Harrell out for Training Camp, Possibly Season.

[Pacopete4]

every time I think of how bad our D could possibly get this year (no pass rush except Kampy, no DT's worth a damn, older CB's who cant get it done against good WR's, our saftey play is 50/50 good vs bad, Hawk not being the elite player we thought he was, barnett racking up tackles by jumping on the pile, poppinga getting rich while still not being able to cover a TE) I think of how bad it really could get with basically a rookie QB... put that together with a tough schedule.... could be a long season, i hope not, but damn.. nothing wants to go right, right now

[Guiness]

Maybe we should have used a draft pick on a DT, or kept Corey Williams.

I saw an article about the Browns new DL that was humurous. Talked about the 700lbs of new lineman they had, with Shaun Rogers and Corey Williams, and how that was going to make such a big difference to their 4.5 average yds allowed per run. I don't know what they think they've got in Williams, but run stopper isn't it!

This certainly is bad news about Harrel though.

[Chevelle2]

cut him... sick of him already

The Favre thread is both above and below this one on the list, I think you missed.

[woodbuck27]

When it rains, it pours.

Still, I think the title here is misleading.

No! and too bad ... sad, for this young prospect, at an important position of concern and now even moreso regarding our success in 2008.

and. . . . the LAWS

Karma. Just 'the beginning'. Sadly.

PACKERS FOREVER!

[Chevelle2]

When it rains, it pours.

Still, I think the title here is misleading.

No! and too bad ... sad, for this young prospect, at an important position of concern and now even moreso regarding our success in 2008.

and. . . . the LAWS

Karma. Just 'the beginning'. Sadly.

PACKERS FOREVER!

How the hell is this guy still allowed to post here? I havent seen anything actually about football form him, and his posts are barely english.

[woodbuck27]

cut him... sick of him already

The Favre thread is both above and below this one on the list, I think you missed.

cute. just.

[BallHawk]

every time I think of how bad our D could possibly get this year (no pass rush except Kampy, no DT's worth a damn, older CB's who cant get it done against good WR's, our saftey play is 50/50 good vs bad, Hawk not being the elite player we thought he was, barnett racking up tackles by jumping on the pile, poppinga getting rich while still not being able to cover a TE) I think of how bad it really could get with basically a rookie QB... put that together with a tough schedule.... could be a long season, i hope not, but damn.. nothing wants to go right, right now

KGB can still rush the passer if he is used sparingly. Pickett is an above average DT, as is Jolly. Cole and Muir could also show some promise. Harris and Chuck still get it done. Burress had the game of his life against Harris and it seems to be all he is remembered for even though he shut down top receivers consistently over the course of the year. Our safety play is a concern. Hopefully, Bigby progresses in pass coverage and either Collins grows some instincts or Rouse steps up and takes his job. Hawk should progress this season and Barnett will be Barnett. Barnett is an all-pro LB, he's proved that more and more as time goes on. Poppinga is an above average starter and with the addition of Chillar I feel good about our LBs.

The season will largely hinge on Rodgers, but it's not as bad as many think.

[Pacopete4]

ya, i went overblown on the D.. they did play well last year but they are more of a D that bends and doesnt break. They are going to give up points.. i think we know that.. and it seems at times, but always times where we play a not so good offense, that they make a big game changing play. I just dont see them as a top tier D that scares a good offense from doing what they want to them. And if ball control is not good this year (time of possession) we could be in for a long year.. its key with Rodgers that we are able to chunk out yards on the ground..

[PackerBlues]

No wonder Thompson wants to start Rogers so badly.

You can hardly give him any credit for drafting Hawk.

I guess having only one starter from the first round of the draft for his first 4 years drafting for the packers was to embarrassing.

I expect we will see a lot of embarrassment from Thompson before he is done in GB.

[Chevelle2]

No wonder Thompson wants to start Rogers so badly.

You can hardly give him any credit for drafting Hawk.

I guess having only one starter from the first round of the draft for his first 4 years drafting for the packers was to embarrassing.

I expect we will see a lot of embarrassment from Thompson before he is done in GB.

Lest we forget Wolfs blunders in the first round.

[BallHawk]

ya, i went overblown on the D.. they did play well last year but they are more of a D that bends and doesnt break. They are going to give up points.. i think we know that.. and it seems at times, but always times where we play a not so good offense, that they make a big game changing play. I just dont see them as a top tier D that scares a good offense from doing what they want to them. And if ball control is not good this year (time of possession) we could be in for a long year.. its key with Rodgers that we are able to chunk out yards on the ground..

Agreed on what we need to do with Rodgers. We're going to have to get used longer, more drawn-out drives. No more 80 yard bombs to win games. The WRs are going to have to make plays after the catch. Lucky for us, our WRs are one of the best in the league at YAC.

And, yes, our D doesn't strike fear in the heart of the opponent like other defenses do. I've accepted that ever since Jim Bates, even more so with Sanders as the DC now. To be a "bend but not break" defense you just have to CONSISTENTLY bend and put up enough points to win. It's going to be a challenge, but I think we'll pull through in the end.

[Pacopete4]

Terrell Buckley
Wayne Simmons
George Teague
Aaron Taylor
Craig Newson
John Michels
Ross Verba
Vonnie Holliday
Antuan Edwards
Bubba Franks
Jamal Reynolds

only guy he got to select in the top 10 was Buckley at 5 in 1992

[Lurker64]

I don't understand why people are so obsessed about the first round, it's the most overhyped thing in the history of football. First round picks are simply the ones that NFL talent evaluators are more confident of their upside or certain of their production, but championship teams aren't built in the first round. Hell, superstars aren't exclusive to the first round.

Even if we just look at the Packers team of last year: Favre was a second round pick, Ryan Grant was undrafted, Clifton was a second round pick, Tauscher was a seventh round pick, Al Harris was a sixth round pick, Donald Driver was a seventh round pick, Corey Williams was a sixth round pick, etc.

With the notable exception of Barnett, virtually all of our best players from the pre-Thompson era were not first round picks for any team. Most of the first rounders that made the field last year were guys that Thompson brought in (Pickett, Woodson, Hawk), anyway.

If Thompson blows every first round pick he ever makes but drafts well in the next sixth rounds, I'd be happy with that. Worry about the product on the field, not where the guys who step up are drafted. Last year the product on the field was fine, if not excellent. This year, it's too early to tell.

[imscott72]

When it rains, it pours.

Still, I think the title here is misleading.

No! and too bad ... sad, for this young prospect, at an important position of concern and now even moreso regarding our success in 2008.

and. . . . the LAWS

Karma. Just 'the beginning'. Sadly.

PACKERS FOREVER!

How the hell is this guy still allowed to post here? I havent seen anything actually about football form him, and his posts are barely english.

Typical Woody stuff. Just have to skip past it. As far as the D line situation TT really screwed the pooch with the Corey Williams trade then passing on Jason Taylor. What could of been a position of serious strength has now turned into a serious problem.

[woodbuck27]

I don't understand why people are so obsessed about the first round, it's the most overhyped thing in the history of football. First round picks are simply the ones that NFL talent evaluators are more confident of their upside or certain of their production, but championship teams aren't built in the first round. Hell, superstars aren't exclusive to the first round.

Even if we just look at the Packers team of last year: Favre was a second round pick, Ryan Grant was undrafted, Clifton was a second round pick, Tauscher was a seventh round pick, Al Harris was a sixth round pick, Donald Driver was a seventh round pick, Corey Williams was a sixth round pick, etc.

With the notable exception of Barnett, virtually all of our best players from the pre-Thompson era were not first round picks for any team. Most of the first rounders that made the field last year were guys that Thompson brought in (Pickett, Woodson, Hawk), anyway.

If Thompson blows every first round pick he ever makes but drafts well in the next sixth rounds, I'd be happy with that.

Your in fine comedic style today Lurker64.

A special breckfast cereal or one of those new Energy drinks?

Headline:

" PACKERS survive first round draft pick 'busts' better than any NFL team. All future first round picks are for sale. "

Packer GM Ted Thompson approves that message.

We're going to have a higher first pick next April than this year Lurker64.

We don't need that. [hint]

Packers Forever!