LOYALTY AND RESPECT

[RashanGary]

AS far as Favre goes, yeah, they probably don't feel like they need him as badly. He probably senses that and that probably hurts really badly but that's part of life. It's hard, but it doensn't mean someone is to blame.

[woodbuck27]

I don't think so, Woody. I think they were more ready this year and gave Favre less leeway, but I think Favre had way too much to begin with so it was nothing that should have been insulting unless you expect preferential treatment.

I don't think the Packers are devistated speaking just football. I think they believe in Rodgers more than we think. If they were affraid they would fail they'd take him back. Emotionally, I think they feel for him and hate to see someone go through something like this.

The Packer Management forced his hand. That's clear.

[Harlan Huckleby]

AS far as Favre goes, yeah, they probably don't feel like they need him as badly. He probably senses that and that probably hurts really badly but that's part of life. It's hard, but it doensn't mean someone is to blame.

Right on. And FAvre doesn't have a lot of experience with rejection.

I expect that Favre & MM & TT are going to simply patch things up, though.

I don't see any other option if an acceptable trade can;t be arranged. And I also think that they have always had good relations, and it will not be hard to get over this squabble.

[GrnBay007]

You are speculating A LOT on what management "feels".

So then they should release him.

Bottom line is it turned into a huge "pissing" match. Both sides are going to suffer....no way around it. It's just really sad.

I'm not speculating on how they feel. They said the feel horrible and it would go right along with one of TT's most human traits "how he feels when he cuts someone"

And are you really that naive to believe MOST management really gives a shit when they have their own agenda?

They may "feel bad" (i.e. 10%). There is a lot of ego involved now and like I said, a giant "pissing match".

[RashanGary]

I do think they give a shit and I don't think they want to hurt Brett Favre at all.

[Deputy Nutz]

I don't think so, Woody. I think they were more ready this year and gave Favre less leeway, but I think Favre had way too much to begin with so it was nothing that should have been insulting unless you expect preferential treatment.

I don't think the Packers are devistated speaking just football. I think they believe in Rodgers more than we think. If they were affraid they would fail they'd take him back. Emotionally, I think they feel for him and hate to see someone go through something like this.

The Packer Management forced his hand. That's clear.

Thats why when Favre wanted to play in late March Thompson and McCarthy lined up a private jet to meet with him in Mississippi to outline his return to the team. Get your facts straight. This isn't a management issue, this is Favre wanting to play football issue.

[GrnBay007]

AS far as Favre goes, yeah, they probably don't feel like they need him as badly.

Funny this is posted in the "Loyalty and Respect" thread.

[RashanGary]

AS far as Favre goes, yeah, they probably don't feel like they need him as badly.

Funny this is posted in the "Loyalty and Respect" thread.

Needing someboyd and respecting somebody are two different things and teh Packers and Favre aren't married till death do them part. They have a working relationship where one can leave whenever one choses. It hurts, but it's not a matter of loyalty or respect. Favre would have no moral right to retire if making a decision to move forward was a breach of the loyalty and respect clause.

[GrnBay007]

AS far as Favre goes, yeah, they probably don't feel like they need him as badly.

Funny this is posted in the "Loyalty and Respect" thread.

Needing someboyd and respecting somebody are two different things and teh Packers and Favre aren't married till death do them part. They have a working relationship where one can leave whenever one choses. It hurts, but it's not a matter of loyalty or respect. Favre would have no moral right to retire if making a decision to move forward was a breach of the loyalty and respect clause.

JH, aside from everything Favre have given to GB, do you believe Rodgers gives the Packers the best chance to win?

[RashanGary]

AS far as Favre goes, yeah, they probably don't feel like they need him as badly.

Funny this is posted in the "Loyalty and Respect" thread.

Needing someboyd and respecting somebody are two different things and teh Packers and Favre aren't married till death do them part. They have a working relationship where one can leave whenever one choses. It hurts, but it's not a matter of loyalty or respect. Favre would have no moral right to retire if making a decision to move forward was a breach of the loyalty and respect clause.

JH, aside from everything Favre have given to GB, do you believe Rodgers gives the Packers the best chance to win?

I don't know, but I trust the Packers to make that decision and that is what I think is happening here. I don't think they dislike Brett at all. I acctually think they understand his pain more than Favre even knows. Favre is just coming to grips with the first time anyone ever didn't want him for anything. It probably hurts a lot but sometimes hurt is just a part of life and not just the nasty, canniving side. I really don't see the Packers being that way. I just think they made a very tough call to go with a guy who was there putting in the work and I think they also happen to think he's up for the job.

If I had to guess right now using just my opinion I'd say Favre gives the best chance. If I had to read the Packers actions I'd say they think it's close and decided to move forward because Rodgers had the edge in work ethic and dedication.

[HarveyWallbangers]

JH, aside from everything Favre have given to GB, do you believe Rodgers gives the Packers the best chance to win?

It really isn't that simple. Rodgers has a ton of talent. He's sat on the bench for 3 years. He's a FA after next year. The Packers have to find out what they have with him. So, if it's close this year, you go with Rodgers. Would Brett be as good this year as last year? Good chance he wouldn't. It was one of his top 5 years of his career. He did at 38 years old. Guys fall off dramatically at the end of their careers, and he's been in Mississippi all offseason. Not to mention his own doubts about whether he can handle the job mentally. He was burnt out last year.

There's also the dynamics of the locker room to deal with. I get the feeling that if you took a locker room poll right now, Favre wouldn't get nearly as many votes as some think. He might not get a majority of votes.

I wanted Favre back. I wished he wouldn't have retired, but I understood him retiring almost on top. Magical year last year. I doubt this year would have gone as well--even if Brett had committed to returning right after the season.

[Pacopete4]

Harv... Al Harris sure doesnt think there would be anything wrong with the locker room and he wants Brett to come back... u know why, cuz he is the better QB... simple

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5

[Deputy Nutz]

AS far as Favre goes, yeah, they probably don't feel like they need him as badly.

Funny this is posted in the "Loyalty and Respect" thread.

Needing someboyd and respecting somebody are two different things and teh Packers and Favre aren't married till death do them part. They have a working relationship where one can leave whenever one choses. It hurts, but it's not a matter of loyalty or respect. Favre would have no moral right to retire if making a decision to move forward was a breach of the loyalty and respect clause.

JH, aside from everything Favre have given to GB, do you believe Rodgers gives the Packers the best chance to win?

I don't know, but I trust the Packers to make that decision and that is what I think is happening here. I don't think they dislike Brett at all. I acctually think they understand his pain more than Favre even knows. Favre is just coming to grips with the first time anyone ever didn't want him for anything. It probably hurts a lot but sometimes hurt is just a part of life and not just the nasty, canniving side. I really don't see the Packers being that way. I just think they made a very tough call to go with a guy who was there putting in the work and I think they also happen to think he's up for the job.

If I had to guess right now using just my opinion I'd say Favre gives the best chance. If I had to read the Packers actions I'd say they think it's close and decided to move forward because Rodgers had the edge in work ethic and dedication.

This really isn't full of your typical bullshit. It is pretty much right on the money. This is more of an issue of emotion then of actual football. Sure Rodgers is unproven, but that doesn't mean he can't play, and it doesn't mean he won't stay healthy. I like where Aaron Rodgers is at, but again best chance in 2008 is most likely with Favre.

I said several, several posts ago that Favre is hurt, he has had the door shut on him and it is painful, especially since he can still play the game at an all pro level.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I should also add that if the offseason hadn't gone like it has (e.g. Brett missing the offseason, Brett talking about how the pressure got to him, Brett seeming burnt out), there's no question that I would have given Brett the nod as the starter going into this season. At this point, I think it's fair to let them fight it out.

I think he'll be traded though. There will definitely be interest around the NFL. If guys like Pacman Jones and Terrell Owens can get traded, there are teams out there that would take Brett--even at 39 years old. I still think that's what will end up happening.

[RashanGary]

If I really had to speculate how the ulitmate commitment to Rodger happened I'd say this:

THIS IS TOTAL SPECULATION based on a few comments here and there and just knowing McCarthys personality a little.


They were going through their last week of OTA's/Minicamps and McCarthy was really proud of his guys for giving everything they had this off season and taking obvious big steps from even last year at this time. He has a really close working relationship iwth Rodgers and he could see how much he deserves the chance and is good enough to warrant it. He's fresh off offering Brett the job a second time only to get called back and told he's sure he wants to retire so he went ahead and completely offered the job to Rodgers. I picture a very exciting moment where McCarthy hands it over and Rodgers humbling and greatfully accepts. Maybe it's symbolic in front of the team. Maybe it's alone. Whenever that moment was and however it went down, I do think McCarthy passed it over at some point and I do think Rodgers earned it. I think they are very excited for Rodgers and just torn inside that Brett decided to come back. They held out, but eventually they moved on and now they can't go back because Rodgers earned this shot to fail before it gets taken from him. IF they passed the torch in front of the team, they would really not be able to turn back because that would be a cowardous thing to do and respect would be lost everywhere.