Part 3

[MJZiggy]

I think Vince is referring to the idea that Favre has a belief that he gets some sort of input into those decisions and Greta asked nothing to challenge that notion. Any real reporter would have pondered exactly why Brett thought that it listed "General Manager" in the quarterback job description. It's not germain to the unretirement discussion and they both know it.

[cpk1994]

Brett talked about how he can't trust Ted Thompson because he didn't resign Wahle and Rivera like he wanted, didn't interview Steve Marriuchi like he wanted, and didn't sign Randy Moss like he wanted. Brett said that, when he campaigned for those moves, Thompson told him he would do each of those things, but he didn't.

Then Greta interviewed Jim Miller, who talked about how the Packers should allow the great Brett Favre to have input into personnel decisions and let him start for the team or release him.

What a blatant public manipulations effort. At the end, Greta not so casually mentioned that there is a shareholders meeting coming up, and in not so many words encouraged the shareholders to raise a ruckus in favor of Brett Favre.

did jim really say that? he's been saying the opposite on NFL radio

Well he did take a lot of shots to head in his career.......

[hurleyfan]

Did she ask him ANYTHING worth asking? Anything? And has she thought about interviewing someone (oh I don't know) from the TEAM??? Anyone?

Absolutely nothing. It was a terrible interview. She basically just let him vent. So lame. I think he thought he could swing public opinion back to his side. I think he was close after the first one. There were alot of people that were ready to believe in him, but after the last two, he has sound bitter, jaded, and rather pathetic.

Seems as if all interviews with popular public people are nothing more than a softball game anymore.. No one asks the tough questions.

[vince]

My God, what a pathetic public manipulation campaign. That was nothing short of ridiculous.

What part of what he said did you think was untrue?
The Wahle, Rivera part, the Mariucci part or the Randy Moss part?

It may have all been completely true, although there is no doubt (at least in my opinion) that Brett has spun his personal accounts in a blatant attempt to make them appear as damning as possible and try to say opinion to his side.

The point is that Brett Favre has no right whatsoever to tell the new General Manager how he needs to do his job. Thompson is right to take Brett's thoughts under advisement and and act in ways that he and the management staff believe to be the right direction.

Perhaps Thompson should he have immediately nipped the situation in the bud and told Brett to leave the general management duties to him, but that doesn't put Brett in the right here. Perhaps he did that and Brett conveniently neglected to mention that. There's no doubt that Brett conveniently neglected to mention a lot of relevant facts in this completely biased diatribe sponsored by Greta.

Brett is acting like such a prima donna it's become pathetic.

[packinpatland]

I think Vince is referring to the idea that Favre has a belief that he gets some sort of input into those decisions and Greta asked nothing to challenge that notion. Any real reporter would have pondered exactly why Brett thought that it listed "General Manager" in the quarterback job description. It's not germain to the unretirement discussion and they both know it.

My take was that Brett was simply telling these stories to say that Ted has a history for not always being 100% truthful and forthright, and that history does have a bearing on this whole mess. I can't think of a time when a reporter, team member, or coach has said that of Favre.........in fact the opposite is true.........he's too honest and open.

[packinpatland]

Was it OK for Brady to lobby for Moss?

[vince]

Was it OK for Brady to lobby for Moss?

It's OK for them to lobby. It's not OK for them to expect that the general manager will follow their orders. That's not only upside down, it's a combination of ignorance and arrogance (more arrogance) rarely seen in professional sports.

Ted Thompson blew Brett off and didn't listen to his instructions because they were different than the direction Ted wanted to take the team. Now Brett's now crying about it because he can't "trust" Ted to do what Brett tells him to do. That's ridiculous.

[vince]

Brett talked about how he can't trust Ted Thompson because he didn't resign Wahle and Rivera like he wanted, didn't interview Steve Marriuchi like he wanted, and didn't sign Randy Moss like he wanted. Brett said that, when he campaigned for those moves, Thompson told him he would do each of those things, but he didn't.

Then Greta interviewed Jim Miller, who talked about how the Packers should allow the great Brett Favre to have input into personnel decisions and let him start for the team or release him.

What a blatant public manipulations effort. At the end, Greta not so casually mentioned that there is a shareholders meeting coming up, and in not so many words encouraged the shareholders to raise a ruckus in favor of Brett Favre.

did jim really say that? he's been saying the opposite on NFL radio

To be clear and fair, he didn't say exactly that. I was paraphrasing. He built Brett up by citing his accomplishments and tenure and then suggested that he has earned the right to have input into personnel decisions.

[packinpatland]

I don't think the issue is that TT didn't do what Brett wanted, as much as he said he would try to keep one guard, said he'd talk to Mariucci, and told the press that he wasn't aware of Favre lobbying for Moss.
He said one thing and did another.
For me, that's the issue.

[RashanGary]

Ted may have said he'd try. Of all we know of Ted Thomspon, he never says enough to be caught in a lie so I highly doubt he told Brett that he'd get it done.

[packinpatland]

Ted may have said he'd try. Of all we know of Ted Thomspon, he never says enough to be caught in a lie so I highly doubt he told Brett that he'd get it done.

That still isn't what I'm saying. He told Brett he'd at least give Mariucci a call.............he didn't. He said he wasn't aware that Brett lobbied for Moss....he was aware.
He didn't have to 'get it done'.......he just had to go thru the motions he said he go thru.........above all, just be honest.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I can't think of a time when a reporter, team member, or coach has said that of Favre.........in fact the opposite is true.........he's too honest and open.

Umm, how about when he recently lied about his interest in returning to the Packers? Said it was all just a rumor?

Or how about when he omits from his side of the story that he changed his mind about retiring last spring, and the team bent over backwards to welcome him back? Then he changed his mind again.

[The Leaper]

Umm, how about when he recently lied about his interest in returning to the Packers? Said it was all just a rumor?

That isn't really a lie. He did not say that he had no interest. He merely stated that all the reports were rumor, because neither the Packers or Favre had spoken directly about the situation to anyone.

Favre was actually right...that stuff was mostly speculation, some of it turned out to be right, some of it turned out to be wrong.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Umm, how about when he recently lied about his interest in returning to the Packers? Said it was all just a rumor?

That isn't really a lie. He did not say that he had no interest. He merely stated that all the reports were rumor, because neither the Packers or Favre had spoken directly about the situation to anyone.

Favre was actually right...that stuff was mostly speculation, some of it turned out to be right, some of it turned out to be wrong.

What bullshit. The "just rumors" about him wanting to return turned out to be true. What false speculation?

Leaper, you are rewriting the past faster than Favre.

[The Leaper]

Leaper, you are rewriting the past faster than Favre.

Not really.

The Packers apparently made it clear to Favre that returning was not an option...but they did not make that clear to the media.

I don't think either side is outright lying here...but both sides have conveniently left out items when it benefits them.