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**BallHawk** · 07-30-2008, 01:27 PM

Well said, Harv. Agree 100%.

**ND72** · 07-30-2008, 01:28 PM

couldn't have said it any better.

**Spaulding** · 07-30-2008, 01:34 PM

Nice post Harv. I'd buy you a Newcastle if I could since you phrased it far better than I ever could.

One thing to add, I trust the judgement of a man that eats/sleeps/shits football almost 24x7 365 days a year even over a first ballot HOF QB who has quite possibly (IMO even over Reggie and Wolf, etc.) been the single most reason the Packers have been competitive since 1993.

**PackerTimer** · 07-30-2008, 01:36 PM

I completely agree with this.

**The Leaper** · 07-30-2008, 01:37 PM

I also trust Thompson with the future of the organization more than Favre...I realize Rodgers is our QB now, and I'm fine with that even though I recognize 2008 will be an "adjustment" year for the kid.

**RashanGary** · 07-30-2008, 01:40 PM

Great Post!!

**Chevelle2** · 07-30-2008, 01:41 PM

Fantastic.

**cpk1994** · 07-30-2008, 01:41 PM

I agree.

**boiga** · 07-30-2008, 01:47 PM

I suppose I'm on this bandwagon as well...

**pacfan** · 07-30-2008, 01:55 PM

Re: Trust

Good post as always, Harv.

I don't trust either side. On one side we have a star player who has had his way for many years. He's been well taken care of.

On the other side we have a polished organization that is working hard to show the entire world that one player can't dictate terms to the "company", organization whatever. They are professionals, organized and on-message. They would be incredibly stupid to get into a spitting match with anybody let alone a star HOF QB.

Favre was a good soldier for many years, never really bitched about his work conditions. He suffered through Rhodes, Sherman, the weak OC's, and lack of obvious talent. He called out Sharpe and Walker when they did their grandstanding. He showed up for work every day, he sacrificed some things that other people would not have; the Oakland game, busted fingers,

Thompson is doing what he should do, be consistent and show that one player can’t hold a team hostage. But I'm not sure I take his words at face value. The Packers said Favre could compete, then they say he can't. He is welcome to camp, then he isn't. They moved on and yet can’t trade Favre. They won’t release him which literally has been the only consistent message coming Thompson & Co.. I think the ESPN article by Christl about Harlan having some calming effects when he was in charge might have some merit. The Packer leadership is definitely behind the ball, the team CEO traveling to a players home to say what exactly?

To anoint an unproven player as the starting QB despite never starting a game? It’s the coach’s call obviously-but not having a QB with any starting experience on the roster makes me think this was a “rushed” decision to tell Favre not to return. No security at the position in case Rodgers is injured.

For me the real question is, which will never be answered truthfully, was Favre forced to make a decision?

I wonder if Favre’s consecutive starts streak might have pissed McCarthy off?

The only thing I know for sure is that this situation is fucked up. Favre has the upper hand because he wants to play and Minnesota wants him to play for them.

Murphy/Thompson/McCarthy team obviously is tired of the special status Favre had with the team and won’t stand for it anymore. They just lack the ability to affect a clean resolution.

Release Favre and move on, we’ll survive.

**cpk1994** · 07-30-2008, 01:58 PM

Re: Trust

Originally posted by pacfan

Good post as always, Harv.

I don't trust either side. On one side we have a star player who has had his way for many years. He's been well taken care of.

On the other side we have a polished organization that is working hard to show the entire world that one player can't dictate terms to the "company", organization whatever. They are professionals, organized and on-message. They would be incredibly stupid to get into a spitting match with anybody let alone a star HOF QB.

Favre was a good soldier for many years, never really bitched about his work conditions. He suffered through Rhodes, Sherman, the weak OC's, and lack of obvious talent. He called out Sharpe and Walker when they did their grandstanding. He showed up for work every day, he sacrificed some things that other people would not have; the Oakland game, busted fingers,

Thompson is doing what he should do, be consistent and show that one player can’t hold a team hostage. But I'm not sure I take his words at face value. The Packers said Favre could compete, then they say he can't. He is welcome to camp, then he isn't. They moved on and yet can’t trade Favre. They won’t release him which literally has been the only consistent message coming Thompson & Co.. I think the ESPN article by Christl about Harlan having some calming effects when he was in charge might have some merit. The Packer leadership is definitely behind the ball, the team CEO traveling to a players home to say what exactly?

To anoint an unproven player as the starting QB despite never starting a game? It’s the coach’s call obviously-but not having a QB with any starting experience on the roster makes me think this was a “rushed” decision to tell Favre not to return. No security at the position in case Rodgers is injured.

For me the real question is, which will never be answered truthfully, was Favre forced to make a decision?

I wonder if Favre’s consecutive starts streak might have pissed McCarthy off?

The only thing I know for sure is that this situation is fucked up. Favre has the upper hand because he wants to play and Minnesota wants him to play for them.

Murphy/Thompson/McCarthy team obviously is tired of the special status Favre had with the team and won’t stand for it anymore. They just lack the ability to affect a clean resolution.

Release Favre and move on, we’ll survive.

I wouldn't asy he suffered through Sherman as he got what ever he wanted then and that is part of the reason that Brett has become what he has become.

**Harlan Huckleby** · 07-30-2008, 02:04 PM

Re: Trust

Originally posted by pacfan

Favre has the upper hand because he wants to play and Minnesota wants him to play for them.

Please explain how this gives Favre the upper hand, or helps his bargaining position in any way.

Originally posted by pacfan

Release Favre and move on, we’ll survive.

Why throw away an asset and possibly strengthen a division rival? Not going to happen.

If Favre will not accept the #2 job, which seems all but certain, the packers will just let him sit at home until a trade can be arranged. If not now, then into the season when an injury occurs.

**Spaulding** · 07-30-2008, 02:08 PM

Re: Trust

Originally posted by pacfan

Good post as always, Harv.

I don't trust either side. On one side we have a star player who has had his way for many years. He's been well taken care of.

On the other side we have a polished organization that is working hard to show the entire world that one player can't dictate terms to the "company", organization whatever. They are professionals, organized and on-message. They would be incredibly stupid to get into a spitting match with anybody let alone a star HOF QB.

Favre was a good soldier for many years, never really bitched about his work conditions. He suffered through Rhodes, Sherman, the weak OC's, and lack of obvious talent. He called out Sharpe and Walker when they did their grandstanding. He showed up for work every day, he sacrificed some things that other people would not have; the Oakland game, busted fingers,

Thompson is doing what he should do, be consistent and show that one player can’t hold a team hostage. But I'm not sure I take his words at face value. The Packers said Favre could compete, then they say he can't. He is welcome to camp, then he isn't. They moved on and yet can’t trade Favre. They won’t release him which literally has been the only consistent message coming Thompson & Co.. I think the ESPN article by Christl about Harlan having some calming effects when he was in charge might have some merit. The Packer leadership is definitely behind the ball, the team CEO traveling to a players home to say what exactly?

To anoint an unproven player as the starting QB despite never starting a game? It’s the coach’s call obviously-but not having a QB with any starting experience on the roster makes me think this was a “rushed” decision to tell Favre not to return. No security at the position in case Rodgers is injured.

For me the real question is, which will never be answered truthfully, was Favre forced to make a decision?

I wonder if Favre’s consecutive starts streak might have pissed McCarthy off?

The only thing I know for sure is that this situation is fucked up. Favre has the upper hand because he wants to play and Minnesota wants him to play for them.

Murphy/Thompson/McCarthy team obviously is tired of the special status Favre had with the team and won’t stand for it anymore. They just lack the ability to affect a clean resolution.

Release Favre and move on, we’ll survive.

If it ends up being absolute that Favre doesn't come back to the Packers as the #2 (whether he wants to or not) which is what it's looking like, I'd much rather the organization trade him for even a conditional late round pick. To be able to prevent him from going to a divisional rival is worth pretty much anything at this point. It no longer becomes trade value but more so ability to direct his placement.

**packinpatland** · 07-30-2008, 02:17 PM

Re: Trust

Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers

This has been a tough situation for everyone. I think a lot of fans are like me. A Packer fan #1, but a long-time ardent Favre supporter. I won't diminish what Favre has done. Sure, our playoff success hasn't been great the last 10 years, but there were often mitigating circumstances for our failures. (The NFC championship game last year was the first time I questioned whether Favre could get the job done.)

This whole issue comes down to one thing for me. Trust. Who do I trust more, Ted Thompson or Brett Favre? I've come to the conclusion that it's Thompson.

Do I trust the guy who has publicly thrown his GM, head coach, OL coach under the bus OR do I trust the guy who has had nothing but good things to say about Favre publicly?

Do I trust the guy whose cronies (agent, brothers, etc.) lambast the organization every chance they get (Moss deal, Packers are doing what they can to drive Favre away, etc.) OR do I trust the organization that has said nothing bad publicly about Favre (other than to say that he waffled and they've moved on)?

Do I trust the guy who gave a charade of an interview on national TV (fielding softball questions from Greta and saying bitter things about the organization) OR do I trust the guy who has stood up in press conferences and took the grilling from any media member that wanted to show?

Do I trust the guy with a star QBs ego (which isn't necessarily a bad thing) or the guy who seems to have a pretty small ego for a NFL GM? Favre has been coddled for the better part of 15 years--mostly because of his talent. Thompson is a guy who stayed in the NFL for 10 years because of his character and work ethic.

Do I trust the guy that has said some things that I find extremely hard to believe, and who seems to have let his emotions control how interprets specific conversations?

When I think about these things, it's clear that I trust Ted Thompson more than Brett Favre.

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