Murphy heads south, asking Favre to stay home

[Patler]

i've strongly backed the packers organization to this point, but I have to wonder if they couldn't have resolved this by now

How?

You can't trade a player by yourself. Some team has to want him. As soon as the injuries start, demand for Favre will go up.

[Lurker64]

I think there's a few things Murphy could explain to Favre which will hopefully allow this situation to be diffused if Favre cooperates:

1) There is no chance whatsoever that the Packers will release Brett Favre from his contract. If it comes to paying him and using a roster spot until his contract expires they will do so. If Favre comes to camp and tries to generate a disturbance or apply pressure on the organization, he will be fined and/or suspended to the extent that the Packers are allowed to do so.

2) If Favre comes to camp, he will not be allowed to compete for the starting job. Period, end of sentence. If Favre is in camp and lobbies for a shot to compete publicly, he will be suspended and/or fined as is appropriate.

3) The Packers are sincere in their desire to trade Favre, but his value in a trade is very, very low right now. In fact, right now I believe his value is around a 5th or a 6th round pick. The Packers will not trade him for a 5th or a 6th round pick, and in order to increase the value they will need Favre to cooperate. This requires Favre to stop asking for his release since he will not be released, no matter what and to give the organization a list of teams he would like to be traded to, and to honestly show an interest in at least some of these teams.

If Murphy is heading to Mississippi right not to make these things crystal clear to him, that's not necessarily inappropriate.

If they are sincere in their desire to trade him, they're not going to let him practice anyway (i.e. they're not going to have him doing anything while he's on the practice field, due to a risk of injury), so there'd be no reason for him to report to camp.

[BallHawk]

If Murphy is going down to straighten out some issues or shed some new light in the situation to Favre than I see the trip as worthwhile.

However, if he's just going down there on his hands and knees, asking Favre to stay home, well.....that's just pathetic.

You can't let a player hijack a franchise like this. It's bad for all parties involved.

[digitaldean]

Lurker,

I hope to God that's what Murphy is going do.

Other wise the whole organization will look inept (rightly or wrongly).

On the flip side, I keep hearing from Peter King's interviews with the local GB media that he's a non-confrontational guy. If that's true, let's hope he is able to see what this will do to the team.

[boiga]

Lurker, I like your theory more than mine.

I hope you're right.

[Bretsky]

I think there's a few things Murphy could explain to Favre which will hopefully allow this situation to be diffused if Favre cooperates:

1) There is no chance whatsoever that the Packers will release Brett Favre from his contract. If it comes to paying him and using a roster spot until his contract expires they will do so. If Favre comes to camp and tries to generate a disturbance or apply pressure on the organization, he will be fined and/or suspended to the extent that the Packers are allowed to do so.

2) If Favre comes to camp, he will not be allowed to compete for the starting job. Period, end of sentence. If Favre is in camp and lobbies for a shot to compete publicly, he will be suspended and/or fined as is appropriate.

3) The Packers are sincere in their desire to trade Favre, but his value in a trade is very, very low right now. In fact, right now I believe his value is around a 5th or a 6th round pick. The Packers will not trade him for a 5th or a 6th round pick, and in order to increase the value they will need Favre to cooperate. This requires Favre to stop asking for his release since he will not be released, no matter what and to give the organization a list of teams he would like to be traded to, and to honestly show an interest in at least some of these teams.

If Murphy is heading to Mississippi right not to make these things crystal clear to him, that's not necessarily inappropriate.

If they are sincere in their desire to trade him, they're not going to let him practice anyway (i.e. they're not going to have him doing anything while he's on the practice field, due to a risk of injury), so there'd be no reason for him to report to camp.

After an outsider like Murphy maps out #1 and #2, Favre and his agent will probably be laughing at point three.

The two sides have no trust of each other. WHY would Favre believe any sincerity in #3 when he already feels deceived ?

Favre should report

[Pacopete4]

Favre should report... and WTF... aha im laughing at that stupid proposal... you cant suspend a guy for showing up to practice and/or talking to the media about playing more.. Favre would have to do a hell of a lot more than that for anything to happen to the guy...

[Bretsky]

Absolutely why FAVRE should show up
Why should Favre trust them to make a deal in good faith

Does it hurt Favre if it takes a few weeks ? ABSOLUTELY. But Green Bay does not care. Which is why Favre should show up or continue to request his release.

THIS IS GOING TO GET UGLY

By showing up he will not make them trade him any faster. It will just get more uncomfortable for everyone, including Favre.

The Packers have no choice but to eventually move him by trade or release. It will happen when the Packers find the deal adequate, or at the final cutdown. Favre will not change that by coming to GB.

This is where we disagree; Green Bay does not want a circus. Green Bay wants this all to go away and Favre helps them out by not coming to camp.

Favre shows up and TT will move faster IMO

Favre does not trust TT; if I were him I probably would not either.

Coming to camp is his only card to push TT to move him fast so he can be given a fair shake at competing for a job

The longer TT sits on this the harder it is for Favre to play......which is what they want.

Bus IMO will be smarter than this; he will demand a date/deadline of a trade or a release and if they don't no way do they comply

[packers11]

He already gave the turtle until Wednesday...

He told them since June 20 "Give me my helmet or give me my release"

WHAT THE FUCK IS TAKING THE PACKERS SO LONG...

Keep him or CUT HIM... No team is going to give up shit now, they see the mess BOTH parties created...

[Pacopete4]

TT and the Packers are in a bind, wowzers have the tables turned....

[Patler]

One of Murphy's biggest initial acts as president is to fly down to Miss to beg him not to come back?! WTF?!?!

I think you all have this wrong. If I am Murphy, there is no begging going on. The conversation would go something like this:

"Brett, we own you until WE decide that we don't. You are NOT going to change this in any way, shape or form. Now you can come to GB and make life miserable for yourself and your friends like DD, Clifton, Tauscher and others who will be harassed continually. Or, you can stay here with your wife and family until we get this done.

"Remember, if you come to GB you will do only what we ask you to, when we ask you to.

"Right now, NO ONE WANTS YOU. You have professed to understand the business side of these issues. Well, now its your turn to experience the uncomfortable part. Do the right thing for everyone involved, including yourself.

"Believe me, we want to be rid of you as much as you want to be rid of us. Divorces are messy only when people make it that way. This does not have to get worse than it already is. We will make this happen as soon as possible. We have no choice in that regard. We know you want to be in camp with your new team ASAP, and we will do that if we can. But it may not happen until September, and that's just the way it is.

Now, what AFC teams are you willing to go to?"

[packers11]

We know you want to be in camp with your new team ASAP, and we will do that if we can. But it may not happen until September, and that's just the way it is.

Now, what AFC teams are you willing to go to?"

Then he responds...

"Go fuck yourself, ill see you there tomorrow"

If Murphy tries to bully / tell Favre what to do, that's only going to get him more pissed and Favre will go to training camp and create a circus just to stick it to them...

[MOBB DEEP]

i guess this is that grand plan mm was talkn bout huh???

[Bretsky]

One of Murphy's biggest initial acts as president is to fly down to Miss to beg him not to come back?! WTF?!?!

I think you all have this wrong. If I am Murphy, there is no begging going on. The conversation would go something like this:

"Brett, we own you until WE decide that we don't. You are NOT going to change this in any way, shape or form. Now you can come to GB and make life miserable for yourself and your friends like DD, Clifton, Tauscher and others who will be harassed continually. Or, you can stay here with your wife and family until we get this done.

"Remember, if you come to GB you will do only what we ask you to, when we ask you to.

"Right now, NO ONE WANTS YOU. You have professed to understand the business side of these issues. Well, now its your turn to experience the uncomfortable part. Do the right thing for everyone involved, including yourself.

"Believe me, we want to be rid of you as much as you want to be rid of us. Divorces are messy only when people make it that way. This does not have to get worse than it already is. We will make this happen as soon as possible. We have no choice in that regard. We know you want to be in camp with your new team ASAP, and we will do that if we can. But it may not happen until September, and that's just the way it is.

Now, what AFC teams are you willing to go to?"

Dear Mark Murphy,

I have little to no trust in you, who I hardly know, or the guys that you say are so diligently trying to move me.

I am coming to camp and I know it's going to be uncomfortable, but it's the only way I know if that will put a rush on your desire...if that is what you care to call it...to move me.

I've given you a few days and for every day you sit on your ass and don't make something happen, my ability to play is lessened.

So tell the Turtle to get something down or give me a release.

Thanks for coming, don't let the door hit you in the ass, and I'll see you tomorrow in Green Bay.

[Patler]

TT and the Packers are in a bind, wowzers have the tables turned....

Not a bit.

No matter how much of a mess it is for all of August, it will barely be remembered by December if the Packers are headed back to the playoffs.

Nothing has changed.