Jags installs cut blocking....

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KY,

I am most certainly not pissing and moaning. I couldn't care less as to what scheme they run. I think this is cheap though. The same way I thought it was cheap when we were cut in the super bowl. I am merely pointing out the hypocrisy in switching sides and saying its perfectly acceptable and not cheap now that we're the team doing it

[pbmax]

Didn't wisconsin play alot of stretch zone under alvarez?

That's an excellent question b_oliver and it illustrates why ZBS is different than zone blocking assignments.

Wisconsin not only ran/runs the stretch, it also cuts, reaches and one other block that is below the waist that I can't remember. They also can determine blocking assignments with a zone scheme. But they don't cut block like the Gophers/Broncos. And unlike the Gophers, they don't practice cut blocks.

When Wisconsin cuts, it the man who is blocking you that cuts, not someone from the other side of the formation. Even if its a guard moving to the second level to find the LB, its the guard from the same side of the formation.

It is therefore not usually from behind. They also cut on misdirection, esp. QB boots, to take out pursuit. But again, the pursuit comes after the change in direction and its the DE who is moving, and he runs face first into his original blocker (O tackle). So he can see what is coming, if his head is on a swivel.

The Gophers cut the pursuit and depending on the front, they cut the onside DT. As KY explained, often, not always, te cut comes after moving across the formation from a blocker who was not head on you and you can't see.

So it gets dicey to label it. The difference is in the timing, the number of cut blocks and the direction they come from. Also the number that occur to the LBs.

[pbmax]

Does anyone remember that the Broncos OLine wouldn't talk to the media during their Super Bowl years? Zimmerman, Schlereth, Tony Jones?

It was at the urging of Alex Gibbs, their O Line coach. Wonder if the questions we are asking here were the reason they held their tongue?

And also remember Bob McKittrick? I think he was OLine coach for the 49ers. He also taught cut blocks and some players hated him like some today hate John Teerlinck for teaching DLines to hurt QBs

I don't remember what plays the 49ers used it on, but Holmgren had Lovat teach the cut to the Packer tackles so they could run the screen past DEs.

[ND72]

I've wrote this in other places, but why is everyone complaining about cut blocks? It's LEGAL! it's legal in college, and it's legal in the pro's. Even under Sherman our lineman did cut a lot of players. In fact on ALL run plays to the LEFT, Tauscher's main responsibility last year was to cut the back side DT because sherman always pulled the guard. I know I'm too much of an OL guy, and I see this stuff...but wow. There is nothing cheap or dirty about cut blocking. And any defensive lineman will tell you the same thing. They can get away with darn near murder vs. the OL guy,but nobody complains or anything about that. It's Legal...period.

[Deputy Nutz]

I am with you. I love the cut block, it is the great equalizer. It keeps defensive linemen honest, they just can't blow gaps at 100 miles an hour.

That being said, I think you have to be a real piece of dog shit to cut a guy in the back of the legs, most likely because he beat you off the line and your ass was too slow.

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legal yes. I just think its ironic how we're all throwing shoes at our TVs screaming when it happens to us, but now that we're doing it its totally legal and acceptable!!

[Tarlam!]

It saddens me that my beloved team will be instructed to use plays that are designed to injure opponents. It saddens me even more that the NFL allows careers to be interrupted, cut short in some cases, knowingly.

This is a sad day for sports fans.

[Harlan Huckleby]

That being said, I think you have to be a real piece of dog shit to cut a guy in the back of the legs, most likely because he beat you off the line and your ass was too slow.

Somebody posted that this block is illegal, that rule was changed back in '98.

But announcers continue to say it is legal 3 yards from line of scrimmage.

I don't know.

[ND72]

In the what is known as the "blocking zone" a lineman can block a player in anyway he wants. the BLOCKING ZONE is from 2 yards outside the Offensive tackle, both sides, 3 yards deep on either side of the line of scrimmage. A cut block is legal anywhere on the field. Driver cuts players all the time. Favre cuts players. Tauscher has cut players in every game he's ever played in.

I'm sorry but this isn't a "cheap" blocking scheme or anythign like that. It's ran my 67 of the 119 D-1A colleges, and is becoming bigger in the NFL.

[ND72]

It saddens me that my beloved team will be instructed to use plays that are designed to injure opponents. It saddens me even more that the NFL allows careers to be interrupted, cut short in some cases, knowingly.

This is a sad day for sports fans.

The plays are NOT instructed to hurt players. I don't know where you are getting this garbage from. Wisconsin has been running this same running scheme for 20 years, have you been crying about them?

[Rastak]

It saddens me that my beloved team will be instructed to use plays that are designed to injure opponents. It saddens me even more that the NFL allows careers to be interrupted, cut short in some cases, knowingly.

This is a sad day for sports fans.

The plays are NOT instructed to hurt players. I don't know where you are getting this garbage from. Wisconsin has been running this same running scheme for 20 years, have you been crying about them?

ND72, you seem very knowledgable. I read in a JSO article (I think that's where it was) that the Packers will not practice this block against their own players. If it's a totally normal and safe thing, why would this be?

[ND72]

They also don't practice full tackling vs. their own team....

[Rastak]

They also don't practice full tackling vs. their own team....

Not sure that's true, the guy with the red shirt doesn't get hit I will admit.
You certainly don't try and kill your teammates with huge hits..but are you saying there is no blocking in practice....the article I saw mentioned only this type of block as banned.

[CaptainKickass]

Two things:

1. Football is a violent sport. People will get injured regardless of techniques used. Unless you want to change the acronym "NFL" to stand for "National Flagfootball League" get over it.

2. At the risk of being redundant - What are the penalties for illegal cut/chop blocking specifically for the Offensive Line??

[pbmax]

In the what is known as the "blocking zone" a lineman can block a player in anyway he wants. the BLOCKING ZONE is from 2 yards outside the Offensive tackle, both sides, 3 yards deep on either side of the line of scrimmage. A cut block is legal anywhere on the field. Driver cuts players all the time. Favre cuts players. Tauscher has cut players in every game he's ever played in.

I'm sorry but this isn't a "cheap" blocking scheme or anythign like that. It's ran my 67 of the 119 D-1A colleges, and is becoming bigger in the NFL.

ND, is blocking in the legs from behind legal in the blocking zone? That's the question I still have. I am thinking about the Erik Williams block on John Jurkovich in Dallas.

And if I am not mistaken, you cannot crack back on an interior player from the outside into his legs, although this is not exactly a cut block, as its a crack back. And I believe you are also prevented from a hit to the legs if the defender is engaged with another blocker.

In other news, it was news to me in Rosiak's article that Gibbs developed the cut block in Denver inthe 90s. Hasn't this block been around since forever? Or is Alex Gibbs 120 years old?