Trade to Vikings or Bears possible

[Bossman641]

Highlight for me again what mistakes have been made?

The way I see it, Management has looked at this from Day I from a business perspective, excludng emotions and sentiments, which is exactly what they need to be doing.

Like I've said a few times, none of us, nobody, will ever know the complete facts and truth in what mistakes have been made.....but I would bet my last dollar that both sides have made mistakes and have not been completely honest with the public.

I hope in the end they are ok with their conscious....in the end, that's all that matters.

I don't understand this line of thinking from Favre supporters at all. "There's gotta be something else, something big happened that we just haven't heard about." That's what you're using as the basis for support of Favre's asshole behavior? That there is some side to the story we just haven't heard yet? If there is anything we haven't heard, I believe it would be more damaging to Favre than the organization.

If Favre had some big bombshell that would really make TT look bad and would give him more public support, don't you think he would have used it already? Maybe you think Favre would be above that. Two months ago I would have agreed with you, now it's pretty clear that Favre will do anything possible to get what he wants. It's not like he has been holding back on anything. He's already had his family spread flat out lies, has criticized the organization in a powderpuff interview and still hasn't taken any real questions, has twisted words, and his side has been leaking private conversations approximately .001 seconds after they end.

[HowardRoark]

Seriously, I think the Pack should go ahead and trade Favre to the Bears or viqueens for at least a 3rd round pick and be done with it. Arod will do fine.

I agree.

1. Favre is a distraction. Period. Wherevever he is. He will be a huge distraction in Chicago or Minnesota. We could actually be temporarily hurting one of these teams by moving the circus up or down the road. They, especially a town like Minneapolis/St. Paul, will not know what hit them.

2. By opening up the bidding to every team, the cost for him will start moving up. Actual competition for his services, will equate to much higher compensation.

3. The guy is not going to play much longer anyway. Let the MN fans deal with the constant questioning about whether or not he will play next season.

4. Start mending all these burned bridges. #4 will be in the ring in the stadium. There is a good chance a statue of Favre will be put up next to Lombardi and Lambeau.....so start the process now.

5. Tell Goddell to somehow compensate the Pack for being the good soldier. Can you imagine the woody he will get in anticipation of a Pack/Viking game in early September with Favre on the other team?

6. Beat the Vikings w/Favre. Priceless.

[cpk1994]

I don't think Favre owes us; he would like to stay in GB so if he's rebuffed it's hard for me to blame him for trying to push a hand to send him somewhere he wants to go.

What do you think is a reasonable number of teams for him to offer to the Packers as trade options?
I would say 10, maybe 8. Because most will be duds - no interest.

What you are describing is an essentially uncompromising position on his part. He wants to go where he wants to go and that's that. OK, well the Packers should fight back with everything they have, and they may get to the point of not caring about any residual hard feelings.

Exactly, by the end of TC, TT could feel as he taken enough heat already to the point that the heat he would get for keeping Brett as a backup would be tolerable.

[AV David]

" ... and they may get to the point of not caring about any residual hard feelings."


AMEN

[mraynrand]

why should the world revolve around accomodating Favre's wants?

This is the the most significant question I've seen raised in over 400 pages of threads on the Favre subject.

Of course, Favre has earned a spot in Canton and in the cellar of the Lambeau Atrium. No question. No question he'll get those honours.

He also got paid handsomely for his 16 years as a Packer. Plus, if the 20 million offer is credible, that was to be paid over 10 years, most likely for representing the Packers.

Favre has gotten and will continue to receive his due. He is owed NOTHING by the Packers.

OK, but then Favre owes nothing to the Packers. The reality of the situation is that the Packers will not let Favre come back and even compete to be the starter. Rodgers is the starter. They WILL NOT trade Favre to any of the teams he wants. Favre is coming back to have a chance to win it all. The Packers are playing extreme hardball - essentially trying to force Favre to stay retired. That's their right. But given the team's position, and their huge advantage in negotiating strength, why shouldn't Favre do what he can to get what he wants? He clearly doesn't have an angle with $$$$. So what's left to him? He can only push any personal favor angle or be an asshat. His only other option is the play for some shitty team, a team he doesn't want to play for, or crawl back home and not play. The phrase 'prima donna' doesn't apply to Favre - nor to the Packers. They are management and employee with vastly different goals and a binding contract between them. Each is doing what they have to to get what they want.

[mmmdk]

Of course, Favre has earned a spot in Canton and in the cellar of the Lambeau Atrium. No question. No question he'll get those honours.

...I hear there's a dungeon beneath the Atrium; will Favre join TJ Rubley's horror cabinet and other Packer outcasts? Stay tuned

[cpk1994]

why should the world revolve around accomodating Favre's wants?

This is the the most significant question I've seen raised in over 400 pages of threads on the Favre subject.

Of course, Favre has earned a spot in Canton and in the cellar of the Lambeau Atrium. No question. No question he'll get those honours.

He also got paid handsomely for his 16 years as a Packer. Plus, if the 20 million offer is credible, that was to be paid over 10 years, most likely for representing the Packers.

Favre has gotten and will continue to receive his due. He is owed NOTHING by the Packers.

OK, but then Favre owes nothing to the Packers. The reality of the situation is that the Packers will not let Favre come back and even compete to be the starter. Rodgers is the starter. They WILL NOT trade Favre to any of the teams he wants. Favre is coming back to have a chance to win it all. The Packers are playing extreme hardball - essentially trying to force Favre to stay retired. That's their right. But given the team's position, and their huge advantage in negotiating strength, why shouldn't Favre do what he can to get what he wants? He clearly doesn't have an angle with $$$$. So what's left to him? He can only push any personal favor angle or be an asshat. His only other option is the play for some shitty team, a team he doesn't want to play for, or crawl back home and not play. The phrase 'prima donna' doesn't apply to Favre - nor to the Packers. They are management and employee with vastly different goals and a binding contract between them. Each is doing what they have to to get what they want.

Again you have no evidence that the Packers won't let him compete other than from Favre himself, who has also on recdord as refusing to compete an has been a habitual liar over the last two months. Presenting that as fact is irresponsible and rediculous.

[Chevelle2]

Im going to the first MNF game.....do I boo or cheer Brett if he comes out of the tunnel in purple?

[mraynrand]

Again you have no evidence that the Packers won't let him compete other than from Favre himself, who has also on recdord as refusing to compete an has been a habitual liar over the last two months. Presenting that as fact is irresponsible and rediculous.

That's right. I have no evidence. I'm guessing, based on reports from various media. I think I will be proven right about this. It seems obvious to me that the Packers DO NOT want Favre back, which would be a precondition for allowing him to compete for the starting job. Favre helped ensure this himself, by calling Thompson a liar on national cable TV. McCarthy can say he wants Favre back until the Cows come home - sounds great, but it's meaningless - McCarthy is not responsible for Favre's spot on the roster.

[Badgerinmaine]

Im going to the first MNF game.....do I boo or cheer Brett if he comes out of the tunnel in purple?

Applaud politely out of respect for what he accomplished in Green Bay, but you don't need to stand up and cheer.

Look, this may be a minority position here, but I say, if the best deal the Packers can get is to trade Favre to Minnesota or (shudder) Chicago, I say, bite the bullet and do it. It took me a while to come to this position, because of the concerns of potentially strengthening division rivals. But if you think the Packers have a chance to make a Super Bowl run, EVERY NFL team is a potential obstacle, especially the other teams in the NFC. Also, more maliciously, if he plays against the Cowboys and keeps them out of the playoffs, I consider that a net gain for society

[Chevelle2]

Im going to the first MNF game.....do I boo or cheer Brett if he comes out of the tunnel in purple?

Applaud politely out of respect for what he accomplished in Green Bay, but you don't need to stand up and cheer.

Look, this may be a minority position here, but I say, if the best deal the Packers can get is to trade Favre to Minnesota or (shudder) Chicago, I say, bite the bullet and do it. It took me a while to come to this position, because of the concerns of potentially strengthening division rivals. But if you think the Packers have a chance to make a Super Bowl run, EVERY NFL team is a potential obstacle, especially the other teams in the NFC. Also, more maliciously, if he plays against the Cowboys and keeps them out of the playoffs, I consider that a net gain for society

Yeah after thinking about it, I will cheer - probably standing ovation....Ive come to the point where I don't care were he goes, MN, CHI, I dont care.

[mraynrand]

Look, this may be a minority position here, but I say, if the best deal the Packers can get is to trade Favre to Minnesota or (shudder) Chicago, I say, bite the bullet and do it.

I say FUCK FAVRE. I'm with the leadership on this one. We're talking 100 years of rivalry. Favre is still plenty good. Pictures of Favre sticking it to the Packers in a Viking or Bears uni will exist FOREVER - FOR THE REST OF MY MISERABLE FUCKING LIFE. Don't give in Packer Brass - DON'T GIVE IN!!!!

[Fritz]

Seriously, I think the Pack should go ahead and trade Favre to the Bears or viqueens for at least a 3rd round pick and be done with it. Arod will do fine.

I agree.

1. Favre is a distraction. Period. Wherevever he is. He will be a huge distraction in Chicago or Minnesota. We could actually be temporarily hurting one of these teams by moving the circus up or down the road. They, especially a town like Minneapolis/St. Paul, will not know what hit them.

2. By opening up the bidding to every team, the cost for him will start moving up. Actual competition for his services, will equate to much higher compensation.

3. The guy is not going to play much longer anyway. Let the MN fans deal with the constant questioning about whether or not he will play next season.

4. Start mending all these burned bridges. #4 will be in the ring in the stadium. There is a good chance a statue of Favre will be put up next to Lombardi and Lambeau.....so start the process now.

5. Tell Goddell to somehow compensate the Pack for being the good soldier. Can you imagine the woody he will get in anticipation of a Pack/Viking game in early September with Favre on the other team?

6. Beat the Vikings w/Favre. Priceless.

I absolutely agree with the above posts. In addition, as I have mentioned elsewhere, Favre has stressed the importance of offseason workouts with a trainer, and also likes to be comfortable in the system he's running and with the receivers he's working with. None of that will be happening if he goes to Minnesota. Who's he going to make his favorite guy? Robert Ferguson? I just don't think Favre will be the guy he was in past years. So ship him to Minny and give him his wish.

Okay, 007, Bretsky, and the Favre-defendeers: Favre's first wish was to play for his beloved Packers in a year they were ready to contend for a ring. Well, guess what. He had that chance. He had that chance in January, in February, in March and even in April. Favre has not denied that TT and MM were ready to fly down to Mississippi to finalize the details of his return to the Pack (wasn't that in April? I think it was). But what did Favre do? He re-retired.

You make it seem as if Favre had no time to decide and no leeway to change his mind. But the guy had three and a half months to make up his mind, and even the chance as late as April to change his mind and come back. He didn't take it. HE SAID NO.

So I just can't feel any sympathy whatsoever for him. I feel bad in that it's been agonizing. But this whole thing about being "pressured" to retire - is Favre a grown up or not? He said in his press conference that there was no pressure to retire - so was that a lie?

I just don't think Favre's got a leg to stand on here. Have the Packers handled it perfectly? Heck no. I think a week or two ago TT went off a little and said some things publicly he ought not to have said. But I think he's come back from the brink and has gone back to saying only benign things. I also think, as I stated above, that the Pack was too quick to shoot down an intra-divisional trade.

So no, TT and the Pack have not been perfect. But they've been a hell of a lot more classy than Favre.

[Chevelle2]

I absolutely agree with the above posts. In addition, as I have mentioned elsewhere, Favre has stressed the importance of offseason workouts with a trainer, and also likes to be comfortable in the system he's running and with the receivers he's working with. None of that will be happening if he goes to Minnesota. Who's he going to make his favorite guy? Robert Ferguson? I just don't think Favre will be the guy he was in past years. So ship him to Minny and give him his wish.

I also think that Bevell and Childress will let him do whatever he wants. Those guys have less of a spine than Sherman.

[Badgerinmaine]

Look, this may be a minority position here, but I say, if the best deal the Packers can get is to trade Favre to Minnesota or (shudder) Chicago, I say, bite the bullet and do it.

I say FUCK FAVRE. I'm with the leadership on this one. We're talking 100 years of rivalry. Favre is still plenty good. Pictures of Favre sticking it to the Packers in a Viking or Bears uni will exist FOREVER - FOR THE REST OF MY MISERABLE FUCKING LIFE. Don't give in Packer Brass - DON'T GIVE IN!!!!

Well, 80+ years with the Bears, and just short of 50 with the Vikings, but I get your point.
Look, I'm plenty tired of the Brett Favre show now, too, but the key consideration if "what's best for the Packers", not sending messages to Favre or whoever, or making an emotional deal. Say they get a first-round draft pick for Favre--that man could be in the league ten years after Favre is retired. Then, we all may be smiling from ear to ear.