Murphy heads south, asking Favre to stay home

[Pacopete4]

Its gonna suck when Favre never comes around the Packers anymore.. and I dont blame him really.. but it sucks because our history is tarnished and really, for no good reason at all

[mraynrand]

Wow! No, HH the organization is not showing appreciation for Favre. How can they be showing him respect and appreciation by not allowing him to come to camp and compete for a starting position? It's just crazy.

It's true they don't want him to play on the Packers anymore. They feel the same way about Bart Starr, BTW, and I think he is still held in pretty high regard.

That's just stupid, Harlan. Starr is not a threat to return or to play elsewhere. The Packers want their way and they hold all the cards - nothing more nor less.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I'm sure TT appreciated Favre calling him a liar on a national cable program. Probably made him feel all warm and fuzzy inside. Should make TT want to keep up that happy relationship.

Honestly, I think they let it roll off their backs.

Favre is a man-child, unable to deal with rejection.

Remember what Favre said about his retirement plans last spring? "I'm gonna do nothin." He's unstable, nearing the end of football.

[GrnBay007]

To start, he's been excellent with the media. He hasn't disrespected Brett or expressed frustration at the situation. He says repeatedly "Brett will do what Brett will do. I am the starting QB of the Packers and I intend on winning football games."

C'mon Ballhawk, he's been excellent with the media because during this media circus he's been told how to respond....count on it.

Yes, I know the team has told him to keep it cool....that's common sense.

However, it would be easy, after 100s of questions to just snap and really give the media something to misconstrue...much worse than the "shut up" comment.

Even you could admit, anybody could admit, Aaron could not of handled this better. The team can tell you one thing, but it's down to Aaron to perform in those interviews. He's done that.

Well, lets wait and see how he handles himself and the media during the season...that will tell us way more then now. My only point is the guy has not handled near the pressure during this ordeal that he will during the season. I think it was Nutz that posted something about this and how Packer management is putting an incredible amount of pressure on the guy(that we will see down the road) I really hope he handles it all well no matter what happens...he really is in a tough spot.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Wow! No, HH the organization is not showing appreciation for Favre. How can they be showing him respect and appreciation by not allowing him to come to camp and compete for a starting position? It's just crazy.

It's true they don't want him to play on the Packers anymore. They feel the same way about Bart Starr, BTW, and I think he is still held in pretty high regard.

That's just stupid, Harlan. Starr is not a threat to return or to play elsewhere. The Packers want their way and they hold all the cards - nothing more nor less.

you seem to be a little weak on the reading comprehension here.
OR maybe I have no idea how your remark fits in because I am indeed stupid.

[BallHawk]

Well, lets wait and see how he handles himself and the media during the season...that will tell us way more then now. My only point is the guy has not handled near the pressure during this ordeal that he will during the season. I think it was Nutz that posted something about this and how Packer management is putting an incredible amount of pressure on the guy(that we will see down the road) I really hope he handles it all well no matter what happens...he really is in a tough spot.

Agreed, 100%.

Aaron will either make a lot of people look very wise or very foolish. The risk is higher than the reward, IMO. But everybody's behind him, if he's going to succeed he couldn't have a better situation.

[GrnBay007]

Wow! No, HH the organization is not showing appreciation for Favre. How can they be showing him respect and appreciation by not allowing him to come to camp and compete for a starting position? It's just crazy.

It's true they don't want him to play on the Packers anymore. They feel the same way about Bart Starr, BTW, and I think he is still held in pretty high regard.

That's just stupid, Harlan. Starr is not a threat to return or to play elsewhere. The Packers want their way and they hold all the cards - nothing more nor less.

I'm confused. Are you saying the Packers should allow Favre to play wherever he chooses?

[mraynrand]

Wow! No, HH the organization is not showing appreciation for Favre. How can they be showing him respect and appreciation by not allowing him to come to camp and compete for a starting position? It's just crazy.

It's true they don't want him to play on the Packers anymore. They feel the same way about Bart Starr, BTW, and I think he is still held in pretty high regard.

That's just stupid, Harlan. Starr is not a threat to return or to play elsewhere. The Packers want their way and they hold all the cards - nothing more nor less.

you seem to be a little weak on the reading comprehension here.
OR maybe I have no idea how your remark fits in because I am indeed stupid.

Maybe we're not on the same wavelength here. Starr can't play, can't compete for a starting position. Favre can. The high regard in which Starr is held is for his past accomplishments in the 60s, and his character. That has nothing to do with the situation with Favre. Favre is and will always be held in high regard for his on the field accomplishments. But comparing him to Starr at this point is very odd. Did I miss something?

[Harlan Huckleby]

wow, talk about a lost thread of conversation.

[bobblehead]

If I was Rodgers I would go to MM/TT and tell them I would accept Favre back as a starter for all that he meant to the organization... He would be an INSTANT FAN FAVORITE / MEDIA LOVED PLAYER.

I mean, if it wasn't for Favre you could pretty much say he would be in Alex Smith's situation... Thrown right into the fire and turn out to be a bust...

But I live in the most optimistic world...

It would never happen...

and what if MM said "gee aaron, why would you say that. You aren't prone to throwing HUGE interceptions, or setting the ball down like brett did in that st. louis game. We actually think you are a better player and you should be the starter" what then mr. theoretical?

Being that you are playing the "if I were rodgers" game, let me ask you this. What if you actually believed in yourself and thought you were the better QB at this point?? I mean, what if you actually had a shred of self confidence, would you still hand the starting job over to favre cuz he is such a great guy?

[mraynrand]

Wow! No, HH the organization is not showing appreciation for Favre. How can they be showing him respect and appreciation by not allowing him to come to camp and compete for a starting position? It's just crazy.

It's true they don't want him to play on the Packers anymore. They feel the same way about Bart Starr, BTW, and I think he is still held in pretty high regard.

That's just stupid, Harlan. Starr is not a threat to return or to play elsewhere. The Packers want their way and they hold all the cards - nothing more nor less.

I'm confused. Are you saying the Packers should allow Favre to play wherever he chooses?

No. They appear to want him to retire, and really as far as I can tell, can keep him from playing anywhere so long as his contract is intact, if they are willing to eat the 12 mil. The only way I can imagine Favre forcing their hand is if he becomes a total distraction.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Maybe we're not on the same wavelength here. Starr can't play, can't compete for a starting position. Favre can. The high regard in which Starr is held is for his past accomplishments in the 60s, and his character. That has nothing to do with the situation with Favre. Favre is and will always be held in high regard for his on the field accomplishments. But comparing him to Starr at this point is very odd. Did I miss something?

All I was suggesting is that the Packers are not disrespecting Favre by not wanting him on the team. They also don't want Forrest Gregg in camp. Uhh, never mind. The point is that just because a player is judged to be cooked does not mean he is disrespected.

[Merlin]

There are as many ways to view this as there are stars in the sky.

Favre needs to show up for camp, period. If Murphy is usurping Ted then you have to know that something is rotten between Favre and Ted. There are always two sides to every story and somewhere in the middle is the truth. Brett is more believable because he shoots his mouth off without thinking. Thompson on the other hand has been deceptive with the fans, not followed his own policies of fielding the best team possible or keeping the best football players. Do I think Favre may have taken some things Ted said differently then they were meant to be? Sure. Do I think Thompson was less then upfront with Favre and may have intentionally at times deceived him? You bet. We aren't privy to the conversations so it's difficult to stay on one side vs the other.

Murphy going down there looks to me like an act of desperation on the Packers part and if Favre is smart, he will do what they Packers are claiming to be doing in the name of their best interests, Favre needs to do what is in his and that is to show up at camp. They cannot prevent him from being there, that is against the CBA. They can relegate him to light practice and busy work but they can't keep him from being there. He would have to really f'up in order to be fined or disciplined. Favre isn't going to do anything but practice football. Anything who thinks otherwise isn't thinking straight because the guy said all he wants to do is PLAY, why would he jeopardize that by being a cancer? If the Packers can't find a suitable trade partner then they will have to keep him on as a backup. And if Ted is a man of his word and your backup outperforms your starter, then the choice is clear, you release the backup, because no one and I mean no one is ever going to get it through Thompson's thick skull that you actually DO field the best team, not the one your ego says is better.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I would cheer for #4, but I have a little less respect for him after how this was handled.

Those who think the team is correct to move on, aren't trying to put little pins into Brett Favre voodoo dolls. Some of us think the melodrama of the last 4 years put Favre before the team. Some think that the title game was just another case of his skills dropping off.

FOR ME, it's the melodrama plus the other factors of using surrogates to do your commentary that appeared to be a bit much or throwing M3 under the bus re: Mooch's non-interview. (not to mention having a separate locker room, etc.).

Same here.

[HarveyWallbangers]

To start, he's been excellent with the media. He hasn't disrespected Brett or expressed frustration at the situation. He says repeatedly "Brett will do what Brett will do. I am the starting QB of the Packers and I intend on winning football games."

He's shown the type of poise with the media you look for in a young QB. He's handled it like a gentleman.

And I feel he's gone the extra mile with teammates. Having them over to his house for dinner, video games, etc. He's making himself open and approachable which I think Favre has lacked in the last few years.

Really, the 24 year old kid is outclassing the 38 year old veteran. It's that simple.

Agreed.