LOYALTY AND RESPECT

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Well now I guess we should dump Driver and anybody else who ever gave anything of themselves to this franchise and while we are at it tear down the statues of Vince and Curly in the front because loyality and respect for past acomplishments don't fucking mean shit to this new generation of little fuck-wads.
wHY EVEN BOTHER BUYING JERSEYS OR ANYTHING WITH A PLAYERS NAME ON IT ANYMORE THEY ARE NOTHING BUT INTERCHANGABLE PAWNS ON YOUR MADDEN FRANCHISE MODE RIGHT? I GUESS ITS JUST A FUKIN BUSINESS AND NOTHIN TO GET TO WORKED UP ABOUT. WHY IS IT THAT SINCE TT GOT HIRED PACKER NATION HAS BEEN SPLIT.

I'M REALLY BUMMED OUT.

[packrat]

Loyalty and respect? Favre is the one who retired. Until tonight he didn't have the guts to speak for himself, but let all sorts of whispers start cropping up in the papers and on TV. I am very disappointed in him. I guess once Sherman stopped letting him run the show, he became disillusioned--but he played better when MM held him accountable. He has been my favorite player, but he has become self-centered. The way he has been conducting himself is certainly not what is best for the team. He can knock McKensie or knock Javon, but when it comes his turn it is "me first." So sad. Good bye, Brett.

[RashanGary]

The Packers seem to be sincerely empathetic for what is happening with Brett right now. TT was a long time NFL player who still remembers vividly the day he got cut. YOu hear him tell the story and you'd think his heart was still torn out, lying on the Houston Oilers lockerroom floor being stepped on by the young draft pick who took his spot.

They all hate to do this. Even when Favre told the story about McCArthy telling him they moved forward, he made it sound like McCArthy sounded sick about it and he is mad at them. The Packers love Brett Favre and in their minds he will always be a Packer, but they made a very hard decision to move foward and that is where they are right now. It's not just loyalty, it's the whole tough buisness with very high team expectations both on the field and in the lockerroom.

[GrnBay007]

The Packers seem to be sincerely empathetic for what is happening with Brett right now.

OH, you mean when they said, we don't want you, but nobody else can have you either?

[RashanGary]

The Packers seem to be sincerely empathetic for what is happening with Brett right now.

OH, you mean when they said, we don't want you, but nobody else can have you either?

I think they said, we moved forward and gave the opportunity to a kid who is killing himself to be the best player he can be and he's a pretty damn good player. He was here, putting in the work and me moved forward with the guys that are here.

The rest I think they partly care for him but they partly want to do everything they can to prevent this really uncomfortable situation. Too late, huh?

[GrnBay007]

The Packers seem to be sincerely empathetic for what is happening with Brett right now.

OH, you mean when they said, we don't want you, but nobody else can have you either?

I think they said, we moved forward and gave the opportunity to a kid who is killing himself to be the best player he can be and he's a pretty damn good player. He was here, putting in the work and me moved forward with the guys that are here.

The rest I think they partly care for him but they partly want to do everything they can to prevent this really uncomfortable situation. Too late, huh?

You THINK that's what they said......or meant. What I posted was what they actually said.....right?

[RashanGary]

NO, that's the summarization that Greta gave it. IT was almost fit for an Oxygen or WE movie and really bad journalism like Patler said.

Brett said they said they moved forward and didn't know what else to do but don't want to see him in another jersey because they feel (and alwyas will) that he's a Packer.

I don't think they're doing anything out of spite. I think they know Favre is very indecisive and they hate to do this becuase while Rodgers worked tirelessly for his shot, they hate to see Brett struggle with the decision even though Brett made it to begin with.

[GrnBay007]

Brett said they said they moved forward and didn't know what else to do but don't want to see him in another jersey because they feel (and alwyas will) that he's a Packer.

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LOL and anyone believes that? C'mon! They DO NOT want to take a chance on him signing with an NFC team........PERIOD. Plus, it's an effort to keep the Favre fans at bay.

[RashanGary]

I really don't think so, 007. I think they're first conversations with Brett were about him and the team. NOw that it's pushed this far, I think it turned to buisness but before all of this, I think they really did and do care about Brett and felt horrible that he watned to come back after he retired and they committed to moving forward.

TT said this is a very core, principal issue that they can't step around. He and McCarthy seem to feel very strongly about thier word and about what the work in the off season program means. They're committed to their principals and I really think they hate to see Brett struggling with the way it worked out. I think they sincerely liked being around him and want what is best for him. They're just hoping he really wanted to stay retired because that's the path of least resistance. It's a pretty natural hope I think and Brett did kind of want it anyway.

[GrnBay007]

I really don't think so, 007. I think they're first conversations with Brett were about him and the team. NOw that it's pushed this far, I think it turned to buisness but before all of this, I think they really did and do care about Brett and felt horrible that he watned to come back after he retired and they committed to moving forward.

TT said this is a very core, principal issue that they can't step around. He and McCarthy seem to feel very strongly about thier word and about what the work in the off season program means. They're committed to their principals and I really think they hate to see Brett struggling with the way it worked out. I think they sincerely liked being around him and want what is best for him. They're just hoping he really wanted to stay retired because that's the path of least resistance. It's a pretty natural hope I think and Brett did kind of want it anyway.

You are speculating A LOT on what management "feels".

So then they should release him.

Bottom line is it turned into a huge "pissing" match. Both sides are going to suffer....no way around it. It's just really sad.

[Harlan Huckleby]

The Packers seem to be sincerely empathetic for what is happening with Brett right now.

OH, you mean when they said, we don't want you, but nobody else can have you either?

This would of course be a ridiculous position for the PAckers to take. But you know perfectly well that this is not an accurate representation of the teams position.

Favre stated that Thompson asked him for a list of teams he would like to play for. Clearly Thompson is open to a trade. When Favre said that the team was forcing him to stay out of football, it was a cheap and deceptive play for sympathy.

[Lurker64]

It seems to me that Brett Favre is trying to hurt the Green Bay Packers organization, or at the very least his actions are indicative of someone who does. As such, I'm mad at him. Eventually I'll no longer be mad at him, but I am angry at Brett Favre.

Thankfully the only Packer jersey I own is a Rob Davis jersey, now that's a man who can retire with class.

[RashanGary]

You are speculating A LOT on what management "feels".

So then they should release him.

Bottom line is it turned into a huge "pissing" match. Both sides are going to suffer....no way around it. It's just really sad.

I'm not speculating on how they feel. They said the feel horrible and it would go right along with one of TT's most human traits "how he feels when he cuts someone". I've heard TT describe many times how it feels to be cut and how much he respects and honors past players even when he lets them go. He will NEVER disrespect a player on his way out the door and NEVER disrespect a player who is at the end of his career. I truely believe that. I don't think there is an ounce of spite in TT when it comes to players. I really do think he cares about that team more than almost anyone gives him credit.

Brett said the communications with McCarthy were good and told a story of how McCArthy gently told him they moved forward. Nothing about any of this sounds spitefull. It's just a really hard situation that I think they wish never had to happen to begin with. I honestly think 99% of Brett's pain is because for the last 18 years he's been at the very top and to be told someone is moving on probably tears him apart and makes him feel old, unwanted, guilty for things the could have done better and many other posisble things. I don't hink much of it was the fault of the Packers, just a really hard thing that happened partially because Favre left the door open for the next guy.

[woodbuck27]

I really don't think so, 007. I think they're first conversations with Brett were about him and the team. NOw that it's pushed this far, I think it turned to buisness but before all of this, I think they really did and do care about Brett and felt horrible that he watned to come back after he retired and they committed to moving forward.

TT said this is a very core, principal issue that they can't step around. He and McCarthy seem to feel very strongly about thier word and about what the work in the off season program means. They're committed to their principals and I really think they hate to see Brett struggling with the way it worked out. I think they sincerely liked being around him and want what is best for him. They're just hoping he really wanted to stay retired because that's the path of least resistance. It's a pretty natural hope I think and Brett did kind of want it anyway.

Yes your 27 years old. Nice to be so young JH, but don't try to paint over this shit mess. It's pretty clear that before Brett Favre announced his retirement he damn well knew or sincerely felt that team management wanted a change at QB. Now can you live with that?

Next we are learning that '' Well Brett you can come back or your welcome as a back-up to Aaron Rodgers ''. Did MM believe that Favre would jump all over that JH?

Yes that 's right JH. He would be devastated after the season he had personally and in leading us to a surprizing 13-3 record. MM is talking to one of the most competitive PRO athlete's ALL TIME. Brett Favre.

So let's add this little tid bit. ''Sorry Brett no trade or release. '' We want your LEGACY as 'a Green Bay Packer' preserved and 'in tact' ''.

Imagine JH for just a moment, your Brett Favre after that little MM visit .

Now do you understand the ''I believe I can still play well and the tears'' on his retirement announcement. Favre was devastated.

This is a rotten kick in the balls for Brett Favre and the Packer Organization has a bigger PR job to do starting tonight then it had at the beginning of Monday. It never had to get this bad JH.

PACKERS FOREVER.... not without a lot of damage control.

The mess just got a lot worse.

[RashanGary]

I don't think so, Woody. I think they were more ready this year and gave Favre less leeway, but I think Favre had way too much to begin with so it was nothing that should have been insulting unless you expect preferential treatment.

I don't think the Packers are devistated speaking just football. I think they believe in Rodgers more than we think. If they were affraid they would fail they'd take him back. Emotionally, I think they feel for him and hate to see someone go through something like this.