Arod will pick up where Favre left off

[woodbuck27]

It's ok, I'll make it up reuniting guys with their exes. You never saw him come out of the tunnel flat and knew??? Never got that sick feeling in the pit of your stomach before a game and prayed it was wrong? Come on!!

What part of 'the team' including Favre, were not properly prepared for that huge game by MM are you missing MJZiggy?

Our team looked frozen not just Favre. MM elected to run practises indoors?MM showed his inexperience. If Tom Coughlan had of gone Eli Manning to Plaxico Burress more. MM would have gotten entirely embarassed. Coughlan left MM off 'the hook'.

Why MM abandoned the running game is a huge question that he admitted he screwed up on.

Why MM called a sideline wide right passing pattern on Favre's pick in OT, and not a sideline run and shoot, really baffled me.That call set Favre up for too much chance of error under frigid conditions.

[woodbuck27]

Re: Favre

In summary, Favre gone does very little to the defense. Him being gone does very little to the special teams. It does very little to the depth that will play when injuries hit. It will effect the offense, but I don't think it will be to the degree that many Favre lovers think it will.

You are simply wrong. Go as Nick Barnett if he would rather take the defense out on the field on the opponents own 15 yard line or at the opponents 45 yard line? Ask the Packers punter if he would rather be punting out of his own end zone or at his own 35 yard line? Ask the Packers kicker if he would rather line up a chip shot 25 yard kick or a 47 yard kick? Field position is an absolute key into understanding a football game. Having a veteran QB like Favre, Montana, Elway helps in more ways than one. Sure Favre was a gunslinger, but he took his shots. Pinned down in his own ten yard line he is going to hopefully be more conservative, take what the defense gives him and look for some breathing room. Move the football in terms of field position not with the all out purpose of scoring points. A good quarterback will break the field up into chunks of yardage, instead of looking at it as one whole piece to conquer. It is sort of like Rugby, the closer you can pin your opponent down closer to his end zone the better chance you have to score points. So, you better believe it that a veteran QB like Favre was invaluable to the defense and to the special teams, he more than any other player in Green Bay had the most control in field position, and how to manage it. He could get the Packers, or cost the Packer's defense and special teams twenty yards quicker than any other player.

The Quarterback is without a doubt the most valuable position on the field because he touches the ball on every play. Think how pissed you get when an exchange between the center and QB goes wrong. Simplest things get taken for granted. Favre has never had a pro bowl tackle until Clifton went in 2007. he has had only two pro bowl running backs in Grenn and Levens, and he has had two pro bowl tight ends in Franks and Jackson. Sharpe, Freeman, Driver, and Walker have been his only pro bowl receivers. The QB is the uncondition leader of the offense and in most cases the whole team, good or bad he is the one that faces the media after every game. If the QB walks into the huddle and the other ten players have no confidence in him, I will show you a losing football team. Nobody huddles around the left tackle and looks to him every play for leadership and his playmaking ability. There is nothing magical about a left tackle, there is even less magic being a left guard, trust me I know. Even at the simplest level I can tell you first hand the amount of time during and after practice for a quarterback compared to a left tackle is at least triple. I might be one of the only poor bastards that played both offensive line and QB in high school. Even if you added up the time that the whole offensive line spent outside of practice reviewing and breaking down game plans, I still believe the QB puts in more time.

Break down the Baltimore Ravens Super Bowl run a few years back. Trent Dilfer was the starting QB. He might be the worst QB ever to win a Super Bowl. How did he do it, he didn't. He managed it. He managed a great team. He had the number one defense and special teams unit in the game, he had a monster offensive line that was close to the best in football, and he had Jamal Lewis a very good rookie running back. It took all of that for a poor QB to win a Super Bowl. Very few teams have the best defense, and the best offensive line, and a highly capable running back. But that is exactly what it took to cover up the inabilities of a poor QB. It takes a whole hell of a lot more talent at other positions then it does to go out and find a capabable QB, but the truly great QBs like Favre, Manning, Elway, Montana, Young, Marino, Unitas, and Brady are like finding a needle in a haystack. There simply is no way to expect that Rodgers can come in and do the things Favre did, and put up the numbers Favre did as well, it is damn near impossible considering the precentages.

Good Nutz.

Awesome post Packer fans and for all to read carefully and understand.

[Bretsky]

I have a bad feeling that Rodgers is destined to be injury prone. I hope I'm wrong. Not just because Favre was an iron man, and karma is a bitch. Also, because Harrell has been flapping his lips ripping Favre so much, and karma is a bitch.

In the past when JH flapped a lot about something things have turned out well; I hope it does this time too.

[MJZiggy]

Way to have that glass-half--wait a minute!! Who are you and what have you done with B? (and are you at least gonna share the white russians?)

[Pugger]

I saw that glazed look in that second bare game last season too. But this thread should about Rodgers taking over and not about Brett. Check this out:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=3450317

[cpk1994]

Favre was neither great nor the reason we lost that game. Although he threw the key interception, he also threw for 200+ yards and 2 TD's. That should be enough to win in below zero temperatures. If not, your real problems lie elsewhere. The real downfall on offense was the running game. Do people think we'd be better off with Brandon Jackson at RB this year because Ryan Grant didn't produce against the Giants?

Regardless of the numbers, Joe, Favre sucked. Grant was worse. No wonder the Packer brass are struggling to sign Grant. That last game was abysmal.

And yes, Favre threw for 240. He still sucked. At no time during that game did I feel he was in a position to win. He played like a loser, he lost. Go ahead and stone me. I know what I saw. i saw a loser. I love Favre. I love my son and my daughter, too. Don't meen I am blind to their faults.

What was abysmal was the play of our OG's; that had a bigger effect on Ryan Grant than anything else. We were schooled

ACtually, I think M3 deciding not to give Grant the ball AT ALL at one point had the biggest effect on Grant.

[HarveyWallbangers]

ACtually, I think M3 deciding not to give Grant the ball AT ALL at one point had the biggest effect on Grant.

I agree. About the first time I was really complaining about McCarthy's playcalling. He went several series in the 3rd and 4th quarter where he just abandoned the run. That worked earlier in the year, but in those conditions I felt he should have stuck with it.

[RashanGary]

That was an awfull lot of wind to explain that in football the three pieces (offense, defnese and ST's) feed of each other in the form of time of possession and field position and I agree. I think the defense will be equal this year with our ST's being stronger (allowing Rodgers to have to do less to get the same result). I also believe the interior line will take another step forward and the RB's are stronger and the recievers more experienced and ready to pressure defenses (also allowing Rodgers to have to do less to achieve the same result).


The offense isn't going to fall apart with Brett gone. Maybe if Rodgers is injured I could see a huge drop off with the rookie, but Rodgers has a cannon as strong as Favre's, legs that are stronger and a work ethic that is better. Maybe he doesn't have the instinct and grit so there is still a big quesiton mark about how far he can take it but I think the Packers are going to go on without skipping a beat based on how much better Rodgers played than Brett in Dallas with the same offense against the same pressure (one took sacks, the other threw picks). Brett Favre played on some very good teams with some very good offensive players. His numbers are a reflection of his durabilty not his replacability. Don't mistake life long records with one season greatness, it's every different. Warren Moon is damn near the greatest ever if you want to go that route. Dan Marino is an unstoppable champion if you want to go that route. Vinny Testeverde, etc. . . YOu get the point. The Packers will be great in 08. Favre is overrated by Green Bay jock sniffers.

[Tarlam!]

That was an awfull lot of wind to explain that in football the three pieces (offense, defnese and ST's) feed of each other in the form of time of possession and field position.

Provocative garbage. You have turned into an idiot poster that just wants to pick fights. Too bad. I onced enjoyed Nick Collins' posts. now, I just loathe it every time am forced to read your newest drivel.

[Partial]

I think A-Rod is going to certainly have some growing pains. The interior line play will be a huge factor in his success level. If they play lights out and he has plenty of time I suspect we'll be a playoff team again. If not, well, thats not good.

[The Shadow]

[quote="woodbuck27"]

It's ok, I'll make it up reuniting guys with their exes. You never saw him come out of the tunnel flat and knew??? Never got that sick feeling in the pit of your stomach before a game and prayed it was wrong? Come on!!

What part of 'the team' including Favre, were not properly prepared for that huge game by MM are you missing MJZiggy?

Our team looked frozen not just Favre. MM elected to run practises indoors?MM showed his inexperience. If Tom Coughlan had of gone Eli Manning to Plaxico Burress more. MM would have gotten entirely embarassed. Coughlan left MM off 'the hook'.

Why MM abandoned the running game is a huge question that he admitted he screwed up on.

Why MM called a sideline wide right passing pattern on Favre's pick in OT, and not a sideline run and shoot, really baffled me.That call set Favre up for too much chance of error under frigid conditions.[/quote]

I thought that this thread was about Rodgers and not yet another forum for the Favre apologists.
Look : Thompson and MM placed the team in a Cinderella position to get the Packers in a Super Bowl and send Favre off in the grand style so many have demanded.
It didn't happen for a variety of reasons, a major one was Favre's own performance.
Blaming an interception on the call is really lame.
Let's move on. We have an ascending team and a bright young qb with a lot of upside.
Go Pack.

[sharpe1027]

It's ok, I'll make it up reuniting guys with their exes. You never saw him come out of the tunnel flat and knew??? Never got that sick feeling in the pit of your stomach before a game and prayed it was wrong? Come on!!

I know exactly what you are talking about. Favre, for the past 5 years has had that happen to him on numerous occasions. Before a game hes got that glaze over his eyes like he doesn't want to be there. And each of those games hes had that, we have lost the game. I love Favre just as much as anyone here, but I saw that look on the Dallas game and I saw it vs the Giants.

In my experience, these type of statements are 90% based on the result of the game and not actual foresight. We all like to believe that we are able to predict things. Subconciously or otherwise, however, we tend to remember the instances that support this and forget the others. If we are forced to truly offer up a prediction BEFORE the outcome of the game is known, we find the truth.

Put it this way, if we were all able to predict the outcome that easily, we'd all be rolling in money from last minute bets.

[MadtownPacker]

I thought that this thread was about Rodgers and not yet another forum for the Favre apologists.
Look : Thompson and MM placed the team in a Cinderella position to get the Packers in a Super Bowl and send Favre off in the grand style so many have demanded.
It didn't happen for a variety of reasons, a major one was Favre's own performance.
Blaming an interception on the call is really lame.
Let's move on. We have an ascending team and a bright young qb with a lot of upside.
Go Pack.

Oh ancient one, long time no see. Thought you had left us and went on to the big forum in the sky.

Since you are still clinging on I would like to point out that the Cinderella run would have never happened without the Favre performance you mentioned.

Packer fans agree with you Favre-haters that he fucked up at the end. Just dont go acting like he was dropped into the NFC Championship for free. #4 got his team there. 14 others NFC QBs couldn't.

[Bretsky]

Way to have that glass-half--wait a minute!! Who are you and what have you done with B? (and are you at least gonna share the white russians?)

It's a new me Zig; too may things going on to get bent out of shape about this stuff. Got friends flooded out of their homes...people losing their homes..and plenty of other challenges in life. That, plus, my expectations have been lowered for this season so I can't get upset at much and will be happy to be pleasantly surprised.

[The Shadow]

I thought that this thread was about Rodgers and not yet another forum for the Favre apologists.
Look : Thompson and MM placed the team in a Cinderella position to get the Packers in a Super Bowl and send Favre off in the grand style so many have demanded.
It didn't happen for a variety of reasons, a major one was Favre's own performance.
Blaming an interception on the call is really lame.
Let's move on. We have an ascending team and a bright young qb with a lot of upside.
Go Pack.

Oh ancient one, long time no see. Thought you had left us and went on to the big forum in the sky.
Since you are still clinging on I would like to point out that the Cinderella run would have never happened without the Favre performance you mentioned.

Packer fans agree with you Favre-haters that he fucked up at the end. Just dont go acting like he was dropped into the NFC Championship for free. #4 got his team there. 14 others NFC QBs couldn't.

SOMEBODY has got to watch over you, maddie.
I'm here for ya.