Favre: Comitted Enough for 2008?

[Scott Campbell]

I live in my world Man. That world is lonely and also beautiful.

Pluto?

[mission]

didnt favre already say he didnt have what it takes to complete a full season and he would cheat his team mates?

helllo?







retirement press conference... im only going to battle with someone willing to put on the line what im willing to put on the line. not shrivel up if it gets cold outside.

[Bretsky]

Past results never guarantee future returns. Its a guess what Favre will do this year compared to last.

HARD TO DEBATE FACTS

I WONDER WHERE 85% COMES FROM ? BF HAS MISSED LIMITED TIME AND IMO IT'S REASONABLE TO THINK HE'LL GIVE MM 100%

PUT EMOTIONS ASIDE AND LOOK AT EVIDENCE

THIS IS EASY

There are no guarantees with Favre or AROD; there is evidence. I can see people not wanting Favre due to perceived chemistry or his waffling. Or because they just detest him right now........which to me is the emotion driving any debate we are having.

But I can't see being able to ignore past results and more importantly ignore the results of last year with improving receivers and a young OL...all of which returns this year.

To me you seem to be trying to talk yourself into believing that on the field alone, Green Bay will have a better chance for success with AROD than Favre. I just can't consider supporting that point.

It will be interesting going forward. Nothing will surprise me and to be honest nothing can really be judged for a while.

[Bretsky]

didnt favre already say he didnt have what it takes to complete a full season and he would cheat his team mates?

helllo?







retirement press conference... im only going to battle with someone willing to put on the line what im willing to put on the line. not shrivel up if it gets cold outside.

Yes, and people never change their mind and come back being more than successful despite temporarily losing the buring desire to succeed.

Ask Michael Jordan

[pbmax]

You know me too well. After reading that Favre had a 70 something QB rating in the second half of last year, I went to post in here, but while I was looking for the data I found a game by game breakdown of his rating. he had the disaster at Dallas, a mediocre rating vs the Rams and the Bears fiasco and the other games were all over 100.

If you include the playoffs he was lights out with good assistance from Grant vs Seattle (137) and less than stellar vs the Giants (70).

That isn't a quarterback stat that screams immediate decline. But it does remind me of every other game where he has struggled this decade. Forced to rely on himself late in the season you get catastrophe.

Is Rodgers high end going to be the same? Probably not, certainly not early. But I think those games indicate that Favre is on a decline. And his lack of participation (natural for an older player not want to do the repetitive stuff) to me, means that the decline is not going to slow down.

And his retirement announcement seemed to indicate exactly that, that his will to do all the extraneous stuff that prepares you for Sunday was not the same. And he is old enough now where it affects him.

To me you seem to be trying to talk yourself into believing that on the field alone, Green Bay will have a better chance for success with AROD than Favre.

[RashanGary]

This is something interesting from Thompson




"I wish it wasn't that way, and something this sensitive and this passionate, I can understand it," Thompson said. "I think if everybody knew what I knew and everybody knew what Brett knew, there'd probably be less people mad at either one of us.

"He's had some change of heart in terms of being 100 percent committed to playing. That's his prerogative to change his mind. With me, we're just dealing with what we're faced with, and it's an iconic player that's probably unmatched in sports today."

[pbmax]

Jordan was 30, turning 31 during the season when he came back and was successful in winning 3 more championships. His also had completely retooled his game. During his down time he played ball with other pros and the best college players.

He also took up another professional sport.

Favre has been playing catch with high schoolers.

Yes, and people never change their mind and come back being more than successful despite temporarily losing the buring desire to succeed.

Ask Michael Jordan

[RashanGary]

WTF, Ted. What do you know and what does he know that is going to clear this whole thing up?


Seriously, they need to just air it out. Favre is a legend in Green Bay and I'd hate to see it get to a point where he doesn't want to come back. Just air everything out so us fans can just forgive and move forward with everyone feeling comfortable with the whole thing.

[mission]

didnt favre already say he didnt have what it takes to complete a full season and he would cheat his team mates?

helllo?







retirement press conference... im only going to battle with someone willing to put on the line what im willing to put on the line. not shrivel up if it gets cold outside.

Yes, and people never change their mind and come back being more than successful despite temporarily losing the buring desire to succeed.

Ask Michael Jordan

honestly, i cant recall quotes in mj's first retirement speech but having a DESIRE to play and changing your mind about something is a lot different than previously admitting that he actually DOESNT have it in him to give 100% the whole season. this isn't the NBA where five guys kinda jog up the court and take a jump shot or call for isolation... this is the NFL.

it's obvious that's true. football is a 100% game. now if you're a punter or a long snapper or something, not so much... but leading a group of young men with practicing habits that a HOFer of favre's age most definitely has, is probably not best for the team.

i dont know about you, but talent and what you did for me in the past don't equate to me winning a super bowl. it equates to working when THAT works. which, with favre, is usually often.

just not as often as i'd prefer.

[Partial]

How is basketball any different of a 100% game then football? gab.

[Scott Campbell]

The second time Mike came out of retirement, it just wasn't happening for him. Is this the first or second time for Brett? Are we counting March?

[mission]

How is basketball any different of a 100% game then football? gab.

[texaspackerbacker]

You must believe that Rodgers will beat these stats from 2007
4155 yards
28 TD's
15 INT's
QB rating 95.7
13-3 record


I don't think Rodgers can beat those stats and I think Brett could do it again. Therefore I think Brett should come back in 2 weeks to beat Rodgers for the starting spot. I like Rodgers, but unless he can beat Favre in a camp battle, he should keep waiting

I wouldn't be at all surprised if he does, but realistically, no, that's not the standard. Rodgers only has to better than the '06 Favre stats. Given the 85% preparation level (I thought it was actually 80%), it is highly unlikely Favre will play like he did last year whether it is for Green Bay or anybody else--likely worse if it is some team that doesn't surround him with talent like the Packers had last year--and still have.