Part 3

[Harlan Huckleby]

The Packers apparently made it clear to Favre that returning was not an option...but they did not make that clear to the media.

The only reason why the team said ANYTHING at all to the media was in response to the hissy fit raised by the Favre campers.

And you are correct that TT was more forthright in speaking to Favre than he was in his public announcement, but that's because of his obligation to guard the PAcker interests. He discouraged Favre from returning privately, but publicly he left door open for him to return as non-guaranteed starter, because:

1) Damage control with public relations.
2) It strengthens his hand in trade negotiations with other teams if the Packers look like they have options.
3) Having Favre remain on the roster as a backup, although not TT's first choice, actually has some significant advantages for the team. Not least of which is that Favre can be promoted to the starter role if Rodgers is injured or falters.

Thompson is a goddman GM, he is not hired to show all his cards to the public. How open and forthright was Ron Wolf?

[cpk1994]

The Packers apparently made it clear to Favre that returning was not an option...but they did not make that clear to the media.

The only reason why the team said ANYTHING at all to the media was in response to the hissy fit raised by the Favre campers.

And you are correct that TT was more forthright in speaking to Favre than he was in his public announcement, but that's because his duties in guarding the PAcker interests required it. He discouraged Favre from returning privately, but publicly he left door open for him to return as non-guaranteed starter, because:

1) Damage control with public relations.
2) It strengthens his hand in trade negotiations with other teams if the Packers look like they have options.
3) Having Favre remain on the roster as a backup, although not TT's first choice, actually has some significant advantages for the team. Not least of which is that Favre can be promoted to the starter role if Rodgers is injured or falters.

Thompson is a goddman GM, he is not hired to show all his cards to the public. How open and forthright was Ron Wolf?

Wolf actually was a little too open at times, like when he kept saying how it assinine that Sherm Lewis was passed over for head coaching jobs and then psased Shem over himself leading to the Ray Rhodes hire. Then there was the imfamous "vote of confidence" right before he fired Rhodes. Wolf was quite the opposite of TT to the point of talking out of both sides of his mouth.

[Harlan Huckleby]

ya, wolf popped off from time to time, but he could also be a world class bluffer and liar.

[cpk1994]

ya, wolf popped off from time to time, but he could also be a world class bluffer and liar.

Very true.

[Merlin]

It is true that you do want a certain amount of deception in your GM, but not to his own team. Favre has been known to tell it like it is and be too honest. I think when any rumors come out about him he struggles with what he told whoever because he knew he should have kept his mouth shut. Especially his family. I don't know how he can't feel betrayed by his family when he makes comments in private to them.

It is obvious that Ted Thompson lead Favre to believe he would do some things and then never did them. What words were used really doesn't matter as the perception was there. It is true that when you have a great player on a team you may ask his opinion from time to time about certain things. It's obvious that there was a report between Bret and Thompson. It's obvious Thompson didn't pull the "I am the GM let me do my job" act. I don't think any GM would do that with their Franchise player. If someone asks you if you will try to do something or look into it and you respond by saying you will and you don't, Favre is right, it isn't exactly lying but it is deceptive.

I know that this issue is splitting fans right down the middle. If Ted Thompson is as good of a GM that certain people make him out to be then he is smart enough to know that this is about winning football games in 2008. Doing what is best for the Green Bay Packers so they can succeed in 2008. Putting the best players on the field from your roster in 2008. If Favre is on the roster in 2008 and Favre is not the starter in 2008, then Ted Thompson is quite possibly the dumbest person in the NFL. Thompson is always preaching about "best player available" and how the best football players make the team, yadda yadda yadda. If Favre files for reinstatement and Ted Thompson trades him, releases him, or makes him a backup, then Ted Thompson has done a complete 180 on his own philosophy. Can you Thompson backers handle a guy talks the talk but doesn't walk the walk? Can you handle someone who doesn't do what is best for your team to win in 2008? After these interviews with Favre, there is no doubt in my mind that Ted Thompson has been purposely been trying to get Brett Favre out of Green Bay, preferably to retire so he doesn't look like the bad guy. It's blown up in his face.

[Harlan Huckleby]

It is obvious that Ted Thompson lead Favre to believe he would do some things and then never did them.

Nonsense. Rather than make a general slander, why don't you say something specific.

Favre himself has never claimed that TT lied to him privately. Favre's complaint is that TT mislead the public in his most recent remarks. And even that claim turns out to be pretty weak.

[cpk1994]

It is true that you do want a certain amount of deception in your GM, but not to his own team. Favre has been known to tell it like it is and be too honest. I think when any rumors come out about him he struggles with what he told whoever because he knew he should have kept his mouth shut. Especially his family. I don't know how he can't feel betrayed by his family when he makes comments in private to them.

It is obvious that Ted Thompson lead Favre to believe he would do some things and then never did them. What words were used really doesn't matter as the perception was there. It is true that when you have a great player on a team you may ask his opinion from time to time about certain things. It's obvious that there was a report between Bret and Thompson. It's obvious Thompson didn't pull the "I am the GM let me do my job" act. I don't think any GM would do that with their Franchise player. If someone asks you if you will try to do something or look into it and you respond by saying you will and you don't, Favre is right, it isn't exactly lying but it is deceptive.

I know that this issue is splitting fans right down the middle. If Ted Thompson is as good of a GM that certain people make him out to be then he is smart enough to know that this is about winning football games in 2008. Doing what is best for the Green Bay Packers so they can succeed in 2008. Putting the best players on the field from your roster in 2008. If Favre is on the roster in 2008 and Favre is not the starter in 2008, then Ted Thompson is quite possibly the dumbest person in the NFL. Thompson is always preaching about "best player available" and how the best football players make the team, yadda yadda yadda. If Favre files for reinstatement and Ted Thompson trades him, releases him, or makes him a backup, then Ted Thompson has done a complete 180 on his own philosophy. Can you Thompson backers handle a guy talks the talk but doesn't walk the walk? Can you handle someone who doesn't do what is best for your team to win in 2008? After these interviews with Favre, there is no doubt in my mind that Ted Thompson has been purposely been trying to get Brett Favre out of Green Bay, preferably to retire so he doesn't look like the bad guy. It's blown up in his face.

Problem is YOU think Farve is the better player. TT is not you. He and M3 may well believe A-Rod is the man for the job. It doesn't matter what you think or I think, it matters what they think, and I trust their judgement becuase their track record so far has been very good.

[The Leaper]

It doesn't matter what you think or I think, it matters what they think, and I trust their judgement becuase their track record so far has been very good.

I think the track record of all Packer executives while Brett Favre has been the QB has been very good for the most part.

Winning in the NFL without a HOF caliber QB is far more difficult...and is something Thompson hasn't had to deal with yet. It won't be a piece of cake. Hopefully he continues to have great success, but I'm not going to be 100% counting on it.

[Merlin]

It is true that you do want a certain amount of deception in your GM, but not to his own team. Favre has been known to tell it like it is and be too honest. I think when any rumors come out about him he struggles with what he told whoever because he knew he should have kept his mouth shut. Especially his family. I don't know how he can't feel betrayed by his family when he makes comments in private to them.

It is obvious that Ted Thompson lead Favre to believe he would do some things and then never did them. What words were used really doesn't matter as the perception was there. It is true that when you have a great player on a team you may ask his opinion from time to time about certain things. It's obvious that there was a report between Bret and Thompson. It's obvious Thompson didn't pull the "I am the GM let me do my job" act. I don't think any GM would do that with their Franchise player. If someone asks you if you will try to do something or look into it and you respond by saying you will and you don't, Favre is right, it isn't exactly lying but it is deceptive.

I know that this issue is splitting fans right down the middle. If Ted Thompson is as good of a GM that certain people make him out to be then he is smart enough to know that this is about winning football games in 2008. Doing what is best for the Green Bay Packers so they can succeed in 2008. Putting the best players on the field from your roster in 2008. If Favre is on the roster in 2008 and Favre is not the starter in 2008, then Ted Thompson is quite possibly the dumbest person in the NFL. Thompson is always preaching about "best player available" and how the best football players make the team, yadda yadda yadda. If Favre files for reinstatement and Ted Thompson trades him, releases him, or makes him a backup, then Ted Thompson has done a complete 180 on his own philosophy. Can you Thompson backers handle a guy talks the talk but doesn't walk the walk? Can you handle someone who doesn't do what is best for your team to win in 2008? After these interviews with Favre, there is no doubt in my mind that Ted Thompson has been purposely been trying to get Brett Favre out of Green Bay, preferably to retire so he doesn't look like the bad guy. It's blown up in his face.

Problem is YOU think Favre is the better player. TT is not you. He and M3 may well believe A-Rod is the man for the job. It doesn't matter what you think or I think, it matters what they think, and I trust their judgement becuase their track record so far has been very good.

What I think you are right does not matter, but to dismiss the opinion of most NFL experts over that of Ted Thompson is ridiculous. Ted Thompson has made "I am smarter then you" decisions and then they turned out to be stupid moves. Open your eyes and quit blindly following the guy, he isn't God, he has made mistakes and he is as much to blame for this issue as anyone else.

[Merlin]

It is obvious that Ted Thompson lead Favre to believe he would do some things and then never did them.

Nonsense. Rather than make a general slander, why don't you say something specific.

Favre himself has never claimed that TT lied to him privately. Favre's complaint is that TT mislead the public in his most recent remarks. And even that claim turns out to be pretty weak.

What's nonsense is you blatantly dismissing Favre's comments and then making things up as you go and fueling the fire. I do not know what was said but the perception was there (if you care to READ everything I said). You would never take anything out of context and run with it (see your post about how it's obvious Favre wouldn't mind playing for the Vikings). Sad, really sad.

My Bad, you didn't make the Vikings comment, Idle did.

[sharpe1027]

It is obvious that Ted Thompson lead Favre to believe he would do some things and then never did them.

It is not so obvious. He had a deal in place for Moss. How is that lying? You can quibble about whether or not he was an idiot to let the Patriots out bid him, but there is no way he lied about trying to get Moss. Yet, in Favre's world, apparently he did. It would appear that Favre's digging deep looking for any ammunition he can.

[Rastak]

It is obvious that Ted Thompson lead Favre to believe he would do some things and then never did them.

It is not so obvious. He had a deal in place for Moss. How is that lying? You can quibble about whether or not he was an idiot to let the Patriots out bid him, but there is no way he lied about trying to get Moss. Yet, in Favre's world, apparently he did. It would appear that Favre's digging deep looking for any ammunition he can.

You must have missed the point he made. He was pissed Ted denied Favre had pushed for it. He was asked "Rumor had it that Favre pushed for the Moss signing" and Ted said "No, that's not true".

Not a big deal to me but it apparently was to Favre.

[sharpe1027]

It is obvious that Ted Thompson lead Favre to believe he would do some things and then never did them.

It is not so obvious. He had a deal in place for Moss. How is that lying? You can quibble about whether or not he was an idiot to let the Patriots out bid him, but there is no way he lied about trying to get Moss. Yet, in Favre's world, apparently he did. It would appear that Favre's digging deep looking for any ammunition he can.

You must have missed the point he made. He was pissed Ted denied Favre had pushed for it. He was asked "Rumor had it that Favre pushed for the Moss signing" and Ted said "No, that's not true".

Not a big deal to me but it apparently was to Favre.

I guess I missed that. In any event, I don't think that is telling Favre one thing and the media another. It is a tough situation, many players would be pissed if their GM told the media about a private conversation.

[packinpatland]

It is obvious that Ted Thompson lead Favre to believe he would do some things and then never did them.

Nonsense. Rather than make a general slander, why don't you say something specific.

Favre himself has never claimed that TT lied to him privately. Favre's complaint is that TT mislead the public in his most recent remarks. And even that claim turns out to be pretty weak.

Lied? ..........you're right, it was an 'untruth'.

[billy_oliver880]

It is obvious that Ted Thompson lead Favre to believe he would do some things and then never did them.

It is not so obvious. He had a deal in place for Moss. How is that lying? You can quibble about whether or not he was an idiot to let the Patriots out bid him, but there is no way he lied about trying to get Moss. Yet, in Favre's world, apparently he did. It would appear that Favre's digging deep looking for any ammunition he can.

You must have missed the point he made. He was pissed Ted denied Favre had pushed for it. He was asked "Rumor had it that Favre pushed for the Moss signing" and Ted said "No, that's not true".

Not a big deal to me but it apparently was to Favre.

I guess I missed that. In any event, I don't think that is telling Favre one thing and the media another. It is a tough situation, many players would be pissed if their GM told the media about a private conversation.

It would not be in Ted Thompson's best interest to tell the media that a player has been pushing him to sign a player. Seems to me that it would leave the door open for any player to come to Ted and ask for a player to be signed. It is just not good business practice.