berrian just likeI have. He's nothing special. He disappears in games. Does'nt go over the middle. Runs the go pattern and that's about it.

The Packer WR's are a proven group. Add Nelson to the mix and NO ONE has as good a 4 wide set as GB does. The Packer WR's are so much better than the Vike's that it's laughable. HUGE plus to GB.

I'll give you AP over Grant, but not by a whole lot. Just close your eyes and remember Grant's 20+ yd td run in GB.

Packers have a HUGE edge in pass blocking.

Vikes have the edge on the D line but GB has a much better LB's and a much better secondary.

Man, I cannot wait for that Monday night game to get here................

You don't think your statements through very well for a "cerebral" rat.


Like me, you live here in Bears territory and you've seen Berrian just likeI have. He's nothing special. He disappears in games. Does'nt go over the middle. Runs the go pattern and that's about it.

-I've also lived in bears territory and can tell you the bears problems on O start with the line, continue to the QB, and end with the line. Berrian was the best player on that O, and went through something like 5 or 6 QB's. He runs good routes, it's not as simple as you make it sound.



I'll give you AP over Grant, but not by a whole lot. Just close your eyes and remember Grant's 20+ yd td run in GB.

-296!!! Keep your eyes open, AD is WAY better than Grant.


Packers have a HUGE edge in pass blocking.

-If the pass rush does not come up the middle.


Vikes have the edge on the D line but GB has a much better LB's and a much better secondary.

-HUGE edge to the Vikings on D line. The Vikings LB' finished first in stopping the run, how can the packers LB's be so much better. Secondary? Still up for grabs. With the Vikings stellar run D last year the secondary numbers are misleading. When you can't run you pass.

First-good players stand out no matter what. You can make all the excuses you want about Berrian and the reasons he was in-effective. Facts are facts and even a mis-guided Viking fan should be able to grasp them. You are going to find out the hard way just how stupid giving all that money to an average WR was. The Bears are hurting big-time on offense so do you really think they would have given up on BB if he was any good??????

Second-Saying AP is way better than Grant is also not factual. He is better yes, but not by a large margin. Let's also not forget the injury factor. AP has an injury history and that is also a FACT you cannot dis-miss.

Third- wrong again (what new). Favre was able to step up in the pocket numerous times last season. There was never a constant push from any opponent up the middle.

Fourth- Ok, let's call the LB's a draw since there is no clear cut edge. However, implying that your secondary was weak against the pass only because of the amount of attempts due to teams not running well against Minny is just plain DUMB! Teams passed alot against the Vikes cause your pass defense

SUCKED

First off Berrian was an UFA. The Bears did not give up on him....He left.

Second, if you watch that half sack by Allen you speak of so often, it came on a stunt right up the middle.

Third, I'm glad you used the past tense of the word suck to describe the Vikings pass D because the addition of Allen and M. Williams will shore it up. Nothing helps the secondary like a pass rush and Williams is a huge upgrade over D. Smith at FS. Better coverage ability and range, he should allow Sharper to focus on the SS position better than last year.

The Bears are millions and millions under the cap. They have no other WR's of impact. They could have easily signed him. They did'nt. Even a Viking's fan should be able to add 2+2..............

Seriously dude, you need to do your homework. HE WAS AN UNRESTRICTED FREE AGENT!!! He was free to sign wherever he wanted to.

Here are some Wiki definitions to help you understand:

Unrestricted Free Agents
Unrestricted Free Agents (UFA) are players who have completed four or more accrued seasons of service and whose contracts have expired. They are free to sign with any club.


Restricted Free Agents
Restricted Free Agents (RFA) are players who have completed three accrued seasons of service and whose contracts have expired. They have received qualifying offers from their old clubs and are free to negotiate with any club until April 21, at which time their rights revert to their original club. If a player accepts an offer from a new club, the old club will have the right to match the offer and retain the player. If the old club elects not to match the offer, it may receive draft-choice compensation depending on the level of the qualifying offer made to the player.

The Bears tried to negotiate a contract with Berrian, he simply did not want to play for the Bears.

He CHOSE the Vikings. The Bears DID NOT LET HIM GO.

[SMACKTALKIE]

I didn't think Dwight Smith was too bad for the Vikings. He made plays and hit hard. Actually, I was more impressed with him than Sharper the last couple of years. Just because Minnesota signed M. Williams, doesn't mean they've upgraded the position. It's not like they signed Brian Dawkins in his prime. Most haven't considered him an upper echelon safety. He has as much chance of being a bust as being a savior.

I guess Leslie Fraiser really wanted this guy. He is supposedly better in the Cover 2 than Smith. Smith was/is a solid FS but Williams is a better fit for the scheme.

[Charles Woodson]

Based on last year and how things seem to be going, this is what I see:


Packers Offense > Vikings Offense
Vikings Defense > Packers Defense
Packers ST's > Vikings ST's
Packers depth and abilty to win with injuries > Vikings

Overall is a slight edge to the Packers.

I would reverse offense and defense personally.

I can kinda see where your coming from, but i have to disagree on this one.
AP doesnt vault the Vikings offense over ours. Especially if Grant keeps improving. I mean, we have a better QB and far superior WR's Their Offensive line is better, but i still say as a unit ours is better.
The D is more even imo. They have a better front 4, we probably have a better LB, and i think we have a slightly better secondary.

We have a way better back 7 imo. They might have the best offensive player in the league. I'll take their O with Peterson requiring 8-9 men in the box and our D.

Not a chance, you dont understand that even with 8-9 men in the boxs, T-Jack still blew dick. With a outstanding pack of WR's and a RB that isnt as good, but is still a top 10 in the league, idk how you beat that.

[PackerPro42]

Re: Offense

Ok, let me re-phrase my comment. The fact that you rate the o's even is MIND-BOGGLING.

Like me, you live here in Bears territory and you've seen Berrian just likeI have. He's nothing special. He disappears in games. Does'nt go over the middle. Runs the go pattern and that's about it.

The Packer WR's are a proven group. Add Nelson to the mix and NO ONE has as good a 4 wide set as GB does. The Packer WR's are so much better than the Vike's that it's laughable. HUGE plus to GB.

I'll give you AP over Grant, but not by a whole lot. Just close your eyes and remember Grant's 20+ yd td run in GB.

Packers have a HUGE edge in pass blocking.

Vikes have the edge on the D line but GB has a much better LB's and a much better secondary.

Man, I cannot wait for that Monday night game to get here................

You don't think your statements through very well for a "cerebral" rat.


Like me, you live here in Bears territory and you've seen Berrian just likeI have. He's nothing special. He disappears in games. Does'nt go over the middle. Runs the go pattern and that's about it.

-I've also lived in bears territory and can tell you the bears problems on O start with the line, continue to the QB, and end with the line. Berrian was the best player on that O, and went through something like 5 or 6 QB's. He runs good routes, it's not as simple as you make it sound.



I'll give you AP over Grant, but not by a whole lot. Just close your eyes and remember Grant's 20+ yd td run in GB.

-296!!! Keep your eyes open, AD is WAY better than Grant.


Packers have a HUGE edge in pass blocking.

-If the pass rush does not come up the middle.


Vikes have the edge on the D line but GB has a much better LB's and a much better secondary.

-HUGE edge to the Vikings on D line. The Vikings LB' finished first in stopping the run, how can the packers LB's be so much better. Secondary? Still up for grabs. With the Vikings stellar run D last year the secondary numbers are misleading. When you can't run you pass.

First-good players stand out no matter what. You can make all the excuses you want about Berrian and the reasons he was in-effective. Facts are facts and even a mis-guided Viking fan should be able to grasp them. You are going to find out the hard way just how stupid giving all that money to an average WR was. The Bears are hurting big-time on offense so do you really think they would have given up on BB if he was any good??????

Second-Saying AP is way better than Grant is also not factual. He is better yes, but not by a large margin. Let's also not forget the injury factor. AP has an injury history and that is also a FACT you cannot dis-miss.

Third- wrong again (what new). Favre was able to step up in the pocket numerous times last season. There was never a constant push from any opponent up the middle.

Fourth- Ok, let's call the LB's a draw since there is no clear cut edge. However, implying that your secondary was weak against the pass only because of the amount of attempts due to teams not running well against Minny is just plain DUMB! Teams passed alot against the Vikes cause your pass defense

SUCKED

First off Berrian was an UFA. The Bears did not give up on him....He left.

Second, if you watch that half sack by Allen you speak of so often, it came on a stunt right up the middle.

Third, I'm glad you used the past tense of the word suck to describe the Vikings pass D because the addition of Allen and M. Williams will shore it up. Nothing helps the secondary like a pass rush and Williams is a huge upgrade over D. Smith at FS. Better coverage ability and range, he should allow Sharper to focus on the SS position better than last year.

The Bears are millions and millions under the cap. They have no other WR's of impact. They could have easily signed him. They did'nt. Even a Viking's fan should be able to add 2+2..............

Seriously dude, you need to do your homework. HE WAS AN UNRESTRICTED FREE AGENT!!! He was free to sign wherever he wanted to.

Here are some Wiki definitions to help you understand:

Unrestricted Free Agents
Unrestricted Free Agents (UFA) are players who have completed four or more accrued seasons of service and whose contracts have expired. They are free to sign with any club.


Restricted Free Agents
Restricted Free Agents (RFA) are players who have completed three accrued seasons of service and whose contracts have expired. They have received qualifying offers from their old clubs and are free to negotiate with any club until April 21, at which time their rights revert to their original club. If a player accepts an offer from a new club, the old club will have the right to match the offer and retain the player. If the old club elects not to match the offer, it may receive draft-choice compensation depending on the level of the qualifying offer made to the player.

The Bears tried to negotiate a contract with Berrian, he simply did not want to play for the Bears.

He CHOSE the Vikings. The Bears DID NOT LET HIM GO.

I don't think that you have to belittle anyone by questioning their knowledge of something simple like the UFA/RFA process. Of course the Bears tried to negotiate with Berrian, but do you really think that a team in the financial position of the Bears would not sign an "upper echelon" WR in Berrian? You can say that he wanted to play for the Vikings, and that may be true, but please tell me you wouldn't if you were in BB position and they offered you the money they did. I know when they signed Berrian I laughed a little bit because they dumped a ridiculous amount of money into a WR that scored 5 touchdowns last season. (I know, I know, Grossman sucks and so does their O-Line). But the fact of the matter is the acquisitions of Allen and Berrian will not get you a super bowl win. But wait, I forgot about Williams, oh god add a sub-par safety into the mix and that will definitely put a big shiny ring around your finger.

[Packnut]

Re: Offense

Ok, let me re-phrase my comment. The fact that you rate the o's even is MIND-BOGGLING.

Like me, you live here in Bears territory and you've seen Berrian just likeI have. He's nothing special. He disappears in games. Does'nt go over the middle. Runs the go pattern and that's about it.

The Packer WR's are a proven group. Add Nelson to the mix and NO ONE has as good a 4 wide set as GB does. The Packer WR's are so much better than the Vike's that it's laughable. HUGE plus to GB.

I'll give you AP over Grant, but not by a whole lot. Just close your eyes and remember Grant's 20+ yd td run in GB.

Packers have a HUGE edge in pass blocking.

Vikes have the edge on the D line but GB has a much better LB's and a much better secondary.

Man, I cannot wait for that Monday night game to get here................

You don't think your statements through very well for a "cerebral" rat.


Like me, you live here in Bears territory and you've seen Berrian just likeI have. He's nothing special. He disappears in games. Does'nt go over the middle. Runs the go pattern and that's about it.

-I've also lived in bears territory and can tell you the bears problems on O start with the line, continue to the QB, and end with the line. Berrian was the best player on that O, and went through something like 5 or 6 QB's. He runs good routes, it's not as simple as you make it sound.



I'll give you AP over Grant, but not by a whole lot. Just close your eyes and remember Grant's 20+ yd td run in GB.

-296!!! Keep your eyes open, AD is WAY better than Grant.


Packers have a HUGE edge in pass blocking.

-If the pass rush does not come up the middle.


Vikes have the edge on the D line but GB has a much better LB's and a much better secondary.

-HUGE edge to the Vikings on D line. The Vikings LB' finished first in stopping the run, how can the packers LB's be so much better. Secondary? Still up for grabs. With the Vikings stellar run D last year the secondary numbers are misleading. When you can't run you pass.

First-good players stand out no matter what. You can make all the excuses you want about Berrian and the reasons he was in-effective. Facts are facts and even a mis-guided Viking fan should be able to grasp them. You are going to find out the hard way just how stupid giving all that money to an average WR was. The Bears are hurting big-time on offense so do you really think they would have given up on BB if he was any good??????

Second-Saying AP is way better than Grant is also not factual. He is better yes, but not by a large margin. Let's also not forget the injury factor. AP has an injury history and that is also a FACT you cannot dis-miss.

Third- wrong again (what new). Favre was able to step up in the pocket numerous times last season. There was never a constant push from any opponent up the middle.

Fourth- Ok, let's call the LB's a draw since there is no clear cut edge. However, implying that your secondary was weak against the pass only because of the amount of attempts due to teams not running well against Minny is just plain DUMB! Teams passed alot against the Vikes cause your pass defense

SUCKED

First off Berrian was an UFA. The Bears did not give up on him....He left.

Second, if you watch that half sack by Allen you speak of so often, it came on a stunt right up the middle.

Third, I'm glad you used the past tense of the word suck to describe the Vikings pass D because the addition of Allen and M. Williams will shore it up. Nothing helps the secondary like a pass rush and Williams is a huge upgrade over D. Smith at FS. Better coverage ability and range, he should allow Sharper to focus on the SS position better than last year.

The Bears are millions and millions under the cap. They have no other WR's of impact. They could have easily signed him. They did'nt. Even a Viking's fan should be able to add 2+2..............

Seriously dude, you need to do your homework. HE WAS AN UNRESTRICTED FREE AGENT!!! He was free to sign wherever he wanted to.

Here are some Wiki definitions to help you understand:

Unrestricted Free Agents
Unrestricted Free Agents (UFA) are players who have completed four or more accrued seasons of service and whose contracts have expired. They are free to sign with any club.


Restricted Free Agents
Restricted Free Agents (RFA) are players who have completed three accrued seasons of service and whose contracts have expired. They have received qualifying offers from their old clubs and are free to negotiate with any club until April 21, at which time their rights revert to their original club. If a player accepts an offer from a new club, the old club will have the right to match the offer and retain the player. If the old club elects not to match the offer, it may receive draft-choice compensation depending on the level of the qualifying offer made to the player.

The Bears tried to negotiate a contract with Berrian, he simply did not want to play for the Bears.

He CHOSE the Vikings. The Bears DID NOT LET HIM GO.

Ok, let me make this real simple for you. The Bears could have gave him an extension during last season. The Bears were way under the cap at the time. Then, there was a story later in the Sun Times that Berrian gave the Bears a chance to match Minny's offer. They chose not to. Now when a team who is desperate for a WR chooses to let him walk away, may-be their is a reason.

Obviously, Chicago did'nt believe Berrian was worth what the Vikes paid. I agree with them and you seem to think he's gonna make a difference. Just stick around here and you just might learn something. Berrian is nothing more than a 40 catch 700 yd WR who might score 4 or 5 td's.

[SMACKTALKIE]

Re: Offense

Ok, let me re-phrase my comment. The fact that you rate the o's even is MIND-BOGGLING.

Like me, you live here in Bears territory and you've seen Berrian just likeI have. He's nothing special. He disappears in games. Does'nt go over the middle. Runs the go pattern and that's about it.

The Packer WR's are a proven group. Add Nelson to the mix and NO ONE has as good a 4 wide set as GB does. The Packer WR's are so much better than the Vike's that it's laughable. HUGE plus to GB.

I'll give you AP over Grant, but not by a whole lot. Just close your eyes and remember Grant's 20+ yd td run in GB.

Packers have a HUGE edge in pass blocking.

Vikes have the edge on the D line but GB has a much better LB's and a much better secondary.

Man, I cannot wait for that Monday night game to get here................

You don't think your statements through very well for a "cerebral" rat.


Like me, you live here in Bears territory and you've seen Berrian just likeI have. He's nothing special. He disappears in games. Does'nt go over the middle. Runs the go pattern and that's about it.

-I've also lived in bears territory and can tell you the bears problems on O start with the line, continue to the QB, and end with the line. Berrian was the best player on that O, and went through something like 5 or 6 QB's. He runs good routes, it's not as simple as you make it sound.



I'll give you AP over Grant, but not by a whole lot. Just close your eyes and remember Grant's 20+ yd td run in GB.

-296!!! Keep your eyes open, AD is WAY better than Grant.


Packers have a HUGE edge in pass blocking.

-If the pass rush does not come up the middle.


Vikes have the edge on the D line but GB has a much better LB's and a much better secondary.

-HUGE edge to the Vikings on D line. The Vikings LB' finished first in stopping the run, how can the packers LB's be so much better. Secondary? Still up for grabs. With the Vikings stellar run D last year the secondary numbers are misleading. When you can't run you pass.

First-good players stand out no matter what. You can make all the excuses you want about Berrian and the reasons he was in-effective. Facts are facts and even a mis-guided Viking fan should be able to grasp them. You are going to find out the hard way just how stupid giving all that money to an average WR was. The Bears are hurting big-time on offense so do you really think they would have given up on BB if he was any good??????

Second-Saying AP is way better than Grant is also not factual. He is better yes, but not by a large margin. Let's also not forget the injury factor. AP has an injury history and that is also a FACT you cannot dis-miss.

Third- wrong again (what new). Favre was able to step up in the pocket numerous times last season. There was never a constant push from any opponent up the middle.

Fourth- Ok, let's call the LB's a draw since there is no clear cut edge. However, implying that your secondary was weak against the pass only because of the amount of attempts due to teams not running well against Minny is just plain DUMB! Teams passed alot against the Vikes cause your pass defense

SUCKED

First off Berrian was an UFA. The Bears did not give up on him....He left.

Second, if you watch that half sack by Allen you speak of so often, it came on a stunt right up the middle.

Third, I'm glad you used the past tense of the word suck to describe the Vikings pass D because the addition of Allen and M. Williams will shore it up. Nothing helps the secondary like a pass rush and Williams is a huge upgrade over D. Smith at FS. Better coverage ability and range, he should allow Sharper to focus on the SS position better than last year.

The Bears are millions and millions under the cap. They have no other WR's of impact. They could have easily signed him. They did'nt. Even a Viking's fan should be able to add 2+2..............

Seriously dude, you need to do your homework. HE WAS AN UNRESTRICTED FREE AGENT!!! He was free to sign wherever he wanted to.

Here are some Wiki definitions to help you understand:

Unrestricted Free Agents
Unrestricted Free Agents (UFA) are players who have completed four or more accrued seasons of service and whose contracts have expired. They are free to sign with any club.


Restricted Free Agents
Restricted Free Agents (RFA) are players who have completed three accrued seasons of service and whose contracts have expired. They have received qualifying offers from their old clubs and are free to negotiate with any club until April 21, at which time their rights revert to their original club. If a player accepts an offer from a new club, the old club will have the right to match the offer and retain the player. If the old club elects not to match the offer, it may receive draft-choice compensation depending on the level of the qualifying offer made to the player.

The Bears tried to negotiate a contract with Berrian, he simply did not want to play for the Bears.

He CHOSE the Vikings. The Bears DID NOT LET HIM GO.

Ok, let me make this real simple for you. The Bears could have gave him an extension during last season. The Bears were way under the cap at the time. Then, there was a story later in the Sun Times that Berrian gave the Bears a chance to match Minny's offer. They chose not to. Now when a team who is desperate for a WR chooses to let him walk away, may-be their is a reason.

Obviously, Chicago did'nt believe Berrian was worth what the Vikes paid. I agree with them and you seem to think he's gonna make a difference. Just stick around here and you just might learn something. Berrian is nothing more than a 40 catch 700 yd WR who might score 4 or 5 td's.

Again, you are just making stuff up. The Bears desperately wanted Berrian back but did not want to get into a bidding war for him. That is the sort of leverage you have as an UFA. By living in Chitcago you should know that Jerry Angelo is cheap. The Bears are poorly run and Angelo is to blame, but again, they did not want to let Berrian go.

I also did not say he was going to make a difference, I just wanted to correct the misleading statements you made in regard to his departure from the Bears.

[Bretsky]

Regardless of how it went down the Bears were idiots for letting him go; he's better than any WR in Chicago or in MN last year.