The Packers Are Dropping The Ball

[gex]

One thing that all the single-track thinking JustinHarrell's of the world are forgetting is what a slap in the face this is to the Mark Tauscher's, Chad Clifton's, Donald Driver's, Al Harris' and Chuck Woodson's of the organization.

These are the best players on the team, and also some of the oldest. These guys are the players that will determine the success or the failure of the team. Consequently, these are the special players that are quickly approaching the downside of their career and they deserve a chance to play for a super bowl after sticking with the Packers through the 4-12 and then the 8-8 season.

This team will make the playoffs with Favre. With A-Rod as the starter, it's certainly not a sure thing and one could argue its actually very unlikely.

The team should handle this by gathering these players up in a room and taking a vote as to what they want to do and who they want to start at Quarterback. Obviously, the result will be Favre, because these guys don't necessarily have 3-4 years for A-Rod to learn how to A) Stay healthy, B) gain some experience/not suck

I was thinking the same thing P, that would be another hands down win by Favre. How any of those players can respect Annoited Aaron for never competing for the job I don't know. They just see him as TT's pet.

[Zool]

GBM posted it.

Wasn't she here posting during the meeting saying that she couldn't make it? And that someone else from the forum was going to be there. He in turn posted about 10 minutes later stating that he couldn't make it either.

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GBM posted it.

Wasn't she here posting during the meeting saying that she couldn't make it? And that someone else from the forum was going to be there. He in turn posted about 10 minutes later stating that he couldn't make it either.

maybe it wasn't her? I don't remember. I thought it was. I know I read it here.

[gex]

Every report I seen or heard said 50-50

[Gunakor]

One thing that all the single-track thinking JustinHarrell's of the world are forgetting is what a slap in the face this is to the Mark Tauscher's, Chad Clifton's, Donald Driver's, Al Harris' and Chuck Woodson's of the organization.

These are the best players on the team, and also some of the oldest. These guys are the players that will determine the success or the failure of the team. Consequently, these are the special players that are quickly approaching the downside of their career and they deserve a chance to play for a super bowl after sticking with the Packers through the 4-12 and then the 8-8 season.

This team will make the playoffs with Favre. With A-Rod as the starter, it's certainly not a sure thing and one could argue its actually very unlikely.

The team should handle this by gathering these players up in a room and taking a vote as to what they want to do and who they want to start at Quarterback. Obviously, the result will be Favre, because these guys don't necessarily have 3-4 years for A-Rod to learn how to A) Stay healthy, B) gain some experience/not suck

He's already learned how to not suck. He's not going to learn how to stay healthy, he either is going to stay healthy or he won't. This is football for crying out loud. Injuries happen. As far as experience goes, how much experience did Tom Brady or Ben Rothlisberger have before they won thier first SB? Were they groomed for years before becoming the starter? I think Rodgers is as prepared as either of those two were, and the team around him is just as good. I see no reason why good things just can't happen with Rodgers under center.

Equally prepared, sure. Equally talented? Highly unlikely, even if he does eventually become an above average NFL qb. Those guys are bad examples because they're both in the top 6 QBs in the league and rare talents.

That's just it Partial. You don't know that Rodgers isn't a top 6 QB. Neither do I. You are just assuming he isn't because you haven't seen him do it yet. Do you think Steelers fans thought Big Ben was a top 6 QB when he took the reins? How many Patriots fans we're clammoring for Tom Brady, a 6th round draft pick, over Drew Bledsoe in Brady's rookie season? I'm guessing not very many, not until they saw what they could do anyway. How about we hold off judgement until we see what Rodgers can do?

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One thing that all the single-track thinking JustinHarrell's of the world are forgetting is what a slap in the face this is to the Mark Tauscher's, Chad Clifton's, Donald Driver's, Al Harris' and Chuck Woodson's of the organization.

These are the best players on the team, and also some of the oldest. These guys are the players that will determine the success or the failure of the team. Consequently, these are the special players that are quickly approaching the downside of their career and they deserve a chance to play for a super bowl after sticking with the Packers through the 4-12 and then the 8-8 season.

This team will make the playoffs with Favre. With A-Rod as the starter, it's certainly not a sure thing and one could argue its actually very unlikely.

The team should handle this by gathering these players up in a room and taking a vote as to what they want to do and who they want to start at Quarterback. Obviously, the result will be Favre, because these guys don't necessarily have 3-4 years for A-Rod to learn how to A) Stay healthy, B) gain some experience/not suck

He's already learned how to not suck. He's not going to learn how to stay healthy, he either is going to stay healthy or he won't. This is football for crying out loud. Injuries happen. As far as experience goes, how much experience did Tom Brady or Ben Rothlisberger have before they won thier first SB? Were they groomed for years before becoming the starter? I think Rodgers is as prepared as either of those two were, and the team around him is just as good. I see no reason why good things just can't happen with Rodgers under center.

Equally prepared, sure. Equally talented? Highly unlikely, even if he does eventually become an above average NFL qb. Those guys are bad examples because they're both in the top 6 QBs in the league and rare talents.

That's just it Partial. You don't know that Rodgers isn't a top 6 QB. Neither do I. You are just assuming he isn't because you haven't seen him do it yet. Do you think Steelers fans thought Big Ben was a top 6 QB when he took the reins? How many Patriots fans we're clammoring for Tom Brady, a 6th round draft pick, over Drew Bledsoe in Brady's rookie season? I'm guessing not very many, not until they saw what they could do anyway. How about we hold off judgement until we see what Rodgers can do?

Right, and those quarterbacks defied the overwhelming odds of NOT being a great player.

Certainly the odds are against A-Rod. Maybe he'll be a great player. But I'm unwilling to hedge my super bowl dreams on a weak maybe versus a guaranteed sure bet.

[MadtownPacker]

Shadow - Do you think this whole mess might make the teams veteran players concerned that they might soon lose their starting gigs even while playing at a high level?

mad, if I was a GM I'd start the year by informing every player that they would have a job only until I could find an equal replacement at a cheaper price.
Everyone would be completely equal in that way.
It's heartless, I suppose, but it keeps the good of the many over the good of the individual, and I think St. Vince would agree.

See that wouldn't work in today's NFL IMO. At that rate no player would play past his 30th bday. Careers would end sooner so players would demand more $$$ at a younger age.

I dont know much about Lombardi other than what you older homies say but I think he would say fuck coaching the way the NFL is today.

[MadtownPacker]

GBM posted it.

Yeah but she also post ass-shots of dudes so she cant be trusted.

[Packerarcher]

Re: The Packers Are Dropping The Ball

Trade him to the Vikes for a 2 if you're Teddy T and be done with it. If A-Rod is so good and you're so confident that you're moving on, you shouldn't have any fear of being destroyed by the Vikes twice annually.

If you honestly believe this, then you lose tons of credibility. He wont trade a starting QB in the division because he's afraid? That's just stupid P. In every sport you don't assist your rivals in getting better. You don't help a team in your own division get stronger because a player says so. I dont give 2 shits if this was Walter Peyton, Jim Brown, Barry Sanders etc. YOU DONT TRADE TO YOUR OWN DIVISION. That should be clear enough for you. You really should stop this line of thinking. Its not gaining you anything.

It was an example. It's a slap in the face to make Favre miss camp. Period. Get the trade done TT. My guess is we haven't seen a trade is because TT wants a kings ransom simply so no one trades for Favre. He doesn't want him to play period.

What a sick human. I think he's jealous.

Amusing.
Yes, of course Thompson wants the Packers to be a poor team so he can be fired. He wants to 'get' Favre at all costs.
Do you ever read your own twaddle?

Shadow,talk about the fire hydrant pissing on the dog. Do YOU read every thing you write. Just being old and typing doesn't make it ALL wisdom.

[Gunakor]

Right, and those quarterbacks defied the overwhelming odds of NOT being a great player.

Certainly the odds are against A-Rod. Maybe he'll be a great player. But I'm unwilling to hedge my super bowl dreams on a weak maybe versus a guaranteed sure bet.

Rodgers is in a better position to defy those odds than either of those two were. They were able to overcome that, and there's no reason Rodgers can't/shouldn't.

I'm unwilling to hedge my super bowl dreams on a 39 year old QB who hasn't seen a super bowl in over a decade vs. a 25 year old QB with loads of potential and a hunger that's been building for three years.

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Right, and those quarterbacks defied the overwhelming odds of NOT being a great player.

Certainly the odds are against A-Rod. Maybe he'll be a great player. But I'm unwilling to hedge my super bowl dreams on a weak maybe versus a guaranteed sure bet.

Rodgers is in a better position to defy those odds than either of those two were. They were able to overcome that, and there's no reason Rodgers can't/shouldn't.

I'm unwilling to hedge my super bowl dreams on a 39 year old QB who hasn't seen a super bowl in over a decade vs. a 25 year old QB with loads of potential and a hunger that's been building for three years.

I respectfully disagree. The Packers had a great deal of success with a superstar at quarterback. Those other teams showed they were very good and capable of dominating the opposition with an average starter. Those players put them over the top.

We have no idea how good this team is. Favre is a known entity and superstar that commands so much attention from the defense it opened up plenty of other facets of the offense. I'm really not sure what to expect without Favre under center. My guess is the offense will not be nearly as effective, though.

[MadtownPacker]

Rodgers is in a better position to defy those odds than either of those two were. They were able to overcome that, and there's no reason Rodgers can't/shouldn't.

I agree that there is no reason Rodgers cant and shouldnt succeed. The team is built to win now and if they dont the blame will likely deservedly fall square on his shoulders.

[Gunakor]

Right, and those quarterbacks defied the overwhelming odds of NOT being a great player.

Certainly the odds are against A-Rod. Maybe he'll be a great player. But I'm unwilling to hedge my super bowl dreams on a weak maybe versus a guaranteed sure bet.

Rodgers is in a better position to defy those odds than either of those two were. They were able to overcome that, and there's no reason Rodgers can't/shouldn't.

I'm unwilling to hedge my super bowl dreams on a 39 year old QB who hasn't seen a super bowl in over a decade vs. a 25 year old QB with loads of potential and a hunger that's been building for three years.

I respectfully disagree. The Packers had a great deal of success with a superstar at quarterback. Those other teams showed they were very good and capable of dominating the opposition with an average starter. Those players put them over the top.

We have no idea how good this team is. Favre is a known entity and superstar that commands so much attention from the defense it opened up plenty of other facets of the offense. I'm really not sure what to expect without Favre under center. My guess is the offense will not be nearly as effective, though.

So, simply put, you are afraid of the unknown. Gotcha. No problem with that. I guess I'm just not afraid of change, because I realize the potential that change brings. No disrespect to Favre, but the fact of the matter is he hasn't been spectacular in January over the past decade. So, assuming that the team surrounding the QB is good enough to get to the postseason even with Rodgers at QB, change could mean getting over that hump. I mean, I'd assume a 25 year old body could handle the brutal cold better than a 39 year old body could. I'm not claiming I know for certain, but I'm eager to see for myself.

In any case, the youth movement that has been taking place in Green Bay recently has brought a 4-12 football team all the way to the NFCC in 2 years time. The young guys know how to play. Rodgers can too, so let's see what they can do together. I'm excited about it.

[BZnDallas]

GUNAKOR!!!!.... how dare you make sooo much sense... i mean its absurd of you to bring that kind of genius to the table when i have to read all this other bs people like to type...

[cpk1994]

One thing that all the single-track thinking JustinHarrell's of the world are forgetting is what a slap in the face this is to the Mark Tauscher's, Chad Clifton's, Donald Driver's, Al Harris' and Chuck Woodson's of the organization.

These are the best players on the team, and also some of the oldest. These guys are the players that will determine the success or the failure of the team. Consequently, these are the special players that are quickly approaching the downside of their career and they deserve a chance to play for a super bowl after sticking with the Packers through the 4-12 and then the 8-8 season.

This team will make the playoffs with Favre. With A-Rod as the starter, it's certainly not a sure thing and one could argue its actually very unlikely.

The team should handle this by gathering these players up in a room and taking a vote as to what they want to do and who they want to start at Quarterback. Obviously, the result will be Favre, because these guys don't necessarily have 3-4 years for A-Rod to learn how to A) Stay healthy, B) gain some experience/not suck

He's already learned how to not suck. He's not going to learn how to stay healthy, he either is going to stay healthy or he won't. This is football for crying out loud. Injuries happen. As far as experience goes, how much experience did Tom Brady or Ben Rothlisberger have before they won thier first SB? Were they groomed for years before becoming the starter? I think Rodgers is as prepared as either of those two were, and the team around him is just as good. I see no reason why good things just can't happen with Rodgers under center.

Equally prepared, sure. Equally talented? Highly unlikely, even if he does eventually become an above average NFL qb. Those guys are bad examples because they're both in the top 6 QBs in the league and rare talents.

That's just it Partial. You don't know that Rodgers isn't a top 6 QB. Neither do I. You are just assuming he isn't because you haven't seen him do it yet. Do you think Steelers fans thought Big Ben was a top 6 QB when he took the reins? How many Patriots fans we're clammoring for Tom Brady, a 6th round draft pick, over Drew Bledsoe in Brady's rookie season? I'm guessing not very many, not until they saw what they could do anyway. How about we hold off judgement until we see what Rodgers can do?

Right, and those quarterbacks defied the overwhelming odds of NOT being a great player.

Certainly the odds are against A-Rod. Maybe he'll be a great player. But I'm unwilling to hedge my super bowl dreams on a weak maybe versus a guaranteed sure bet.

Brett's not a guaranteed sure bet. Nothing is a guarantee. Brett said it himself.