PFT - FAVRE IS DONE?

[Lurker64]

We haven't signed any of our picks...Grant is still without a contract.... I sure hope there is some action in the next few days as camp opens this weekend.

While I can't speak too much about the Grant situation, we aren't far out of the norm when it comes to signing draft picks. There are teams with as many picks left to sign as we do who start camp several days sooner (the Colts, for e.g.). First round picks are the hardest to sign and only 6/31 of those are signed. There's only one team with all their picks signed (the Redskins).

It looks like the whole NFL is delaying putting of signing draft picks this year, and likely for reasons other than "we've been unable to reach a deal."

[Harlan Huckleby]

Re: PFT - FAVRE IS DONE?

We’re told the Packers presented him with a list of three teams to which they’d attempt to trade him, and that Favre refused each one.

Duluth Eskimos, Arizona Rattlers, Miami Dolphins

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I do not see the Chargers sitting Phillip Rivers for Favre. Rivers has made the payoffs two years in a row and is much younger. Of course, like everyone except Manning, Rivers has an injury to get through.

And Jacksonville had a superb season from Garrard last year. He is the coach's hand picked choice over previous incumbent Leftwich. He is not sitting for Favre.

Barring injury, which can certainly happen, I don't think those are likely landing spots.

Who are the three alleged teams the Packers would be willing to trade Favre?

I'm not sure. The following AFC teams have the cap room to take him: Jacksonville, San Diego, Buffalo, Miami, and Kansas City. Jacksonville and San Diego are set at QB at this point barring injury and wouldn't give Favre a shot at a starter, so I would guess the list consisted of "Buffalo, Miami, and Kansas City".

You used to be a decent poster but you've been rather harrell like lately. Wouldn't give him a shot at starting? Says whom exactly?!? Man... you seem to lack the basic understanding of what teams will do to get to a super bowl.

I agree with that, but to say given a chance to bring Favre in at some arbitrary cost and wouldn't give him a chance to start is foolish. Competition is good, a chance to bring in a guy to put you over the top is even better.

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Who are the three alleged teams the Packers would be willing to trade Favre?

I'm not sure. The following AFC teams have the cap room to take him: Jacksonville, San Diego, Buffalo, Miami, and Kansas City. Jacksonville and San Diego are set at QB at this point barring injury and wouldn't give Favre a shot at a starter, so I would guess the list consisted of "Buffalo, Miami, and Kansas City".

You used to be a decent poster but you've been rather harrell like lately. Wouldn't give him a shot at starting? Says whom exactly?!? Man... you seem to lack the basic understanding of what teams will do to get to a super bowl.

partial, you're about the closest thing to harrell there is here, so you shouldn't talk

EDIT - i complete agree with lurker - both SD and JAX both have young, promising QB's that they wouldn't bench for Favre in his twilight years

You're an idiot, then.

But, I agree with you. Favre easily is a better quarterback then both of them for right now and would probably win the job if given the chance.

Now, would the GM bring him in? Unlikely. Their is a difference and Lurker's wording is wrong.

[Lurker64]

I doubt any team with a starting QB that they're happy with that's young and has significant promise would bring in an aging QB (no matter how good he is) in order to compete for the job. That's a sure way to burn bridges irreparably with the young QB who may well turn out to be a first ballot hall of famer. In April of 1993 the San Francisco 49ers were shopping Joe Montana for a trade. At that time Green Bay had a young promising QB that had only 12 starts under his belt, but showed significant upside. However, in the spring of 1993 there was no question in anybody's mind that Joe Montana would be a better QB for the 1993 season than the young #4 for the Packers, but do you think Wolf (who we all respect as a GM) would have for one second considered bringing Montana in to compete with Favre for the starting job?

He wouldn't have, and if he did he would have been wrong. Sure, we might have won more games in 1993 and 1994, but would Favre really have wanted to stick around after that?

You don't bring in a guy to compete for the job when you're convinced you're set at QB (enough for a superbowl run), no matter who that guy is.

Neither the Chargers or the Jags would trade for Favre with the intention of allowing him to compete for the starting position, moreover if Favre was traded to either of those teams I am not convinced that Favre would win the starting job, particularly because Brett's preseasons have been underwhelming if not "actively unimpressive" for the past few years. If Garrard or Rivers outperformed Favre in the preseason (which is not unlikely), does anybody believe they would still give the aging superstar the starting job (in a year they have serious superbowl aspirations, no less) simply because he's Brett Favre?

Trading Favre to JAX or SD might be worthwhile for the Packers (after all those teams have a lot of good players), but neither the Bolts nor the Jags would consider it for a second.

[RashanGary]

Maybe the Packers found three teams willing to trade for Favre that they would accept. They then told Favre that these are the options right now. Favre said no.


Still, if worse comes to worse it's going to come down to Favre asking for reinstatement right at the start of the season and the Packers being forced to pay him and keep him as a backup until a trade comes up or release him.

[sheepshead]

Just heard - the three teams were:

Patriots
Colts
Hamilton Tiger-Cats

[cpk1994]

If this is accurate, Favre will be the first high-profile pro athlete who damaged his legacy by not playing for a new team late in his career.

Now that's a REAL PIECE of GARBAGE fr. PFT really really bad.

I won't even debate it.

Good. That saves 30 sec of everyone elses lives wasting their time reading it.

[Fritz]

The following AFC teams have the cap room to take him: Jacksonville, San Diego, Buffalo, Miami, and Kansas City. Jacksonville and San Diego are set at QB at this point barring injury and wouldn't give Favre a shot at a starter, so I would guess the list consisted of "Buffalo, Miami, and Kansas City".

Quoting myself to answer your question. Favre would count $12.7 million dollars against the cap this year if he was traded, and those are the only AFC teams with at least that much cap room.

Out of the NFC teams Chicago, Philadelphia, New Orleans, Green Bay, and Tampa Bay are the only teams with the cap room to afford him.

Gosh I hope that's not the argument you are making; anybody can rearrange cap space today to make deals work

Well, Bretsky, there is some limit to that. Many teams can work out cap room, but there are some, I'm sure, who wouldn't be able to re-work enough contracts.

I'm not so sure that TT wouldn't trade Favre to an NFC team - not a North team, though. But would he trade Favre to a contender like Tampa Bay? I'm not sure. Although if Tampa dangled some high picks - like a couple of seconds or a first and second - wouldn't you be tempted?

[prsnfoto]

I don't buy this one bit

But if TT and MM only gave him three teams to consider, then they are both pukes

If they only gave him three then good for them. They should take it out to the last minute the same way he does every year. It's only fair, right? Favre doesn't need time with the guys, he can jump right in so this should be no problem for him.

Speaking of the other idiot Harrell how is his attempted return from retirement back to the NFL going!

[pbmax]

Woody, management didn't take Favre's job away, he retired. The simple definition is that he gave up his job.

Given your devotion to integrity and truth in dealing with others, what do you make out of Favre's inability to make up his mind?

I believe it is calculated and made public for maximum pressure on the team. But other than a timeline, I have no evidence. I am open to other interpretations.

Why the indecision? And does that indecision worry you that he is not truly 100% committed to do what is necessary to prepare in the offseason?

Management takes your job away and gives it to some young fella with ZERO starting experience and do all you can to eliminate > 12 million dollars from the CAP and still have ""the Favre appreciation BS night".

[GBRulz]

We haven't signed any of our picks...Grant is still without a contract.... I sure hope there is some action in the next few days as camp opens this weekend.

While I can't speak too much about the Grant situation, we aren't far out of the norm when it comes to signing draft picks. There are teams with as many picks left to sign as we do who start camp several days sooner (the Colts, for e.g.). First round picks are the hardest to sign and only 6/31 of those are signed. There's only one team with all their picks signed (the Redskins).

It looks like the whole NFL is delaying putting of signing draft picks this year, and likely for reasons other than "we've been unable to reach a deal."

Well, we don't have any first rounders to sign so I guess I expected some of our late rounders to be signed already. The Colts signed a WR this morning. I know, I know....I"m being impatient and I know that we've never had a pick lose time in camp due to not being signed on time.

I guess I just want some news other than the Favre drama.

OT but I'd love to see a rookie salary cap. These first rounders not being able to reach a deal because they want $50 mil guaranteed is insane.

[ND72]

I was just getting ready to post this. If Favre can't come back and start for the Pack, this is the best scenario as a Packers fan. I guess if this is true, the "When will Rodgers get injured and Brett step in" talk will start up.

I wish Favre would just put the man pants on, report to camp, and when the battle.

[Chevelle2]

I was just getting ready to post this. If Favre can't come back and start for the Pack, this is the best scenario as a Packers fan. I guess if this is true, the "When will Rodgers get injured and Brett step in" talk will start up.

I wish Favre would just put the man pants on, report to camp, and when the battle.

He has to turn in his papers first.

[Gunakor]

I do not see the Chargers sitting Phillip Rivers for Favre. Rivers has made the payoffs two years in a row and is much younger. Of course, like everyone except Manning, Rivers has an injury to get through.

And Jacksonville had a superb season from Garrard last year. He is the coach's hand picked choice over previous incumbent Leftwich. He is not sitting for Favre.

Barring injury, which can certainly happen, I don't think those are likely landing spots.

Who are the three alleged teams the Packers would be willing to trade Favre?

I'm not sure. The following AFC teams have the cap room to take him: Jacksonville, San Diego, Buffalo, Miami, and Kansas City. Jacksonville and San Diego are set at QB at this point barring injury and wouldn't give Favre a shot at a starter, so I would guess the list consisted of "Buffalo, Miami, and Kansas City".

You used to be a decent poster but you've been rather harrell like lately. Wouldn't give him a shot at starting? Says whom exactly?!? Man... you seem to lack the basic understanding of what teams will do to get to a super bowl.

I agree with that, but to say given a chance to bring Favre in at some arbitrary cost and wouldn't give him a chance to start is foolish. Competition is good, a chance to bring in a guy to put you over the top is even better.

Partial, Favre has made it very clear he does not want a competition. He wants to be the guaranteed starter. Under no circumstances would he ever be a backup to anybody. He's made that clear. He's not going to agree to a trade to somewhere he'd have to compete for a job.