Packers, Favre likely to split

[Patler]

Re: Packers, Favre likely to split

What about the fact that he didn't try to force his way into camp immediately and KINDLY accepted Thompson's request to put it off?

Or what about KINDLY accepting the commissioner bending over backwards for the team in terms of waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting to reinstate Favre after he had turned in his paperwork?

I think Favre has been very respectful of the team in recent weeks, and has gone out of his way to limit distractions.

Force his way into camp? Before he was reinstated? I would accept that as cooperation if he agreed to delay coming after he was eligible to be in camp. The fact is, he came the instant he was eligible, with no delay. He actually came up earlier than that, so that he was in GB the instant he was put on the roster.

Personally, in my opinion, flying up during the Family night activities was a blatant attempt to upstage the Packers. He could have called the Packers and said he was flying up Monday morning, and I'm sure the Packers would have accepted that.

[cpk1994]

Yes. Maybe McCarthy has a spine after all. We'll see.

Yeah someone is gonna look pretty foolish after their cuss filled rant towards TT and MM if they stand their ground..

I won't feel foolish.

[MOBB DEEP]

Re: Packers, Favre likely to split

What about the fact that he didn't try to force his way into camp immediately and KINDLY accepted Thompson's request to put it off?

Or what about KINDLY accepting the commissioner bending over backwards for the team in terms of waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting to reinstate Favre after he had turned in his paperwork?

I think Favre has been very respectful of the team in recent weeks, and has gone out of his way to limit distractions.

Force his way into camp? Before he was reinstated? I would accept that as cooperation if he agreed to delay coming after he was eligible to be in camp. The fact is, he came the instant he was eligible, with no delay. He actually came up earlier than that, so that he was in GB the instant he was put on the roster.

Personally, in my opinion, flying up during the Family night activities was a blatant attempt to upstage the Packers. He could have called the Packers and said he was flying up Monday morning, and I'm sure the Packers would have accepted that.

i agree wit fam night statement

[Patler]

Re: Packers, Favre likely to split

Again, I'm not saying he has to ACCEPT whatever the Packers line up, but to refuse to talk to the few interested teams, and to refuse to provide alternatives is totally uncooperative.

Well, you can argue that Green Bay is totally uncooperative by not allowing Favre back to compete for the job. Favre has a contract with the team, and by all accounts is just as good a QB as Rodgers.

The point is that both sides have RIGHTS to do certain things...and NEITHER side is handling this in a way that will bring quick closure. I object to how you make it so one sided against Favre.

Well of course there is blame on both sides, I'm not debating who is at fault, or who is most at fault. You are reading much, much more into a simple statement on my part than is there. I simply juxtaposed Favre's apparent statements with his apparent actions (or inactions) and formed the opinion they are inconsistent. Nothing more than that. Why does that bother you so much?

[The Leaper]

Re: Packers, Favre likely to split

Force his way into camp? Before he was reinstated?

No, no. From what I've read, Thompson requested Favre to delay turning in his papers...and Favre cooperated.

Personally, in my opinion, flying up during the Family night activities was a blatant attempt to upstage the Packers.

You are nuts. The guy had his plane warming up on the tarmac numerous times in the past week, but the commissioner kept delaying and delaying and delaying. As Favre said, if he is going to play in 2008, he needs to get into camp PRONTO.

Favre was itching to get into Green Bay. If anything, it was the Packers fault for delaying this as long as possible...hoping Favre would just choose retirement for good (including raising the stakes with their "marketing" deal, which went up from $10M to $20M to $25M reportedly) so this would all go away without them having to actually DO anything.

[motife]

If there is anyone in the Packer's organization who can "keep it real" it's Mike McCarthy. There are few people who are more bluntly bottom line rational than him. He brings stunning clarity and masterful orgnanization to every task which is particularly amazing in that he's so young.

Favre on the other hand is the direct opposite. He is incredibly immature.

[cpk1994]

Re: Packers, Favre likely to split

Force his way into camp? Before he was reinstated?

No, no. From what I've read, Thompson requested Favre to delay turning in his papers...and Favre cooperated.

Personally, in my opinion, flying up during the Family night activities was a blatant attempt to upstage the Packers.

You are nuts. The guy had his plane warming up on the tarmac numerous times in the past week, but the commissioner kept delaying and delaying and delaying. As Favre said, if he is going to play in 2008, he needs to get into camp PRONTO.

Favre was itching to get into Green Bay. If anything, it was the Packers fault for delaying this as long as possible...hoping Favre would just choose retirement for good (including raising the stakes with their "marketing" deal, which went up from $10M to $20M to $25M reportedly) so this would all go away without them having to actually DO anything.

BUt he couldn't start in camp until Monday anyway. NO reason to fly up in the middle of Family Night. I agree with Patlar. That was a blatant attempt to upstage the Packers and anyone who thinks oitherwise is s Favre sycophant.

[The Leaper]

Re: Packers, Favre likely to split

BUt he couldn't start in camp until Monday anyway. NO reason to fly up in the middle of Family Night. I agree with Patlar. That was a blatant attempt to upstage the Packers and anyone who thinks oitherwise is s Favre sycophant.

Yeah, I'm sure Favre was the one who called for the helicopter to trail him to his house.



The guy flew up to Green Bay, got into an Escalade, and drove to a house. How the hell is that a "blantant attempt" to upstage anything?

Some of you really are reaching for straws.

[Patler]

Re: Packers, Favre likely to split

The guy flew up to Green Bay, got into an Escalade, and drove to a house. How the hell is that a "blantant attempt" to upstage anything?

Some of you really are reaching for straws.

Sure....and he had no idea that by doing so the media would be there to see him arrive, report on it during the telecast of the scrimmage, and immediately ask about it after the scrimmage was done. The night should have been about the team. By coming to Green Bay during the activities, he ensured that the evening would be as much about him as about the team.

I think you are being a bit naive if you don't see that.

[Ballboy]

I'm not so sure Glazer knows what he is talking about here.

Clayton reported the direct opposite of this and thought that Brett maybe the starter on opening day.

OF course Clayton would say that. He works for FavreSPN. They spin everything in Favre's favor.

Oh yeah, I forgot...your a media guru and can read into everything that people are doing, just like we are all GM's around here.....RIGHT?

[cpk1994]

I'm not so sure Glazer knows what he is talking about here.

Clayton reported the direct opposite of this and thought that Brett maybe the starter on opening day.

Of course Clayton would say that. He works for FavreSPN. They spin everything in Favre's favor.

Oh yeah, I forgot...your a media guru and can read into everything that people are doing, just like we are all GM's around here.....RIGHT?

You obviously haven't been following ESPN or visiting their website the last 2 months have you? Their next article siding with TT and the Packers will be their first.

[The Leaper]

Re: Packers, Favre likely to split

I think you are being a bit naive if you don't see that.

It wasn't like he held a news conference or anything.

Seriously, Patler. What did he do to attract attention? He got off a plane, waved a couple times, and left.

If that was his ploy to take all the attention away from "Family Night", then he failed. He could've hung out of his box and waved to the crowd DURING the event if he really wanted to be a nuisance. However, he wasn't anywhere to be seen...although Deanna was.

[cpk1994]

Re: Packers, Favre likely to split

The guy flew up to Green Bay, got into an Escalade, and drove to a house. How the hell is that a "blantant attempt" to upstage anything?

Some of you really are reaching for straws.

Sure....and he had no idea that by doing so the media would be there to see him arrive, report on it during the telecast of the scrimmage, and immediately ask about it after the scrimmage was done. The night should have been about the team. By coming to Green Bay during the activities, he ensured that the evening would be as much about him as about the team.

I think you are being a bit naive if you don't see that.

Not to mention the 3 other times the media was waiting for him at the airport and tracking all the flights.

[AtownPackFan]

Why all the fuss? I have read nothing from the Packers or Favre relating to lat night meeting.

The talked for 5 hours, then they got in their vehicles and drove away.

From that reporters have gathered a trade is in the works, Favre has demanded there not be open competition, McCarthy doesn't want Favre around.........

Let's through every possible situation on the wall and we will be right. Then for the next lifetime we can say we knew what was going on in that meeting and everyone will think we are geniuses.

How about wait until you can report some facts instead of opinions?

[Fritz]

Re: Packers, Favre likely to split

I think Favre still wants to play for Green Bay...and was hoping the team would eventually come around. I have no idea how someone can characterize Favre has "not really meaning it" when they have no real clue what has been said in private discussions.

Favre probably doesn't really want to go play for Tampa or the Jets. I don't think he really wants to go play for the Vikings either, despite what some of the yahoos here seem to think.

He wants to play football. He would like to play in Green Bay. Green Bay doesn't want him. After 16 seasons, he's having a difficult time reconciling that. I would too.

I also think you are overestimating the impact this has had on the team. It probably has weighed on Rodgers...but he's going to have alot weighing on him this season regardless. The rest of the team? It's out of their control...and they have more important things to worry about, like getting themselves ready for the season.

I think it is much more of a distraction for the fans than it is the players.

I didn't say it has affected the team. In fact, I agree that to now this probably has affected the fans more than the players; however, eventually that will change. The constant distractions, mixed feelings about Favre, MM, TT, etc. will impact the team. It has to if this goes on and on.

My point was this: he says he doesn't want to affect the team, but his actions (or inactions) show that he really doesn't care what the impact is on the team. That does not rely on what he has said in private converstation. It is based on his reported actions or inactions. If reports are true (and it is all we have to form our opinions on) Favre has been totally uncooperative in the Packers attempts to trade him. Again, I'm not saying he has to ACCEPT whatever the Packers line up, but to refuse to talk to the few interested teams, and to refuse to provide alternatives is totally uncooperative. That simply prolongs the whole thing, and the longer it goes on, the more likely of an adverse effect on the team.

Finally, if we are allowed to express opinions on here only if we have access to all the inside info, then we can discuss nothing. We certainly can not discuss the players' performances, game situations and the like because not only do we not have access to the players, we have no information about the playbook, players assignments, etc. We might as well shut the board down.

This may be true of most posters, Patler, but I happen to have an amazing ability to discern the truth instantly, with very little if any inside information. For example, I can watch a broken running play for a loss of three from my living room and immediately know whose fault it is. I don't even need to see the replay! Additionally, as a keen student of human nature (and psychic), I know who's right and wrong in the whole Brett Favre retirement fiasco.

You're wrong Patler. Fritz knows all!