Favre Trade Done?

[Pacopete4]

I am not a trade expert, but what is the possibility of Tampa doing the trade with GB... Then Tampa starts talking with MN or Chicago about an additional trade where Favre ultimately ends up with one of those teams.

Is that something that could happen?

There would be nothing to block this from happening and I would die laughing at TT's face the day it does happen

[Harlan Huckleby]

TT feels the need that the Packers need to move on from the best thing that most of us ever had... to me, thats heartbreaking

It was not a question of TT's feelings, it was the reality. Favre retired, they had to move on. And then in July, after the team made the transition, Favre demanded back-in.

[Pacopete4]

TT feels the need that the Packers need to move on from the best thing that most of us ever had... to me, thats heartbreaking

It was not a question of TT's feelings, it was the reality. Favre retired, they had to move on. And then in July, after the team made the transition, Favre demanded back-in.

Transition? WHAAAAT TRANSITION!!!! my god, dont be fooled by that, oh we changed the offense to suit Arods strengths BS! TT doesn't want Favre for one reason only... HE WANTS AROD and always has... He just couldnt do anything about it til now because of the situation

[Harlan Huckleby]

I am not a trade expert, but what is the possibility of Tampa doing the trade with GB... Then Tampa starts talking with MN or Chicago about an additional trade where Favre ultimately ends up with one of those teams.

Is that something that could happen?

I've been asking this question for days, got no reply from this pathetic bunch of football "experts."

I guess this is a real concern. Particularly if TT trades to AFC for low draft pick. That team can just turn around and trade to Vikes for higher draft pick.

[Harlan Huckleby]

TT feels the need that the Packers need to move on from the best thing that most of us ever had... to me, thats heartbreaking

It was not a question of TT's feelings, it was the reality. Favre retired, they had to move on. And then in July, after the team made the transition, Favre demanded back-in.

Transition? WHAAAAT TRANSITION!!!! my god, dont be fooled by that, oh we changed the offense to suit Arods strengths BS! TT doesn't want Favre for one reason only... HE WANTS AROD and always has... He just couldnt do anything about it til now because of the situation

Look, its not just a question of X's and O's. They made a commitment to Arod, they have started building a new team chemistry.

IT's McCarthy's call - he's earned that right. Favre is not the coach or GM.

[vince]

Nothing would officially stop that from happening, other than the practical reality that no team in the NFL can afford to have the reputation as being purposefully deceitful in trade negotiations. The ramifications for Tampa's reputation as a fair player in inter-team relations would likely negate this from happening this year.

More likely would be a Jeff Garcia trade.

[GBRulz]

I am not a trade expert, but what is the possibility of Tampa doing the trade with GB... Then Tampa starts talking with MN or Chicago about an additional trade where Favre ultimately ends up with one of those teams.

Is that something that could happen?

I've been asking this question for days, got no reply from this pathetic bunch of football "experts."

I guess this is a real concern. Particularly if TT trades to AFC for low draft pick. That team can just turn around and trade to Vikes for higher draft pick.

Yeah, it's a huge concern. I just didn't know if the Packers trade to whoever, that they can include some kind of clause that states he cannot be traded to another team.

[Pacopete4]

So a coach of 3 years has earned the right to sit down a LEGEND after he's never missed a game for us, all the acolades, the trophy, the division wins EVERYTHING? Oh, and the fact that he played amazing last year doesn't tie into it?

I would agree with you that MM has that choice had he shit the bed last year, or even if he missed training camp... but he hasnt missed anything yet

[Harlan Huckleby]

So a coach of 3 years has earned the right to sit down a LEGEND after he's never missed a game for us, all the acolades, the trophy, the division wins EVERYTHING? Oh, and the fact that he played amazing last year doesn't tie into it?

I would agree with you that MM has that choice had he shit the bed last year, or even if he missed training camp... but he hasnt missed anything yet

IT's a complicated decision on MM's part. If you read quotes from personnel people around the league, a lot of them agree with the Packers decision to move-on, some disagree.

[Pacopete4]

Why is it complicated? Your starting QB from a 13-3 season is coming back to the team before training camp... thats not complicated..

it might suck for Arod, but thats how the game works.. you play your best cards, you dont fold em

[Carolina_Packer]

and Brett could have been part of the plan as a starter, had he just been able to come to his decision a little sooner. He didn't, and in life, sometimes he who hesitates is lost or loses out. With the team facing an uncertain future at QB and feeling that Brett was not 100 percent committed to footbal, how do you proceed? Do you let A-Rod take all the off-season reps and tell him that it's conditional on what Brett ultimately decides to do? OR, do you take the man at his word, trying to get his true level of commitment to the team and once you feel you have that, move on with what you have and build from there. Brett pump faked the Packer brass and he's been known to be good at that. Perhaps they just got disgusted after all the wavering and decided, OK, you're retired, we're moving on. They certainly had that right. Did they have real reason to hope for Brett's return? Not really until recently. We're they just supposed to hold out hope that he was going to return and not address the need to build in the off-season? That doesn't seem responsible to the whole team. If Brett gets to wait until training camp (if that had been the case) and he hangs it up and the QB situation lacks depth, then management gets killed for not planning well enough. That's a catch-22 if there ever was one.

If Brett is going to ask to be reinstated, I hope that he will see things the way he helped make them and how the Packers organization had to move on without knowing his true intentions when they were needed. I give everyone that he is still a better QB than Rodgers, but there are trust, reliability and commitment factors too. Talent doesn't excuse everything a person does (or doesn't do) that's necessary to show those principles. Yes, he has been the face of the frachise and has given a lot to them, and they him. What he needed to do was act like the face of the frachise and handle all this with more dignity, clarity and communication. If he had done that, we wouldn't be talking about this issue right now. If management had really, truly pushed him out the door from day 1 of this year's off-season, I'd be more upset with them. I want a winning team as you all do, but I want a well-run organization too; one that takes principles into account and treats all players with respect, especially all those with an unwavering commitment to the team.

[sharpe1027]

So a coach of 3 years has earned the right to sit down a LEGEND after he's never missed a game for us, all the acolades, the trophy, the division wins EVERYTHING? Oh, and the fact that he played amazing last year doesn't tie into it?

I would agree with you that MM has that choice had he shit the bed last year, or even if he missed training camp... but he hasnt missed anything yet

He earned the right the second he was elected coach. Whether or not it is a wise decision is an entirely different issue.

Some of Favre's comments seem to suggest that he believes he should be able to dictate what the GM and coach do. I think he may have forgot who works for who.

[Spaulding]

TT feels the need that the Packers need to move on from the best thing that most of us ever had... to me, thats heartbreaking

It was not a question of TT's feelings, it was the reality. Favre retired, they had to move on. And then in July, after the team made the transition, Favre demanded back-in.

Transition? WHAAAAT TRANSITION!!!! my god, dont be fooled by that, oh we changed the offense to suit Arods strengths BS! TT doesn't want Favre for one reason only... HE WANTS AROD and always has... He just couldnt do anything about it til now because of the situation

Paco, what makes you so absolutely certain that TT wants ARod and always has? Isn't it his MO to draft the best player and evidently when you draft 24th and a player you had rated in the top 5 or possibly top 10 falls to you that you take him? Also wasn't there the annual wondering if Brett was going to hang it up or not after each season? TT drafted the best player he felt was out there and also provided insurance should Brett call it quits. Then per Brett's own mouth he convinced him to come back in 2005 and 2006 and allowed Brett months after the season to decide to come back in 2007. Would all supposedly ego minded GM's go to those actions and also provide that much leniency?

I believe what was different about 2008 versus prior years is that they saw enough in Rodgers to believe that could successfully replace Brett and they wanted to speed up the time table for Brett to decide so that they could through off season planning/training take it that next level.

What really led to success last year as much as anything was team chemistry and you get that through the off season and the OTA's as much as you do during training camp and regular season.

The more actions I see by TT the more I respect and trust him. Initially I wondered WTF when he was hired and when he screwed the pooch and solving our guard play in 2005 but some say it was due to cap hell and that Sherman was much to blame for loosing Wahle with the 6m bonus he was due. I also wondered WTF when he passed on Bates and selected the unknown McCarthy who was OC for one of the worst offenses in the NFL that year. Each time I think I know better I'm proven wrong.

I think this boils down to a lack of communication on both sides.

[Pacopete4]

So a coach of 3 years has earned the right to sit down a LEGEND after he's never missed a game for us, all the acolades, the trophy, the division wins EVERYTHING? Oh, and the fact that he played amazing last year doesn't tie into it?

I would agree with you that MM has that choice had he shit the bed last year, or even if he missed training camp... but he hasnt missed anything yet

He earned the right the second he was elected coach. Whether or not it is a wise decision is an entirely different issue.

Some of Favre's comments seem to suggest that he believes he should be able to dictate what the GM and coach do. I think he may have forgot who works for who.

I didn't read it as that... I read it as he pushed for things and was told something by TT and then basically a complete 180 was said and done about the situation... I've said it all along that TT is a weasel that happens to know football real well but doesnt handle people well... not sayin Favre should have ANY say in football matters, but if this did occur, that he does have a bitch

[Carolina_Packer]

Why is it complicated? Your starting QB from a 13-3 season is coming back to the team before training camp... thats not complicated..

it might suck for Arod, but thats how the game works.. you play your best cards, you dont fold em

If this is the case, then it would appear that Favre might have a sense of entitlement, which is never good. He has to be a good organization guy, always, not just in the rear view mirror as he has been. Did he really think that when he was finally ready and after the team had given him time, even past his retirement presser and he still wasn't sure, that he was just going to come back in and take the reigns? Isn't that a little deluded? Who is running the team? If he had approached them and said, damn, I know I put you in a tough spot and I know you have to do things that are for the good of the organization, but I'm ready to come back full-force, so if you think you'd have a way for me to compete for my job back, I'd sure like the opportunity." If his attitude was, I'm ready, give me the starters job, then that to me would indicate a sense of entitlement. Yes, sure he is the best option, but you would hope your leaders present themselves a bit better than that, if that's how he acted. Perhaps it was somewhat of hat in hand and assumption that he would be welcomed back whenever he decided. It's shocking to find out if you're Brett Favre that you can't just show up when it suits you and expect this or that. I'm sure that was eye-opening for him. Is the organization wrong for taking him to task?