Harry Sydney : enough of Favre's mind games with Packers

[Patler]

Maybe we didn't have to see him play, but there was enough gnashing of teeth and rendering of garments nonetheless

.."rendering of garments"??? That's one I don't completely understand!??

[MJZiggy]

'scuse me, typo. I meant rending as in tearing, not drawing...

[TravisWilliams23]

I remember Herb Adderly playing for Dallas and getting a royal screwing from Tom Landry. Landry's defense philosophy of playing your assigned area ONLY even if it meant the other team was successful on a play was a total contradiction of everything Adderly had been taught by Lombardi and Bengston about playing TEAM defense. Landry just finally told Adderly he wasn't going to play him and Tom didn't care if he showed up or not. Nice, very nice.

[MJZiggy]

I just find that so odd because Lombardi and Landry ran the Giants together before they each went on to head coaching jobs.

[TravisWilliams23]

MJ, there are some very good books about Lombardi and Landry on this subject. Vince ran the offense for the Giants and Landry ran the defense. During the 1950's Head coach Jim Lee Howell acted as a diplomat between the feuding Lombardi and Landry. Both men were HOF head coaches and deservedly so. Whenever the Packers and Cowboys met, it was always a prize for the winning coach. During those 1966 & 1967 championship games, there were 2 very crucial plays that went Green Bay's way. The players to a man say it was the way Lombardi prepared them for such occasions that enabled the Packers to prevail. Good Lord I'm getting old because I remember watching those games as a kid!

[Patler]

MJ, there are some very good books about Lombardi and Landry on this subject. Vince ran the offense for the Giants and Landry ran the defense. During the 1950's Head coach Jim Lee Howell acted as a diplomat between the feuding Lombardi and Landry. Both men were HOF head coaches and deservedly so. Whenever the Packers and Cowboys met, it was always a prize for the winning coach. During those 1966 & 1967 championship games, there were 2 very crucial plays that went Green Bay's way. The players to a man say it was the way Lombardi prepared them for such occasions that enabled the Packers to prevail. Good Lord I'm getting old because I remember watching those games as a kid!

Some of us remember, and weren't kids at the time, if that makes you feel any better!

[MJZiggy]

I actually only remember these details at the moment because I just finished Lombardi and Me. Very good read by the way. At the end, Hornung put in the text of some of Lombardi's more famous speeches and you may see bits of those coming to a sig near you...

[The Leaper]

The least likely scenario is that Favre sits at home next fall. If he's been working out, he wants to play ball.

I disagree. I think that is the most likely scenario.

If Favre could name his team, then I would agree with you. However, he doesn't have that ability...nor do I see the Packers giving him that opportunity.

When Favre realizes that the only avenue he has to face regarding a return to the field is to show up at camp against the wishes of the Packer organization and force their hand at dealing with him, I hope he'll think better of it and stay home.

[Harlan Huckleby]

When Favre realizes that the only avenue he has to face regarding a return to the field is to show up at camp against the wishes of the Packer organization and force their hand at dealing with him, I hope he'll think better of it and stay home.

nonsense. you are saying that Favre is doing something wrong by wanting to play, and will see the error of his ways. BS. You are letting your own feelings about the matter decide what is right or wrong. FAvre wants to play football, nothing wrong with that. Maybe the Packers don't want him, nothing wrong with that either. He will find a team, he's a very good QB in a league short of quality QBs.

[The Leaper]

nonsense. you are saying that Favre is doing something wrong by wanting to play, and will see the error of his ways. BS. You are letting your own feelings about the matter decide what is right or wrong.

Huck...I'm on your side here. I want Favre to return...I just doubt Thompson is going to let it happen.

I'm merely saying that I think Favre would back down if he saw that Thompson simply was not going to allow him to play for Green Bay in 2008...which I think is a real possibility given Thompson's past history in being a grade A hardballer.

I'm not convinced Favre wants to play for any contending team. He wants to play for the Packers IMO...and any talk from his camp on "trades" or "releases" are designed to pressure Thompson into letting Favre return.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Huck...I'm on your side here. I want Favre to return...I just doubt Thompson is going to let it happen.

oh no. I'm the good guy, you're the bastard. Lets get that straight and keep it straight.

[Chester Marcol]

Re: Harry Sydney : enough of Favre's mind games with Packers

These are all things that I really don’t think that Ted or Mike expected to have to deal with this summer.

If this is so, then TT is an idiot. Until whatever had to happen to finally be the nail in the coffin of Favre's career then there was always going to be a chance for this.

I remember seeing that press conference and I saw a man that said he had nothing left. I remember him saying all the right things. I bought it. I saw a man that appeared to have been satisfied with life and I will admit it I was truly touched just as many of you were. Today I am sad because I’m seeing another great one not get it. Sometimes it’s hard for all of us to understand when it’s time to say enough, but when one’s actions keep over-shadowing an organization’s then it’s time.

I also heard Favre say that he still can play and all evidence of the past season showed that as well. Anyone that heard that and didn't have doubts that this retirement would stick missed a big hint there.

I'm not arguing whether he should be brought back, traded, or released but I guess my point is more this shouldn't have been a surprise and perhaps should have had a plan in place for this very moment. Who knows. Maybe the plan was just what they seem to be doing. Ignore him so he'll go away.

If TT wants Favre to go away, just win him a Super Bowl. I bet he'd retire a winner in a heart beat.

Rastak - Is there a waiting list to get Vikings season tickets? I just might have to consider that if it pans out that way.

[Scott Campbell]

Re: Harry Sydney : enough of Favre's mind games with Packers

Rastak - Is there a waiting list to get Vikings season tickets?

Yes - 2.5 seconds. Get em while they're hot, because they'll cost you $3/game once the season starts.

[woodbuck27]

The least likely scenario is that Favre sits at home next fall. If he's been working out, he wants to play ball.

I disagree. I think that is the most likely scenario.

If Favre could name his team, then I would agree with you. However, he doesn't have that ability...nor do I see the Packers giving him that opportunity.

When Favre realizes that the only avenue he has to face regarding a return to the field is to show up at camp against the wishes of the Packer organization and force their hand at dealing with him, I hope he'll think better of it and stay home.

The Packers won't trade Favre.

The Packers will wait and Favre has to merely show up and play. He'll have to compete with Aaron Rodgers for the strarting role. Here is where the TT factor comes in.

TT is a man that looks very carefully at the Cap money. If he see's that Aaron Rodgers will not cause us any liability a week or so into TC then he'll push for AR to be our number one and he's not going to payout $12.5 million dollars for Favre the back-up.

So Favre gets released because a trade is out of the question.

Favre then may sign with 'the vikings' or retire.

[Gunakor]

The least likely scenario is that Favre sits at home next fall. If he's been working out, he wants to play ball.

I disagree. I think that is the most likely scenario.

If Favre could name his team, then I would agree with you. However, he doesn't have that ability...nor do I see the Packers giving him that opportunity.

When Favre realizes that the only avenue he has to face regarding a return to the field is to show up at camp against the wishes of the Packer organization and force their hand at dealing with him, I hope he'll think better of it and stay home.

The Packers won't trade Favre.

The Packers will wait and Favre has to merely show up and play. He'll have to compete with Aaron Rodgers for the strarting role. Here is where the TT factor comes in.

TT is a man that looks very carefully at the Cap money. If he see's that Aaron Rodgers will not cause us any liability a week or so into TC then he'll push for AR to be our number one and he's not going to payout $12.5 million dollars for Favre the back-up.

So Favre gets released because a trade is out of the question.

Favre then may sign with 'the vikings' or retire.

TT would trade him for a bag of peanuts to a team that won't hurt the Packers chances of reaching a SB before he releases him outright and allows Favre to sign with a divison rival. There is no way Favre is a Viking next year.