Vets want Favre back

[The Leaper]

Nothing against Brett, but he hasn't exactly been setting the world on fire in preseason in recent memory. When you put up a completion percentage better than 60% once in three years of preseason play, that's not exactly something you brag about.

Who the fuck cares?

What are Brett's career stats when it counts? Oh yeah...he's pretty damn good.

Why the fuck would anyone care what Favre did in meaningless preseason games? The fact you are bringing it up is a huge reach IMO.

Are you suggesting Favre is crappy and should not have been starting for the Packers the last 16 years?

Just what the hell is your point? Teams have gone 0-4 in the preseason and gone on to tear up the league when it counts. Preseason is about one thing for a proven guy like Favre...STAYING HEALTHY.

If Favre was in a competition in camp...believe me, he'd kick Rodgers ass.

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Nothing against Brett, but he hasn't exactly been setting the world on fire in preseason in recent memory. When you put up a completion percentage better than 60% once in three years of preseason play, that's not exactly something you brag about.

Who the fuck cares?

What are Brett's career stats when it counts? Oh yeah...he's pretty damn good.

Why the fuck would anyone care what Favre did in meaningless preseason games? The fact you are bringing it up is a huge reach IMO.

Are you suggesting Favre is crappy and should not have been starting for the Packers the last 16 years?

Just what the hell is your point? Teams have gone 0-4 in the preseason and gone on to tear up the league when it counts. Preseason is about one thing for a proven guy like Favre...STAYING HEALTHY.

uh... when it counts? like the playoffs?

do you really want his stats?

the point fucking is ...

I dont care if aaron rodgers has us go 9-7 and barely make it through the first couple rounds of the playoffs... if eli manning can MANAGE a football game and play mistake free football in consecutive games enough to win a super bowl stats dont mean shit to me.

I DONT EXPECT RODGERS TO HAVE BETTER STATS THAN FAVRE!!!

I EXPECT HIM TO PLAY CLOSER TO MISTAKE FREE FOOTBALL AT A MORE CONSISTENT BASIS (BRETTS CAREER LONG DOWNFALL)

if our LEADER (you know what a leader does right? they lead, they set the tone) curls up in a ball cuz it's cold outside then 13-3 when it's warm outside doesnt mean a fucking thing.

our man needs to SHOW UP every SUNDAY. not just when his bones feel up for it.

brett himself said he cant do 100%... he couldnt even do it last year when he WAS committed.

anyone screaming violently for favre with blind acceptance to TDs and yard statistics has never played football and a relatively high level... i dont know anyone in coaching circles who doesnt see a lot of these "leadership" problems inherent to this situation.

ya driver wants favre around ... he's his old buddy and he's really fun.

but really fun and getting lifted up after a touchdown and locker room practical jokes is a far cry from playing within the boundaries of an offense. something favre has barely been able to do in his most well-behaved moments ... which, given a lot of these comments, i honestly just dont trust the mf'er right now.

i almost think if he got into a sideline argument with MM, that he'd just say fuck it and throw it up ... he's gotta that big baby, my ball and going home attitude right now.

[prsnfoto]

Players will guard their words carefully and not come out and say that they want Favre as the starter. There are too many things thatcan backfire on them. However, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out who has a better change of leading the Packers to a successful 2008 and the veteran players know this. Too bad Ted is a rocket scientist....just ask him, he won't deny it...

No you don't. WE don't know becuase Rodgers hasn' been given a chance yet. And judging by previous camps over the last 10-15 years, Rodgers has a very good chance to beat out Favre as Favre hasn't had a good camp since 1997. IF there had been a true camp competition Matt Hasselback would be our starting QB right now. Only Favre jock sniffers would assume what you do. Of course, the first three letters describe you perfectly.

I would like to know why this poster is allowed to constantly personally attack other posters and when I one time the other night threatened to kick his ass my post was deleted,(because it was a personal attack) he calls everyone that disagrees with him a jocksniffer or some other homosexual term(most likely because he is one and I don't have a problem with that) the guy is a bigger douche than Tank and has no knowledge of football whatsoever, You hate Brett Favre we get it go crawl back on top of your sister and wait to post til ya got something constuctive to say.

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IF there had been a true camp competition Matt Hasselback would be our starting QB right now.

Which is why you thankfully aren't involved in the decision making for the Packers.

I think it's also largely an indication that throughout his career "preseason performance" has never exactly been #4's forte.

In 2005 he was 26/45 for 250 yards 3 TDs and 2 INTs.
In 2006 he was 34/58 for 451 yards 3 TDs and 1 INT.
In 2007 he was 31/49 for 293 yards 2 TDs and 0 INT.

Nothing against Brett, but he hasn't exactly been setting the world on fire in preseason in recent memory. When you put up a completion percentage better than 60% once in three years of preseason play, that's not exactly something you brag about.

(For comparison in 2007 preseason play Aaron Rodgers was 37/59 for 382 yards 3 TDs and 0 INTs, so he wasn't exactly greatly outplayed by Favre.)

You fail to recognize that Favre would play against legit defenses, and A-Rod/Hass would play against scrubs.

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"We Want Brett" - Chuck Woodson

He's screwing around with the media. Jesus Christ, P, become a politician or something. You're great at taking words completely out of context.

He still said it. I'm sure there is truth behind it. You act as if he didn't do it intentionally, full well knowing he probably got scoulded by MM for disrespecting for tarnishing the golden boys confidence.

I'm sure he has been whipped by Mike for saying that. But these guys look at the media circus and just laugh at the ridiculousness of it. They look at these guys, pleading for something, anything, to write in the paper. And I'm sure guys like Chuck figure "eh, what the hell, why not have some fun?"

I'm sure there are vets that would like Favre back. I'm sure there are vets that are tired of Favre's shadow and would like a new start. I'm sure there are youngins that want to roll with A-Rod. I'm sure there are youngins that want Brett.

However, I can say with confidence that this team has no problem with Aaron as their QB.

We'll see how they feel if we start 1-3, a very good possibility with the competition (Dallas, Minnesota against a new QB in his first game), on the road in the Dome in Detroit, then at Tampa in the heat.

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IF there had been a true camp competition Matt Hasselback would be our starting QB right now.

Which is why you thankfully aren't involved in the decision making for the Packers.

I think it's also largely an indication that throughout his career "preseason performance" has never exactly been #4's forte.

In 2005 he was 26/45 for 250 yards 3 TDs and 2 INTs.
In 2006 he was 34/58 for 451 yards 3 TDs and 1 INT.
In 2007 he was 31/49 for 293 yards 2 TDs and 0 INT.

Nothing against Brett, but he hasn't exactly been setting the world on fire in preseason in recent memory. When you put up a completion percentage better than 60% once in three years of preseason play, that's not exactly something you brag about.

(For comparison in 2007 preseason play Aaron Rodgers was 37/59 for 382 yards 3 TDs and 0 INTs, so he wasn't exactly greatly outplayed by Favre.)

You fail to recognize that Favre would play against legit defenses, and A-Rod/Hass would play against scrubs.

Who is Rodgers playing *with* against these scrubs?

[The Leaper]

do you really want his stats?

Sure...post them. Also post the circumstances of the games...such as having several injured starters out of the game, no support from the running game, etc, etc.

Favre's postseason stats are weighed down by two games...the STL debacle, where the Rams were by far the better team and Green Bay was outclassed...and the ATL game where half our starting offense was either out with injury or less than 100%.

I EXPECT HIM TO PLAY CLOSER TO MISTAKE FREE FOOTBALL AT A MORE CONSISTENT BASIS (BRETTS CAREER LONG DOWNFALL)[/b]

Mistake free football? From an inexperienced first time starter? Whatever.

Manning did what he did because guys made incredible catches...that Favre really didn't get. He got Martin dropping a makeable catch in the 4th quarter against the Giants in a crucial situation.

Manning did what he did because his defense was getting incredible pressure on opposing QBs and the entire defense played very well. Against the Giants, the Packer defense looked very ordinary.

Manning did what he did because he had a running game that worked. Against the Giants, Ryan Grant had 13 carries for 29 yards. That isn't much of a help.

If you want to sit here and suggest that all the wrongs of the Packers in the postseason are on Favre, fine.

You are wrong though.

Favre did not have a great game against the Giants, but he kept Green Bay in the game with 2 TD passes when most other QBs would have faltered in those conditions without any support from a running game.

Favre was the main reason the team got to where it did last season. He carried the team in the first half of the year without any kind of running game, and put up a season that was arguably as good as any he ever had.

Criticizing that and questioning Favre's leadership makes you look foolish IMO.

[Chevelle2]

IF there had been a true camp competition Matt Hasselback would be our starting QB right now.

Which is why you thankfully aren't involved in the decision making for the Packers.

I think it's also largely an indication that throughout his career "preseason performance" has never exactly been #4's forte.

In 2005 he was 26/45 for 250 yards 3 TDs and 2 INTs.
In 2006 he was 34/58 for 451 yards 3 TDs and 1 INT.
In 2007 he was 31/49 for 293 yards 2 TDs and 0 INT.

Nothing against Brett, but he hasn't exactly been setting the world on fire in preseason in recent memory. When you put up a completion percentage better than 60% once in three years of preseason play, that's not exactly something you brag about.

(For comparison in 2007 preseason play Aaron Rodgers was 37/59 for 382 yards 3 TDs and 0 INTs, so he wasn't exactly greatly outplayed by Favre.)

You fail to recognize that Favre would play against legit defenses, and A-Rod/Hass would play against scrubs.

You fail to realize Arod plays with the second team offense.

[The Leaper]

Stop comparing preseason performances people.

Favre's stats are meaningless...without a competition, what did he really have to play for?

Rodgers' stats are also mostly meaningless...he was playing with a lot of guys who weren't NFL caliber.

Neither played against defenses that were tuned and tweaked to stop their gameplan or specific talents.

[BallHawk]

Trying to take meaning out of the preseason is like trying to take meaning out of a pitcher's performance in spring training. Meaningless.

[cpk1994]

IF there had been a true camp competition Matt Hasselback would be our starting QB right now.

Which is why you thankfully aren't involved in the decision making for the Packers.

I don't think Matt Hasselbeck would be a bad option. But it is fact that Matt outplyed Favre in preseason for several straight seasons and Favre hasn't had a good camp in over 10 years. All im pointing out is that you can't(as you continue to do as you sniff Favre's jock ans kiss his ass) automatically conclude that Brett would win the competition with ARod hands down. Not my fault you are butt hurt by the facts.

[The Leaper]

But it is fact that Matt outplyed Favre in preseason for several straight seasons and Favre hasn't had a good camp in over 10 years.

The fact is that Favre had no reason to play well in 10 straight camps. All he had to do was stay healthy, because everyone knew what he could do once the lights came on for real.

[cpk1994]

IF there had been a true camp competition Matt Hasselback would be our starting QB right now.

Which is why you thankfully aren't involved in the decision making for the Packers.

I think it's also largely an indication that throughout his career "preseason performance" has never exactly been #4's forte.

In 2005 he was 26/45 for 250 yards 3 TDs and 2 INTs.
In 2006 he was 34/58 for 451 yards 3 TDs and 1 INT.
In 2007 he was 31/49 for 293 yards 2 TDs and 0 INT.

Nothing against Brett, but he hasn't exactly been setting the world on fire in preseason in recent memory. When you put up a completion percentage better than 60% once in three years of preseason play, that's not exactly something you brag about.

(For comparison in 2007 preseason play Aaron Rodgers was 37/59 for 382 yards 3 TDs and 0 INTs, so he wasn't exactly greatly outplayed by Favre.)

You fail to recognize that Favre would play against legit defenses, and A-Rod/Hass would play against scrubs.

Legit defenses that were bacically phoning it in over scrubs who are trying to make the team.

[cpk1994]

Stop comparing preseason performances people.

Favre's stats are meaningless...without a competition, what did he really have to play for?

Rodgers' stats are also mostly meaningless...he was playing with a lot of guys who weren't NFL caliber.

Neither played against defenses that were tuned and tweaked to stop their gameplan or specific talents.

Here come the excuses. I bet if Favre's numbers were greatly superior to Rodgers I wouldn't hear the same thing out of your mouth. Only what fits your agenda.

[mmmdk]

But it is fact that Matt outplyed Favre in preseason for several straight seasons and Favre hasn't had a good camp in over 10 years.

The fact is that Favre had no reason to play well in 10 straight camps. All he had to do was stay healthy, because everyone knew what he could do once the lights came on for real.

Favre has numerous times, not resently though, said that he'd love to "just" play on sundays. Won't happen with McCarthy as our HC; He'd start Flynn over an unprepared Favre.