Teammates 'moving forward' with Favre

[cpk1994]

So if Favre had not retired... Rodgers would have zero complaint of backing up Favre again? but since Favre did, he now has the right to be bitter?... doesnt make sense... rodgers hasn't done squat in this league to be entitled to anything.. IMO there already shoulda been a competition, Rodgers vs Brohm vs Flynn

He would have zero complaint becuase he would't have management telling him, You are the starter, repeating that time and time again to the press, and then saying at the last minute "Im sorry we lied". They trold Aaron all summer long that he was the guy. If I were Arron I would tell M3 and TT where to stuff it if Favre is stater and I would support him if he did.

[Gunakor]

So if Favre had not retired... Rodgers would have zero complaint of backing up Favre again? but since Favre did, he now has the right to be bitter?... doesnt make sense... rodgers hasn't done squat in this league to be entitled to anything.. IMO there already shoulda been a competition, Rodgers vs Brohm vs Flynn

Of course Rodgers has the right to be bitter. Rodgers was told HE WAS THE GUY this year. If Rodgers isn't the guy, that means that his bosses have went back on thier word. It does not matter why.

Put yourself in his shoes. Your desire to play is far stronger than your emotional bond to Favre. You are not a Favre fan, you are a goddamn QB looking to play. You are told by your head coach and general manager that you would be the starter this year. You work your ass of getting into shape and getting timing down with your offense. You host get togethers at your house with your offense, trying to form close relationships with each of them. You have bought into a concept of TEAM, and you have worked very very hard to become the leader of it.

Then one day, the former starter comes back and says "I was just kidding". All of the work you've put in and all of the things you've done to prepare for your opportuinity are irrelevant now, because that opportunity still isn't coming. Wouldn't you be bitter? I sure as hell would.

[Pacopete4]

So if Favre had not retired... Rodgers would have zero complaint of backing up Favre again? but since Favre did, he now has the right to be bitter?... doesnt make sense... rodgers hasn't done squat in this league to be entitled to anything.. IMO there already shoulda been a competition, Rodgers vs Brohm vs Flynn

He would have zero complaint becuase he would't have management telling him, You are the starter, repeating that time and time again to the press, and then saying at the last minute "Im sorry we lied". They trold Aaron all summer long that he was the guy. If I were Arron I would tell M3 and TT where to stuff it if Favre is stater and I would support him if he did.

If Aaron does that he'd be throwing his future away with any team i think.. he'l never get his payday

[cpk1994]

Re: Teammates 'moving forward' with Favre

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http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080803/PKR01/80803090/1058



“The only person I really worry about is Aaron, and I think he’s handling it real well,” receiver James Jones said. “However they play it out, they play it out. Aaron’s a man. He’ll handle whatever situation. If he’s the starter, he’s going to handle that as the starter. Something comes up where Brett is the starter, then (Rodgers) will handle it that way. He’ll be fine.”

I would think A-Rod's got plenty to be pissed about:

Rodgers’ rookie deal contains extensive incentives based on playing time, and Rodgers already has lost a shot to earn millions of dollars based on the fact that Brett Favre didn’t retire after the 2005 or 2006 seasons. Now that Favre is back, and if Favre wins the starting job and stays healthy, Rodgers will make only $680,000 this year.

If Rodgers is the starter in 2008 and 2009, he’ll make an extra $2.2 million. If he’d gotten the job in 2006 and held it through 2009, Rodgers would have earned $8.25 million in additional pay.

So Rodgers needs to play to get paid. And thus he’ll be screwed if Favre is the starter in 2008.

The best solution for Rodgers would be a trade to a team where he’d be the starter. But since the Packers delayed for several weeks the realization that Favre might be the better option in Green Bay, Rodgers would be seriously behind the curve if he were to land in a new city at some point in the next couple of weeks.

If this plays out the way I'm picturing, Teddy should show his commitment to Rodgers and bump up his pay and extend his contract, especialy since we might lose him before we "get him".

Absolutely agreed. There is no way A-Rod should have to suffer because Favre is indecisive. I do not want to lose Rodgers over this. He's gotta be feeling like his best opportunity to play is somewhere else now, and I wouldn't be suprised if his quest to be traded starts the very moment Favre is named the starter again. After watching last night's scrimmage, how on earth can anybody feel as comfortable with Brohm as or future QB as they do about Rodgers? I'd lose a lot of respect for the Packers front office if they allow MM to name Favre the starter, while not making every possible effort to lock up Rodgers beyond 2009.

Well, if MM names Favre the starter, ARod is going to give TT the giant middle finger and thats good. TT needs to fired over this.

Why? This is all on Favre's shoulders. Thompson asked him to reconsider before announcing his retirement, Favre didn't listen and retired. Now it's Thompson's fault Football Queen Favre wavered and wants to come back? Thompson is much like what Aaron Rodgers will be...when they win, it's all on McCarthy, when they lose, it has to be Thompson's fault. That's bullshit.

You are not quite getting my point. Im saying that if M3 names Favre the starter, its going to cost the team Rodgers and TT should be fired for that. HE should be fired for selling us bullshit all summer. M3 should be fired for selling us that bullshit called "team committment" all summer.

[cpk1994]

So if Favre had not retired... Rodgers would have zero complaint of backing up Favre again? but since Favre did, he now has the right to be bitter?... doesnt make sense... rodgers hasn't done squat in this league to be entitled to anything.. IMO there already shoulda been a competition, Rodgers vs Brohm vs Flynn

He would have zero complaint becuase he would't have management telling him, You are the starter, repeating that time and time again to the press, and then saying at the last minute "Im sorry we lied". They trold Aaron all summer long that he was the guy. If I were Arron I would tell M3 and TT where to stuff it if Favre is stater and I would support him if he did.

If Aaron does that he'd be throwing his future away with any team i think.. he'l never get his payday

WHy not, there are other teams that wuold take him and more than likey stay true to their word.

[Packers4Ever]

Re: Teammates 'moving forward' with Favre

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http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080803/PKR01/80803090/1058



“The only person I really worry about is Aaron, and I think he’s handling it real well,” receiver James Jones said. “However they play it out, they play it out. Aaron’s a man. He’ll handle whatever situation. If he’s the starter, he’s going to handle that as the starter. Something comes up where Brett is the starter, then (Rodgers) will handle it that way. He’ll be fine.”

I would think A-Rod's got plenty to be pissed about:

Rodgers’ rookie deal contains extensive incentives based on playing time, and Rodgers already has lost a shot to earn millions of dollars based on the fact that Brett Favre didn’t retire after the 2005 or 2006 seasons. Now that Favre is back, and if Favre wins the starting job and stays healthy, Rodgers will make only $680,000 this year.

If Rodgers is the starter in 2008 and 2009, he’ll make an extra $2.2 million. If he’d gotten the job in 2006 and held it through 2009, Rodgers would have earned $8.25 million in additional pay.

So Rodgers needs to play to get paid. And thus he’ll be screwed if Favre is the starter in 2008.

The best solution for Rodgers would be a trade to a team where he’d be the starter. But since the Packers delayed for several weeks the realization that Favre might be the better option in Green Bay, Rodgers would be seriously behind the curve if he were to land in a new city at some point in the next couple of weeks.

If this plays out the way I'm picturing, Teddy should show his commitment to Rodgers and bump up his pay and extend his contract, especialy since we might lose him before we "get him".

And that would be the classy thing to do.

[Pacopete4]

Rodgers said until he plays he wont talk extension..

[cpk1994]

So if Favre had not retired... Rodgers would have zero complaint of backing up Favre again? but since Favre did, he now has the right to be bitter?... doesnt make sense... rodgers hasn't done squat in this league to be entitled to anything.. IMO there already shoulda been a competition, Rodgers vs Brohm vs Flynn

Of course Rodgers has the right to be bitter. Rodgers was told HE WAS THE GUY this year. If Rodgers isn't the guy, that means that his bosses have went back on thier word. It does not matter why.

Put yourself in his shoes. Your desire to play is far stronger than your emotional bond to Favre. You are not a Favre fan, you are a goddamn QB looking to play. You are told by your head coach and general manager that you would be the starter this year. You work your ass of getting into shape and getting timing down with your offense. You host get togethers at your house with your offense, trying to form close relationships with each of them. You have bought into a concept of TEAM, and you have worked very very hard to become the leader of it.

Then one day, the former starter comes back and says "I was just kidding". All of the work you've put in and all of the things you've done to prepare for your opportuinity are irrelevant now, because that opportunity still isn't coming. Wouldn't you be bitter? I sure as hell would.

[cpk1994]

Re: Teammates 'moving forward' with Favre

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http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080803/PKR01/80803090/1058



“The only person I really worry about is Aaron, and I think he’s handling it real well,” receiver James Jones said. “However they play it out, they play it out. Aaron’s a man. He’ll handle whatever situation. If he’s the starter, he’s going to handle that as the starter. Something comes up where Brett is the starter, then (Rodgers) will handle it that way. He’ll be fine.”

I would think A-Rod's got plenty to be pissed about:

Rodgers’ rookie deal contains extensive incentives based on playing time, and Rodgers already has lost a shot to earn millions of dollars based on the fact that Brett Favre didn’t retire after the 2005 or 2006 seasons. Now that Favre is back, and if Favre wins the starting job and stays healthy, Rodgers will make only $680,000 this year.

If Rodgers is the starter in 2008 and 2009, he’ll make an extra $2.2 million. If he’d gotten the job in 2006 and held it through 2009, Rodgers would have earned $8.25 million in additional pay.

So Rodgers needs to play to get paid. And thus he’ll be screwed if Favre is the starter in 2008.

The best solution for Rodgers would be a trade to a team where he’d be the starter. But since the Packers delayed for several weeks the realization that Favre might be the better option in Green Bay, Rodgers would be seriously behind the curve if he were to land in a new city at some point in the next couple of weeks.

If this plays out the way I'm picturing, Teddy should show his commitment to Rodgers and bump up his pay and extend his contract, especialy since we might lose him before we "get him".

And that would be the classy thing to do.

And then ARod would politely tell Thompson to fuck off.

[SnakeLH2006]

So if Favre had not retired... Rodgers would have zero complaint of backing up Favre again? but since Favre did, he now has the right to be bitter?... doesnt make sense... rodgers hasn't done squat in this league to be entitled to anything.. IMO there already shoulda been a competition, Rodgers vs Brohm vs Flynn

No doubt....WOW...anyone check out Sportcenter around 12:30 CST today, they did a 15 min. roundtable discussion with Marcellus Wiley and Mike Golic. Wow, did they toast Arod and TT. Here's a summary (don't flame me, it's their comments):

-TT has a massive ego, and they couldn't believe Murphy's comments about having to redo everything (Golic: It was 3 months, damn)
-Packers had a sub 40% winning % in 1972-1991 before Favre, then a 64% clip since 1992 when Favre took over (best in all the NFL)
-Based on talent, not politics, Favre would kill AR in a QB competition as they were saying that it is only phrased as such to appease Arod, but Favre will be the starting QB for sure.
-Both Wiley and Golic as NFL vets said it's sick that it came to this, but is totally a power trip from TT, but regardless as vets they say the players will want Favre to win as they know he's the far superior talent.
-Lots more stuff, maybe they replay it all day as normal, but hellaciously entertaining. I was laughing my ass off.

[Gunakor]

So if Favre had not retired... Rodgers would have zero complaint of backing up Favre again? but since Favre did, he now has the right to be bitter?... doesnt make sense... rodgers hasn't done squat in this league to be entitled to anything.. IMO there already shoulda been a competition, Rodgers vs Brohm vs Flynn

No doubt....WOW...anyone check out Sportcenter around 12:30 CST today, they did a 15 min. roundtable discussion with Marcellus Wiley and Mike Golic. Wow, did they toast Arod and TT. Here's a summary (don't flame me, it's their comments):

-TT has a massive ego, and they couldn't believe Murphy's comments about having to redo everything (Golic: It was 3 months, damn)
-Packers had a sub 40% winning % in 1972-1991 before Favre, then a 64% clip since 1992 when Favre took over (best in all the NFL)
-Based on talent, not politics, Favre would kill AR in a QB competition as they were saying that it is only phrased as such to appease Arod, but Favre will be the starting QB for sure.
-Both Wiley and Golic as NFL vets said it's sick that it came to this, but is totally a power trip from TT, but regardless as vets they say the players will want Favre to win as they know he's the far superior talent.
-Lots more stuff, maybe they replay it all day as normal, but hellaciously entertaining. I was laughing my ass off.

I don't give a flying fuck what players/former players have to say about this. PLAYERS ARE NOT GM'S. They should keep thier fucking mouths shut.

[Pacopete4]

So if Favre had not retired... Rodgers would have zero complaint of backing up Favre again? but since Favre did, he now has the right to be bitter?... doesnt make sense... rodgers hasn't done squat in this league to be entitled to anything.. IMO there already shoulda been a competition, Rodgers vs Brohm vs Flynn

No doubt....WOW...anyone check out Sportcenter around 12:30 CST today, they did a 15 min. roundtable discussion with Marcellus Wiley and Mike Golic. Wow, did they toast Arod and TT. Here's a summary (don't flame me, it's their comments):

-TT has a massive ego, and they couldn't believe Murphy's comments about having to redo everything (Golic: It was 3 months, damn)
-Packers had a sub 40% winning % in 1972-1991 before Favre, then a 64% clip since 1992 when Favre took over (best in all the NFL)
-Based on talent, not politics, Favre would kill AR in a QB competition as they were saying that it is only phrased as such to appease Arod, but Favre will be the starting QB for sure.
-Both Wiley and Golic as NFL vets said it's sick that it came to this, but is totally a power trip from TT, but regardless as vets they say the players will want Favre to win as they know he's the far superior talent.
-Lots more stuff, maybe they replay it all day as normal, but hellaciously entertaining. I was laughing my ass off.

You shouldn't quote 2 guys that have actually played the game and who have actually experience the NFL when there are people here that know way more about the situation and can tell you they know for a fact that Rodgers is better and deserves a chance..........

[Pacopete4]

So if Favre had not retired... Rodgers would have zero complaint of backing up Favre again? but since Favre did, he now has the right to be bitter?... doesnt make sense... rodgers hasn't done squat in this league to be entitled to anything.. IMO there already shoulda been a competition, Rodgers vs Brohm vs Flynn

No doubt....WOW...anyone check out Sportcenter around 12:30 CST today, they did a 15 min. roundtable discussion with Marcellus Wiley and Mike Golic. Wow, did they toast Arod and TT. Here's a summary (don't flame me, it's their comments):

-TT has a massive ego, and they couldn't believe Murphy's comments about having to redo everything (Golic: It was 3 months, damn)
-Packers had a sub 40% winning % in 1972-1991 before Favre, then a 64% clip since 1992 when Favre took over (best in all the NFL)
-Based on talent, not politics, Favre would kill AR in a QB competition as they were saying that it is only phrased as such to appease Arod, but Favre will be the starting QB for sure.
-Both Wiley and Golic as NFL vets said it's sick that it came to this, but is totally a power trip from TT, but regardless as vets they say the players will want Favre to win as they know he's the far superior talent.
-Lots more stuff, maybe they replay it all day as normal, but hellaciously entertaining. I was laughing my ass off.

I don't give a flying fuck what players/former players have to say about this. PLAYERS ARE NOT GM'S. They should keep thier fucking mouths shut.

TT played for quite awhile in this league....

[sharpe1027]

So if Favre had not retired... Rodgers would have zero complaint of backing up Favre again? but since Favre did, he now has the right to be bitter?... doesnt make sense... rodgers hasn't done squat in this league to be entitled to anything.. IMO there already shoulda been a competition, Rodgers vs Brohm vs Flynn

No doubt....WOW...anyone check out Sportcenter around 12:30 CST today, they did a 15 min. roundtable discussion with Marcellus Wiley and Mike Golic. Wow, did they toast Arod and TT. Here's a summary (don't flame me, it's their comments):

-TT has a massive ego, and they couldn't believe Murphy's comments about having to redo everything (Golic: It was 3 months, damn)
-Packers had a sub 40% winning % in 1972-1991 before Favre, then a 64% clip since 1992 when Favre took over (best in all the NFL)
-Based on talent, not politics, Favre would kill AR in a QB competition as they were saying that it is only phrased as such to appease Arod, but Favre will be the starting QB for sure.
-Both Wiley and Golic as NFL vets said it's sick that it came to this, but is totally a power trip from TT, but regardless as vets they say the players will want Favre to win as they know he's the far superior talent.
-Lots more stuff, maybe they replay it all day as normal, but hellaciously entertaining. I was laughing my ass off.

Where does the "ego" come from? Media speculation. Ask anyone to explain why they believe he has an ego and you get silence or a lot of hemming and hawing, but nothing to support their belief.

[Gunakor]

So if Favre had not retired... Rodgers would have zero complaint of backing up Favre again? but since Favre did, he now has the right to be bitter?... doesnt make sense... rodgers hasn't done squat in this league to be entitled to anything.. IMO there already shoulda been a competition, Rodgers vs Brohm vs Flynn

No doubt....WOW...anyone check out Sportcenter around 12:30 CST today, they did a 15 min. roundtable discussion with Marcellus Wiley and Mike Golic. Wow, did they toast Arod and TT. Here's a summary (don't flame me, it's their comments):

-TT has a massive ego, and they couldn't believe Murphy's comments about having to redo everything (Golic: It was 3 months, damn)
-Packers had a sub 40% winning % in 1972-1991 before Favre, then a 64% clip since 1992 when Favre took over (best in all the NFL)
-Based on talent, not politics, Favre would kill AR in a QB competition as they were saying that it is only phrased as such to appease Arod, but Favre will be the starting QB for sure.
-Both Wiley and Golic as NFL vets said it's sick that it came to this, but is totally a power trip from TT, but regardless as vets they say the players will want Favre to win as they know he's the far superior talent.
-Lots more stuff, maybe they replay it all day as normal, but hellaciously entertaining. I was laughing my ass off.

I don't give a flying fuck what players/former players have to say about this. PLAYERS ARE NOT GM'S. They should keep thier fucking mouths shut.

TT played for quite awhile in this league....

Ya he did. He also became a GM. That means he understands the business side of this league, while mere players such as Golic and Wiley do not. TT is a businessman, and is running this team quite well. Golic and Wiley are emotionally driven media assholes, and would run this team into the ground. Like I said, they should shut the hell up.