Trust

[pacfan]

Re: Trust

Favre has the upper hand because he wants to play and Minnesota wants him to play for them.

Please explain how this gives Favre the upper hand, or helps his bargaining position in any way.

Release Favre and move on, we’ll survive.

Why throw away an asset and possibly strengthen a division rival? Not going to happen.

If Favre will not accept the #2 job, which seems all but certain, the packers will just let him sit at home until a trade can be arranged. If not now, then into the season when an injury occurs.

Favre supposedly rejected overtures by the Bucs and Jets. No team will "give" the Pack a draft choice for a guy who won't play for them.

I don't want Farve in Minnesota for many reasons but with him filing his reinstatement papers with the NFL the Pack either has to either put him on the roster or get rid of him. He is a an asset (read: ass) but the trade or release is probably the Packs only option and trade is extremely limited.

[GBRulz]

Do I trust the guy who dodges answering questions better than a politician or do I trust the man whose brutal honesty is often what gets him into trouble?

With that being said, I don't think either side is being fully honest and both sides are to blame.

[Freak Out]

I'm not buying a car from either one of them so trust really is not a factor. If the Packers have moved on and don't want him then release him. This has become complete BS...if M3 and TT are so confident in our roster/progress then let him go.

[ND72]

I'm not buying a car from either one of them so trust really is not a factor. If the Packers have moved on and don't want him then release him. This has become complete BS...if M3 and TT are so confident in our roster/progress then let him go.

Yeah..that'd be smart. How about we open the doors to the locker room at Lambeau and let people just walk in? Here you go Minnesota, kick our ass twice this year, OH, and we get nothing for it except the sore arse. in the words of Guiness....BRILLIANT

[Partial]

I'm not buying a car from either one of them so trust really is not a factor. If the Packers have moved on and don't want him then release him. This has become complete BS...if M3 and TT are so confident in our roster/progress then let him go.

Yeah..that'd be smart. How about we open the doors to the locker room at Lambeau and let people just walk in? Here you go Minnesota, kick our ass twice this year, OH, and we get nothing for it except the sore arse. in the words of Guiness....BRILLIANT

Why would Minnesota beat us if Favre isn't good enough to play on our team?

[HarveyWallbangers]

Do I trust the guy who dodges answering questions better than a politician or do I trust the man whose brutal honesty is often what gets him into trouble?

With that being said, I don't think either side is being fully honest and both sides are to blame.

No GM is going to be brutally honest when it comes to personnel decisions in front of the media. They wouldn't last long if they did. I believe Favre believes what he says is true. I don't trust his cronies and I don't trust his own recollection of events. Seems to me his ego is bruised. He's too emotionally attached--which is understandble. It's like an argument with a loved one. You're so emotional attached that you say things you don't mean to defend yourself and sometimes you're so flustered that you don't recollect things as well as you normally might.

[ND72]

I'm not buying a car from either one of them so trust really is not a factor. If the Packers have moved on and don't want him then release him. This has become complete BS...if M3 and TT are so confident in our roster/progress then let him go.

Yeah..that'd be smart. How about we open the doors to the locker room at Lambeau and let people just walk in? Here you go Minnesota, kick our ass twice this year, OH, and we get nothing for it except the sore arse. in the words of Guiness....BRILLIANT

Why would Minnesota beat us if Favre isn't good enough to play on our team?

Never said that, or anyone else. But lets be serious. With Favre on our team this year we'll have to battle to win those games vs. Minnesota.

[Partial]

I'm not buying a car from either one of them so trust really is not a factor. If the Packers have moved on and don't want him then release him. This has become complete BS...if M3 and TT are so confident in our roster/progress then let him go.

Yeah..that'd be smart. How about we open the doors to the locker room at Lambeau and let people just walk in? Here you go Minnesota, kick our ass twice this year, OH, and we get nothing for it except the sore arse. in the words of Guiness....BRILLIANT

Why would Minnesota beat us if Favre isn't good enough to play on our team?

Never said that, or anyone else. But lets be serious. With Favre on our team this year we'll have to battle to win those games vs. Minnesota.

Well, my suggestion is if they are that concerned about it, he is obviously a quality player that should start. Note no one has mentioned being scared of playing the Vikes with Rodgers

[Spaulding]

I'm not buying a car from either one of them so trust really is not a factor. If the Packers have moved on and don't want him then release him. This has become complete BS...if M3 and TT are so confident in our roster/progress then let him go.

Yeah..that'd be smart. How about we open the doors to the locker room at Lambeau and let people just walk in? Here you go Minnesota, kick our ass twice this year, OH, and we get nothing for it except the sore arse. in the words of Guiness....BRILLIANT

Why would Minnesota beat us if Favre isn't good enough to play on our team?

Never said that, or anyone else. But lets be serious. With Favre on our team this year we'll have to battle to win those games vs. Minnesota.

Hmm, who played QB in the M3 system the past two years and also scrimmaged the defense day in and out. Regardless of any new wrinkles they throw in this year, it's like locking your car door and then giving the keys to your arch enemy.

Think you'll have a car left regardless of how good the arch enemy is at driving?

[PackerTimer]

Not giving him up to the Vikings isn't about who is better Rodgers or Favre. It's about giving up a player who would improve the Vikings team. I'm sure the Packers would not be willing to give up AROD to the Vikings either. It has nothing to do with him being better than Rodgers, it's because he's a significant upgrade over what the Vikings have.

[ND72]

Partial...Do you think the Red Sox would trade Manny to the Yankees?

[cpk1994]

Not giving him up to the Vikings isn't about who is better Rodgers or Favre. It's about giving up a player who would improve the Vikings team. I'm sure the Packers would not be willing to give up AROD to the Vikings either. It has nothing to do with him being better than Rodgers, it's because he's a significant upgrade over what the Vikings have.

Ding ding ding. We have a winner.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Maybe trust is the wrong word. Maybe I should say that Thompson garners more sympathy from me. The things I believe:

1) Favre has talked about retirement for years. No problem.
2) Favre is bitter with Thompson for not listening to him on personnel moves. Favre felt like he was not being listened to by Thompson. Why should he be? He's a player. He's not the GM. Not a big problem--until he started criticizing him publicly.
3) Thompson's philosophy of building through the draft and developing those young guys made Favre feel like he was being pushed out the door.
4) The Packers pressured him into making a decision before the draft. No problem.
5) Favre felt pressured to make a decision (maybe not in early March, but before the draft). He chose to retire. No problem.
6) Favre contacted the Packers about coming back in late March. No problem.
7) The Packers agreed to let him come back and he waffled. This is where it became a problem.
8) The Packers moved on once the draft came around and once they started offseason workouts. That's their right. They had to. Not just for this year, but for the future of the franchise.
9) Favre stated he was almost 100% committed in late June.
10) The Packers told him they had moved on. They told him that he'd have to be a backup if he wanted to come back. Favre was shocked and his ego was bruised. Favre felt unwanted. This is where it went downhill. Maybe the hurt drove him to be an asshat.

Nowhere in here do I think the Packers organization (Thompson) did anything terrible wrong. It's all about how Favre feels. What about how Thompson or Rodgers feels? Of course, nobody cares. They aren't Favre. Personally, I just don't have a lot of sympathy for Brett. Most of these things were his own doing.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Do I trust the guy who dodges answering questions better than a politician or do I trust the man whose brutal honesty is often what gets him into trouble?

Favre has not been brutally honest, just brutal. Well, he has been open, but that's not the same as honest.

I guess I am still pissed about his taking TT's joke about getting fired and twisting into something completely different. that was dishonest.

[mmmdk]

Brilliant Harv, buddy brilliant post