Arod will pick up where Favre left off

[RashanGary]

hang nail Rodgers

It's good to see that gives you some satisfaction, we all need some of it in our lives. It will be interesting to see who gets the last laugh.

[TheCheese]

It's ok, I'll make it up reuniting guys with their exes. You never saw him come out of the tunnel flat and knew??? Never got that sick feeling in the pit of your stomach before a game and prayed it was wrong? Come on!!

I know exactly what you are talking about. Favre, for the past 5 years has had that happen to him on numerous occasions. Before a game hes got that glaze over his eyes like he doesn't want to be there. And each of those games hes had that, we have lost the game. I love Favre just as much as anyone here, but I saw that look on the Dallas game and I saw it vs the Giants.

[TheCheese]

It's ok, I'll make it up reuniting guys with their exes. You never saw him come out of the tunnel flat and knew??? Never got that sick feeling in the pit of your stomach before a game and prayed it was wrong? Come on!!

I know exactly what you are talking about. Favre, for the past 5 years has had that happen to him on numerous occasions. Before a game hes got that glaze over his eyes like he doesn't want to be there. And each of those games hes had that, we have lost the game. I love Favre just as much as anyone here, but I saw that look on the Dallas game and I saw it vs the Giants.

[GrnBay007]

hang nail Rodgers

It's good to see that gives you some satisfaction, we all need some of it in our lives. It will be interesting to see who gets the last laugh.

Don't get so defensive JH. It was funny....has nothing to do with satisfaction.

[Packnut]

Favre

Are you saying Favre didn't suck in the title game, Buck?

Are you saying he did suck ?

IMO over the course of the game Favre did not suck

You want to look at players who might have sucked in that game. Start with our interior OL, then go to Al Harris......

Then if you want to look at players who made one fatal play you can look at the last throw by Favre, Brandon Jackson on the screen, and Ruvell Martin on the critical drop.

When Favre came out of the tunnel, I said to myself "oh shit we're going to lose." You could always tell when it was a done deal ahead of time. Did he suck? Yes. Did the o-line suck? yes. Did my honey Al suck? yes. But the fact is other people can suck and it's not such a huge deal. When Favre sucks, everything tends to fall apart.

The problem is your trying to talk sense to a few who just don't have a clue and quite frankly never will. They have a very limited concept of football. They believe the almighty QB is responsible for everything that happens on the field.

I've often wondered how their thought process could be so wrong. I think that due to the fact of just how complicated the game really has become, that it's just easier to blame the QB. It takes little thought and it simplifies the game for them.

I remember reading an article last year about how many things have to go right for a QB to complete a pass and just how little time he has in making the decision. It really opens your eyes up to just how tough being a QB is.

[bobblehead]

Its insanely difficult, but you can't discount the effect a player who handles the ball on every offensive play has on a game. It is the single most important position on sports.

[Bretsky]

It's ok, I'll make it up reuniting guys with their exes. You never saw him come out of the tunnel flat and knew??? Never got that sick feeling in the pit of your stomach before a game and prayed it was wrong? Come on!!

I was at the game; never got that feelin

[MJZiggy]

It's ok, I'll make it up reuniting guys with their exes. You never saw him come out of the tunnel flat and knew??? Never got that sick feeling in the pit of your stomach before a game and prayed it was wrong? Come on!!

I was at the game; never got that feelin

And you still fathered a child after freezing your **** off...Kudos!

[Spaulding]

I don't post much but figure to weigh in here for whatever it's worth. In my opinion it's not that Favre sucked (the team as a whole dropped the ball) but it's that he looked old and cold in that game compared to Eli. We had multiple series of three and out where it looked like Favre was completely bothered by the cold and at times I wondered if he really cared if he was on the field or not.

Maybe this goes into his passion to retire in that although he loves the game, it's just that he doesn't love it was much as he used to and realizes that without the passion it's next to impossible to maintain his expected level of play at his age.

The offensive failures early on (I blame Favre to the most extent as he is the leader and cog for the team) resulted in the abandoning of the running game. Kind of skewed logic to blame a QB for the running game but my evidence for that would be if Favre could have pieced together a few more plays early on and allowed the drives to continue we may have worked out the kinks to the running game and kept the Giants offense off the field.

The comfort and respect factor tells me that with Favre we always have a chance to win, but the optimistic side of me thinks that Rodgers brand of play may be a better fit for McCarthy's offense and led to fewer turnovers and more consistent (if somewhat boring dink and dunk) drives.

Deep down I wish Favre would have said he would play one more year and receive a well earned send off and even possibly go out with another chance at a Superbowl but on the other hand Rodgers may lead us quite well and also give us that chance.

The net of this rambling post is that I have high hopes for Rodgers and expect another excellent season (11-5).

[Merlin]

People really are nuts if they think the Pack will be as good with Rodgers as Favre. Heres a question for you all. If Brett announced tommorow that he was coming back,who would you want more fore the starter. Just answer what comes to your mind,don't analyze and pick apart the question.

I think Favre could play until Rodgers retired and still be as effective as Rodgers will be this season for us. We all have high hopes for Rodgers but lets be reasonable about it. How long do we give Rodgers before we go to Brohm or someone else? I am willing to bet as long as Rodgers is healthy, as long as Favre stays retired, Rodgers is the starter until he departs Green Bay, no matter how well or how poorly he plays for us. The basic building block for an offense is the line and we have huge holes in ours. It won't be pretty in 2008 for Rodgers as it will take him some time to have the 6th sense to step out of the way instead of counting until 5 and taking off with the ball.

[MJZiggy]

Nicely put.

[RashanGary]

Re: Favre

The problem is your trying to talk sense to a few who just don't have a clue and quite frankly never will. They have a very limited concept of football. They believe the almighty QB is responsible for everything that happens on the field.

I've often wondered how their thought process could be so wrong. I think that due to the fact of just how complicated the game really has become, that it's just easier to blame the QB. It takes little thought and it simplifies the game for them.

I remember reading an article last year about how many things have to go right for a QB to complete a pass and just how little time he has in making the decision. It really opens your eyes up to just how tough being a QB is.

I agree with you for the most part. The QB is a very important piece. More important than the other pieces alone but there are so many other pieces that add up to be so much more than the QB. The LT and RT combined might be as important as the QB. The RB and #1 WR are probably as important as the QB. The #2 WR, FB and TE combined are probably close. The interior line is probably close. All together, the pieces surroudning the QB are much more important in whole than the single position of QB and that's before you take into account defense, ST's and depth.

Rodgers has a very good surrounding cast. He can be average and still have a good year with this bunch. And I don't think Nelson being added helps Rodgers all that much in this first year. I think he's going to bail out Rodgers many, many times if Rodgers can play for a couple years, but I don't think he's going to light the league on fire as a rookie. That almost never happens with rookie recievers and the Packers already have three good ones in front of him so he will not be pressed into action early.

In summary, Favre gone does very little to the defense. Him being gone does very little to the special teams. It does very little to the depth that will play when injuries hit. It will effect the offense, but I don't think it will be to the degree that many Favre lovers think it will.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I have a bad feeling that Rodgers is destined to be injury prone. I hope I'm wrong. Not just because Favre was an iron man, and karma is a bitch. Also, because Harrell has been flapping his lips ripping Favre so much, and karma is a bitch.

[RashanGary]

Oh, and packnut, weren't you one of the guys that said the Packers were completely doomed when #4 hung it up?

[Deputy Nutz]

Re: Favre

In summary, Favre gone does very little to the defense. Him being gone does very little to the special teams. It does very little to the depth that will play when injuries hit. It will effect the offense, but I don't think it will be to the degree that many Favre lovers think it will.

You are simply wrong. Go as Nick Barnett if he would rather take the defense out on the field on the opponents own 15 yard line or at the opponents 45 yard line? Ask the Packers punter if he would rather be punting out of his own end zone or at his own 35 yard line? Ask the Packers kicker if he would rather line up a chip shot 25 yard kick or a 47 yard kick? Field position is an absolute key into understanding a football game. Having a veteran QB like Favre, Montana, Elway helps in more ways than one. Sure Favre was a gunslinger, but he took his shots. Pinned down in his own ten yard line he is going to hopefully be more conservative, take what the defense gives him and look for some breathing room. Move the football in terms of field position not with the all out purpose of scoring points. A good quarterback will break the field up into chunks of yardage, instead of looking at it as one whole piece to conquer. It is sort of like Rugby, the closer you can pin your opponent down closer to his end zone the better chance you have to score points. So, you better believe it that a veteran QB like Favre was invaluable to the defense and to the special teams, he more than any other player in Green Bay had the most control in field position, and how to manage it. He could get the Packers, or cost the Packer's defense and special teams twenty yards quicker than any other player.

The Quarterback is without a doubt the most valuable position on the field because he touches the ball on every play. Think how pissed you get when an exchange between the center and QB goes wrong. Simplest things get taken for granted. Favre has never had a pro bowl tackle until Clifton went in 2007. he has had only two pro bowl running backs in Grenn and Levens, and he has had two pro bowl tight ends in Franks and Jackson. Sharpe, Freeman, Driver, and Walker have been his only pro bowl receivers. The QB is the uncondition leader of the offense and in most cases the whole team, good or bad he is the one that faces the media after every game. If the QB walks into the huddle and the other ten players have no confidence in him, I will show you a losing football team. Nobody huddles around the left tackle and looks to him every play for leadership and his playmaking ability. There is nothing magical about a left tackle, there is even less magic being a left guard, trust me I know. Even at the simplest level I can tell you first hand the amount of time during and after practice for a quarterback compared to a left tackle is at least triple. I might be one of the only poor bastards that played both offensive line and QB in high school. Even if you added up the time that the whole offensive line spent outside of practice reviewing and breaking down game plans, I still believe the QB puts in more time.

Break down the Baltimore Ravens Super Bowl run a few years back. Trent Dilfer was the starting QB. He might be the worst QB ever to win a Super Bowl. How did he do it, he didn't. He managed it. He managed a great team. He had the number one defense and special teams unit in the game, he had a monster offensive line that was close to the best in football, and he had Jamal Lewis a very good rookie running back. It took all of that for a poor QB to win a Super Bowl. Very few teams have the best defense, and the best offensive line, and a highly capable running back. But that is exactly what it took to cover up the inabilities of a poor QB. It takes a whole hell of a lot more talent at other positions then it does to go out and find a capabable QB, but the truly great QBs like Favre, Manning, Elway, Montana, Young, Marino, Unitas, and Brady are like finding a needle in a haystack. There simply is no way to expect that Rodgers can come in and do the things Favre did, and put up the numbers Favre did as well, it is damn near impossible considering the precentages.