The official Brett Favre for QB in 2008 thread

[GBRulz]

We will forever be debating faults of the Giants game. I have a question / comment though. IF Tynes had made the FG in regulation and we don't even go to OT, obviously Favre doesn't throw the INT.

With that being said, do you think more people would be wanting Favre to come back this year? It just seems to me that so many people are throwing away his awesome season based on that bad pass.

With everything that has happened, I almost wish Tynes have would made the first FG to begin with.

[australianpackerbacker]

Personally, i'm of the opinion that thompson and mccarthy are smart enough to know what they have in aaron rodgers

Rodgers has never started an actual game and has made 59 pass attempts in his career.

No one is smart enough to "know what they have" in that kind of situation. You might have a "good feeling" or "educated guess", but to claim that it is some kind of full knowledge is outright stupidity.

On the other hand, I DO KNOW what I have in Favre. He just got finished with an MVP caliber season.

Can you please show me where in my post i "claimed full knowledge"?

Also how can you be so sure what you have in a 38 turning 39 y.o QB? While i do think he still has it, by your reasoning you cant be so sure as to what you think have in favre as what mccarthy and thompson think/know they have in rodgers. Your opinion is about as speculative as mine.

[australianpackerbacker]

We will forever be debating faults of the Giants game. I have a question / comment though. IF Tynes had made the FG in regulation and we don't even go to OT, obviously Favre doesn't throw the INT.

With that being said, do you think more people would be wanting Favre to come back this year? It just seems to me that so many people are throwing away his awesome season based on that bad pass.

With everything that has happened, I almost wish Tynes have would made the first FG to begin with.

I think people get too caught up in the events of one play, rather than analysing the entire game. This is a team game, one play didnt take us out of the superbowl. There were probably a handful of plays that couldve shifted momentum for either team, giants capitalized on more of them and the better team on the day won, in my opinion. No use blaming favre for one bad play when he was a big factor as to why we were there in the first place.

[The Leaper]

Is it a bluff or just common sense?

Well, both at this point. Favre hasn't asked for activation from the commissioner, so the Packers should go forward at this point as if Rodgers is the QB.

However, I certainly think the Packers are taking the stance they are hoping that Favre will recognize this process might just not be worth putting himself through and stay retired. In that sense, the Packers are bluffing...because they are secretly hoping that Favre doesn't come back, even if they aren't publically stating it.

[Bossman641]

Yep. Although, it looks more and more likely that Favre has been looking for an excuse out of Green Bay, but would rather pin it on someone else so he can look good.

I think Favre wants to go somewhere that he doesn't have to look over his shoulder and is constantly pressed to make a decision on his future the minute a season ends.

Ultimately, he will never find what he is looking for...all NFL teams have to look toward the future to some extent, although I suppose all NFL teams won't have a ready-to-go reserve right on his ass.

Pressed to return? Are you joking?

The Packers have given Favre more than enough time, every offseason that he has been pulling this crap. Of course they have to give him some deadline, but even in those cases they have pushed it back and told him to think it over even further before making a decision.

What are they supposed to do? Give him all offseason and tell him they'll have a locker ready for him if he decides to show up at TC?

[The Leaper]

Can you please show me where in my post i "claimed full knowledge"?

You said thompson and mccarthy know what they have in Rodgers...thus, that they have full knowledge. They "know".

I pointed out that they don't know...they have an educated guess based on very limited playing time and practice, but whether or not Rodgers will pan out to be a very good QB...they do not know with certainty.

[GoPackGo]

If I'm Ted Thompson and Coach, I'm working to welcome Brett back into the fold ASAP. Even though this whole thing is Brett's Fault, TT needs to manage the situation aggressively. If one of us was the GM of an NFL team and one of the top 5 QB's in the world want to QB your team you have to take him. Its not like he's a top 5 QB who committed a crime. He's a top 5 QB who had a chang of heart. You can't hedge all of your bets on a QB that hasn't proven to be a Top 5 QB.
Getting 100% behind Rodgers was the right thing to do at the time, but the playing field has changed. As if the pressure of replacing Brett Favre wasn't enough, the pressure on Arod to perform at a high level is higher than ever. What type of reaction will Arod, Coach, and TT get if the Packers go 6-10 this year?

[The Leaper]

Pressed to return? Are you joking?

My post was from FAVRE'S PERSPECTIVE.

I agree that the Packers have seemingly handled this fine on their end. I'm just saying that it seems Favre wants to go somewhere where he feels less pressure to commit right away. That is why I also said he wouldn't be likely to find it.

[sharpe1027]

However, I certainly think the Packers are taking the stance they are hoping that Favre will recognize this process might just not be worth putting himself through and stay retired. In that sense, the Packers are bluffing...because they are secretly hoping that Favre doesn't come back, even if they aren't publically stating it.

I think the only reason they would feel that way is if Favre doesn't want to be there. Otherwise, I get the feeling that they would be fine to have Favre as an option even if it was as a 12 million dollar backup. Now, if Favre won't comit enough time or doesn't want to be there, that's a different story.

Favre forced their hand by requesting to be released. I don't think they are "bluffing," I think that if he wants to play for the Packers he can. I don't blame the for not being sure they can rely on his word at this point.

[australianpackerbacker]

Can you please show me where in my post i "claimed full knowledge"?

You said thompson and mccarthy know what they have in Rodgers...thus, that they have full knowledge. They "know".

I pointed out that they don't know...they have an educated guess based on very limited playing time and practice, but whether or not Rodgers will pan out to be a very good QB...they do not know with certainty.

Knowing doesnt necessarily mean "full knowledge", thats just your interpretation of my post.

So your trying to tell me that after 3 years a coach and a gm of the year have no idea what they have in rodgers? Why would they be keeping him around then? Might as well bring back Ingle Martin and give him some playing time in the regular season, to see if he has the talent to make it before cutting him, because "they dont know" what they have in him.

I dont know about you, but id be a little uncomforatable with a gm and coach who make "educated guesses" about the most important position on the roster. The point im trying to make is that your giving perhaps two of the most imortant members of the organization baically zero credit in talent evaluation, when time and time again, they have proven more than capable on a consistent basis.

[The Leaper]

I dont know about you, but id be a little uncomforatable with a gm and coach who make "educated guesses" about the most important position on the roster. The point im trying to make is that your giving perhaps two of the most imortant members of the organization baically zero credit in talent evaluation, when time and time again, they have proven more than capable on a consistent basis.

Sometimes, you can only make an educated guess. Often educated guesses are correct...because they are educated. Thus, your "zero credit" point ignores the essence of an educated guess entirely.

Rodgers is a first round pick. He has plenty of talent. However, the QB position is one of the most difficult positions in sports to correctly assess in terms of how a player will succeed before they are given the chance to do so.

McCarthy and Thompson probably feel that Rodgers has all the necessary tools to succeed. He does. However, tools are just one aspect of the position. How Rodgers will handle adversity and pressure is mostly unknown...because he hasn't faced either anywhere near the level he would as a starting QB in the NFL. Handling adversity and pressure is perhaps the most crucial component to being a successful QB.

We KNOW Favre can do it. We don't know whether Rodgers can...and even if he can, it could take him half a year or more to get comfortable enough to start doing it. That isn't a knock on Rodgers...it happens with just about all young QBs when they get their first chance.

With a team coming off a 13-3 season with nearly all of the roster still intact, it seems odd that the team is so quick to usher Favre out the door when a title run in 2008 is still very possible.

[The Shadow]

Yep. Although, it looks more and more likely that Favre has been looking for an excuse out of Green Bay, but would rather pin it on someone else so he can look good.

I think Favre wants to go somewhere that he doesn't have to look over his shoulder and is constantly pressed to make a decision on his future the minute a season ends.

Ultimately, he will never find what he is looking for...all NFL teams have to look toward the future to some extent, although I suppose all NFL teams won't have a ready-to-go reserve right on his ass.

I agree. And what organization out there places the needs and desires of the quarterback far above the welfare of the team? That would be our logical trading partner.

[sharpe1027]

Sometimes, you can only make an educated guess. Often educated guesses are correct...because they are educated. Thus, your "zero credit" point ignores the essence of an educated guess entirely.

Rodgers is a first round pick. He has plenty of talent. However, the QB position is one of the most difficult positions in sports to correctly assess in terms of how a player will succeed before they are given the chance to do so.

McCarthy and Thompson probably feel that Rodgers has all the necessary tools to succeed. He does. However, tools are just one aspect of the position. How Rodgers will handle adversity and pressure is mostly unknown...because he hasn't faced either anywhere near the level he would as a starting QB in the NFL. Handling adversity and pressure is perhaps the most crucial component to being a successful QB.

We KNOW Favre can do it. We don't know whether Rodgers can...and even if he can, it could take him half a year or more to get comfortable enough to start doing it. That isn't a knock on Rodgers...it happens with just about all young QBs when they get their first chance.

With a team coming off a 13-3 season with nearly all of the roster still intact, it seems odd that the team is so quick to usher Favre out the door when a title run in 2008 is still very possible.

Excellent analysis right up until the last sentence. Favre ushered himself out the door while letting his family and agent try to blame the Packers organization who is still willing to take him back after all that has happened.

[australianpackerbacker]

I dont know about you, but id be a little uncomforatable with a gm and coach who make "educated guesses" about the most important position on the roster. The point im trying to make is that your giving perhaps two of the most imortant members of the organization baically zero credit in talent evaluation, when time and time again, they have proven more than capable on a consistent basis.

Sometimes, you can only make an educated guess. Often educated guesses are correct...because they are educated. Thus, your "zero credit" point ignores the essence of an educated guess entirely.

Rodgers is a first round pick. He has plenty of talent. However, the QB position is one of the most difficult positions in sports to correctly assess in terms of how a player will succeed before they are given the chance to do so.

McCarthy and Thompson probably feel that Rodgers has all the necessary tools to succeed. He does. However, tools are just one aspect of the position. How Rodgers will handle adversity and pressure is mostly unknown...because he hasn't faced either anywhere near the level he would as a starting QB in the NFL. Handling adversity and pressure is perhaps the most crucial component to being a successful QB.

We KNOW Favre can do it. We don't know whether Rodgers can...and even if he can, it could take him half a year or more to get comfortable enough to start doing it. That isn't a knock on Rodgers...it happens with just about all young QBs when they get their first chance.

With a team coming off a 13-3 season with nearly all of the roster still intact, it seems odd that the team is so quick to usher Favre out the door when a title run in 2008 is still very possible.

Good point about the question of whether rodgers can handle the adversity, although he has physically shown us that he has what it takes, albeit in just one game, it is true that we have not seen if he can mentally hold up a full season as the guy. But in my opinion thats where you have to trust the coaches that are around this kid 24 hours a day, that they know what they see in him.

Favre can still more than likely do it, thats true enough, but the teams willingness to go in a different direction when they have an excellent QB that wants to come out of retirement, in my mind, gives us more than just a strong hint that they have the confidence and belief in rodgers to get it done. I think it would be extremley negligent and foolish of someone in ted and mikes position to not accept favre back if they did not, in my opinion, think rodgers was their man. Thats just my view though, we will find out very soon.

[sharpe1027]

I think it would be extremley negligent and foolish of someone in ted and mikes position to not accept favre back if they did not, in my opinion, think rodgers was their man. Thats just my view though, we will find out very soon.

Ted and Mike have repeatedly stated they are willing to accept Favre back and have shown it through their attempts to get him to delay his reteirement announcement and putting together a plan to bring him back in March...Even now, they say they would take him back.