Should the Packers even allow Favre to practice?

[Freak Out]

Re: Should the Packers even allow Favre to practice?

I say, no; if it is their intent to trade him.

Clearly they have to add him to the roster, let him in to the facilities, etc. But they do not have to allow him to "practice" even if he is on the field.

If they intend to trade him, and do not intend to keep him on the roster under any circumstance, he should not practice. Letting him practice exposes him to possibly injury and the right to his full salary if it happens.

Then again, for all the conspiracy freaks, maybe they have planned a season-ending injury. Favre gets his money and goes back to Mississippi, never to be heard from again!

If the plan is to trade or release him then hell no...and I think that will happen (trade) before he even shows up in GB.

[Rastak]

ok, well you said 'not practice". of course MM can dictate what takes place on Hinkle Field. Telling him to not be there is a whole different ball of snakes.

You really should read more carefully. What I wrote in the original post was:

But they do not have to allow him to "practice" even if he is on the field.

Notice "practice" was in quotes; and
I stated "even if he is on the field".

Now, that being said, if they are working on a trade, I think they can still simply tell him not to come on the field. They probably couldn't do it for the whole preseason, but for a while I doubt it would be a problem. The latest CBA made some changes in that regard.

Are you female? This is really like arguing with a chick that needs to have the last word by back peddling and mincing words.

Or perhaps by tossing gender into a discussion where it has no place? Just like a man to not read a perfectly well written post properly and then blame the writer.

I left that one on the tee for you and you swung for the fences.

[Patler]

ok, well you said 'not practice". of course MM can dictate what takes place on Hinkle Field. Telling him to not be there is a whole different ball of snakes.

You really should read more carefully. What I wrote in the original post was:

But they do not have to allow him to "practice" even if he is on the field.

Notice "practice" was in quotes; and
I stated "even if he is on the field".

Now, that being said, if they are working on a trade, I think they can still simply tell him not to come on the field. They probably couldn't do it for the whole preseason, but for a while I doubt it would be a problem. The latest CBA made some changes in that regard.

Are you female? This is really like arguing with a chick that needs to have the last word by back peddling and mincing words.

Interesting approach when you have no argument. So by me responding, now you can come back with something like, "See, you're doing it again."

But actually I am not, because I am instead asking you to respond to the second half of the post you followed, which you conveniently ignored. I will highlight for you:

Now, that being said, if they are working on a trade, I think they can still simply tell him not to come on the field. They probably couldn't do it for the whole preseason, but for a while I doubt it would be a problem. The latest CBA made some changes in that regard.

To simplify it for you:

I think you are wrong even in your original (albeit inaccurate) interpretation of my topic. I think for at least a while they can simply tell Favre not to come out to practice, because a trade is being worked on.

Do you agree or disagree?

[sheepshead]

If a trade is done, he doesnt practice. If it's simply TT's intent to trade him he practices. TT really has no choice. Bretts contract is just that. He could file a grievance and thats the last thing TT wants or needs at this point. While he could keep him out, he wouldnt, he would get fired in my opinion. Others have pointed out precedence to you. If it's true then it validates my point. Bretts contract is an agreement between two parties, if he gets fined for not show up under contract, then the Packers need a damn good reason to prevent him from participating. Not having a trade partner is not a good reason. MM can limit Bretts reps etc and keep him healthy and he doesnt need to get to know Jordy Nelson if he's not going to be here. But TT has rules he has to live by and playing unnecessary hardball for all to see probably isnt going to happen.

I assume your mom and your minions can read so I dont need to answer their non-sense.

[Bretsky]

TT and MM both, I think, indicated Favre would be allowed back in some capacity if he applies back for reinstatement. It's reasonable to think that means on the field.

I doubt TT has a deal in place; I'm sure he's trying like heck.

Not that they might give the fans/media information that is slightly misleading to make things easier , but if they stick to the impression they purposely gave us they will allow Favre back

[The Leaper]

Not letting him practice is not w/o precedent. Remember McNair when the Titans decided they were done with him?

That was VOLUNTARY offseason workouts that they held McNair out of...not training camp. So, the circumstances are a little different.

I would assume Favre could make a stink with the NFLPA if the Packers did not allow him to practice. The NFL wants to see Favre on the field in 2008...he's a moneymaker.

[Patler]

If a trade is done, he doesnt practice. If it's simply TT's intent to trade him he practices. TT really has no choice. Bretts contract is just that. He could file a grievance and thats the last thing TT wants or needs at this point. While he could keep him out, he wouldnt, he would get fired in my opinion. Others have pointed out precedence to you. If it's true then it validates my point. Bretts contract is an agreement between two parties, if he gets fined for not show up under contract, then the Packers need a damn good reason to prevent him from participating. Not having a trade partner is not a good reason. MM can limit Bretts reps etc and keep him healthy and he doesnt need to get to know Jordy Nelson if he's not going to be here. But TT has rules he has to live by and playing unnecessary hardball for all to see probably isnt going to happen.

I assume your mom and your minions can read so I dont need to answer their non-sense.

If a trade is done he's gone, so of course he doesn't practice.
File a grievance, for what? Being told not to practice?
I seriously doubt that the contract says he has to be allowed to practice. They can't lock him out of the facility, and won't. He will be allowed to train all he wants. But for a while, maybe a week or so, it would not surprise me if he simply did not take the field with the others while the Packers "work on a mutually agreeable trade."

In reality, he will be on the field but take very few snaps. MM will say they know what Favre can do, they have 2 rookies and an experienced "vet" who need the snaps more. If the media makes too much of it, they will close all practices.

Now what is it that you want to know about my mother? A great lady, respectful of everyone, and still alive I might add.

As for my "minions," I have none.

[Patler]

Not letting him practice is not w/o precedent. Remember McNair when the Titans decided they were done with him?

That was VOLUNTARY offseason workouts that they held McNair out of...not training camp. So, the circumstances are a little different.

I would assume Favre could make a stink with the NFLPA if the Packers did not allow him to practice. The NFL wants to see Favre on the field in 2008...he's a moneymaker.

The problem in the McNair situation was that they barred him from even using the facilities. He was not allowed to train at or use any team equipment. That, they couldn't do.

[boiga]

TT and MM both, I think, indicated Favre would be allowed back in some capacity if he applies back for reinstatement. It's reasonable to think that means on the field.

I doubt TT has a deal in place; I'm sure he's trying like heck.

Not that they might give the fans/media information that is slightly misleading to make things easier , but if they stick to the impression they purposely gave us they will allow Favre back

That depends on Brett's attitude too though. If he refuses to support the team as a backup in order to muscle a release/trade from Thompson, then all this talk is pointless. Brett can make a bigger stink on the sidelines signing autographs than playing third string.

[Rastak]

If a trade is done, he doesnt practice. If it's simply TT's intent to trade him he practices. TT really has no choice. Bretts contract is just that. He could file a grievance and thats the last thing TT wants or needs at this point. While he could keep him out, he wouldnt, he would get fired in my opinion. Others have pointed out precedence to you. If it's true then it validates my point. Bretts contract is an agreement between two parties, if he gets fined for not show up under contract, then the Packers need a damn good reason to prevent him from participating. Not having a trade partner is not a good reason. MM can limit Bretts reps etc and keep him healthy and he doesnt need to get to know Jordy Nelson if he's not going to be here. But TT has rules he has to live by and playing unnecessary hardball for all to see probably isnt going to happen.

I assume your mom and your minions can read so I dont need to answer their non-sense.

If a trade is done he's gone, so of course he doesn't practice.
File a grievance, for what? Being told not to practice?
I seriously doubt that the contract says he has to be allowed to practice. They can't lock him out of the facility, and won't. He will be allowed to train all he wants. But for a while, maybe a week or so, it would not surprise me if he simply did not take the field with the others while the Packers "work on a mutually agreeable trade."

In reality, he will be on the field but take very few snaps. MM will say they know what Favre can do, they have 2 rookies and an experienced "vet" who need the snaps more. If the media makes too much of it, they will close all practices.

Now what is it that you want to know about my mother? A great lady, respectful of everyone, and still alive I might add.

As for my "minions," I have none.

You underestimate yourself. You DO have minions. Of course you might want to save them for a worthy foe.

[Bretsky]

TT and MM both, I think, indicated Favre would be allowed back in some capacity if he applies back for reinstatement. It's reasonable to think that means on the field.

I doubt TT has a deal in place; I'm sure he's trying like heck.

Not that they might give the fans/media information that is slightly misleading to make things easier , but if they stick to the impression they purposely gave us they will allow Favre back

That depends on Brett's attitude too though. If he refuses to support the team as a backup in order to muscle a release/trade from Thompson, then all this talk is pointless. Brett can make a bigger stink on the sidelines signing autographs than playing third string.

If they ban Favre from practice they are looking at a media disaster

I don't think Favre has yet implied TT is asking too much so a trade does not occur.......aka...trying to force his hand into retiring.....but he could play that conspiracy card if he chose. Not being allowed on the field could push him to do that. And if they don't allow him on the field....and don't succeed in trading him.............yikes

It's very clear AROD has been told he is the starter over and over so it does not surprise me that TT and MM will not have an open competition to see who is the best QB for GB in 08

They need closure on this

[Patler]

You underestimate yourself. You DO have minions. Of course you might want to save them for a worthy foe.

Thanks Rastak!

[boiga]

My point was more that Brett could come out to the field, but not follow orders from the coaches. Like you said, they can't keep him off the field, but they also can not fully control his actions once on it.

For most players, the penalty for such insubordination would be demotion, bad relations, and a risk of being cut or rushed out into a trade. These penalties wouldn't really apply to Brett though, so he would be free to make as much a stink as he so desired.

Jeez... thinking through that scenario is pretty ugly. McCarthy would pop a lid, and considering how much weight he's put on over the off season, we'd be lucky if he got through it without a heart attack. I hope Brett has more class than that, but after this calling Ted "shattered" to national media, I'm not so sure anymore.

Todays press conference convinced me more than ever that M3's relationship with Brett is irrevocably ruined. He only referred to him as Brett Favre, never just Brett like always used to be the case. Brett's on Mike's shit list right now, no doubt about it.

[Patler]

If they ban Favre from practice they are looking at a media disaster

I don't think Favre has yet implied TT is asking too much so a trade does not occur.......aka...trying to force his hand into retiring.....but he could play that conspiracy card if he chose. Not being allowed on the field could push him to do that. And if they don't allow him on the field....and don't succeed in trading him.............yikes

It's very clear AROD has been told he is the starter over and over so it does not surprise me that TT and MM will not have an open competition to see who is the best QB for GB in 08

They need closure on this

Again, I think they could get away with it for a week or so, but if no trade develops, they at least have to make it look like they are willing to keep him on the roster in some capacity.

This could be very interesting, if no trade develops in the next week or so:

Do you "give him away" for a low draft pick just to end the situation; or
Do you hang on until the end of camp, in case a QB goes down (including maybe even Rodgers!)?

Final cut down; do you trade him for a low draft pick/no name player; do you release him; or do you keep him hoping for a trade during the season when someone loses their QB?

[Bretsky]

If they ban Favre from practice they are looking at a media disaster

I don't think Favre has yet implied TT is asking too much so a trade does not occur.......aka...trying to force his hand into retiring.....but he could play that conspiracy card if he chose. Not being allowed on the field could push him to do that. And if they don't allow him on the field....and don't succeed in trading him.............yikes

It's very clear AROD has been told he is the starter over and over so it does not surprise me that TT and MM will not have an open competition to see who is the best QB for GB in 08

They need closure on this

Again, I think they could get away with it for a week or so, but if no trade develops, they at least have to make it look like they are willing to keep him on the roster in some capacity.

This could be very interesting, if no trade develops in the next week or so:

Do you "give him away" for a low draft pick just to end the situation; or
Do you hang on until the end of camp, in case a QB goes down (including maybe even Rodgers!)?

Final cut down; do you trade him for a low draft pick/no name player; do you release him; or do you keep him hoping for a trade during the season when someone loses their QB?

To me it's clear that all that "we value your legacy" was just pure BS and an attempted manipulation to get Favre to retire. They knew form the start they had no interest in him coming in, and they knew they were not going to let him compete.

IF they try to "get away with it for a week" as you noted, more fans will begin to criticize TT and I do think he wants to minimize this and the circus that would develop.

My guess is they give him away for a low draft pick; if Favre badly outplays Rodgers in the preseason that would be a nightmare for them after giving the job to AROD and letting him know he's the guy regardless. That first interview, I think with Jim Rome was telling......when AROD said.....we're moving on as an organization. He'd been told that LONG before this fiasco started and stated it like it was a matter of fact IMO.

I can't imagine they want Brett Favre as a backup; and if they release him before the last cut.......which would be completely BUSH LEAGUE....he'd be a better starter with one week of preparation than Tavarius Jackson is with the whole offseason.

Should be interesting